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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 26 2012 2:10 p.m. MST

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Osgrath
Provo, UT

Inquiring minds want to know. Parkite1, please explain how anyone short of Thomas S. Monson is going to talk Andy Reid into accepting a college OC or even HC position, especially one located in Provo. There’s that old song from the 20s, “How You Gonna Keep ‘Em Down on the Farm, After They’ve Seen Paree.” Reid is a successful NFL coach. He can write his own ticket for any situation he wants.

Also, please explain how Holmoe is to “bring in” Detmer. Is he supposed to send out a hit squad to abduct Ty and somehow create an indenture situation that compels him to coach here rather than in San Antonio, where he has his ranch, hunting preserve, family, and just about everything that is important to him? I have never heard of Ty expressing any interest in the job whatsoever. How do you “bring in” someone who is not willing to come?

Lest you call me a BYU hater, let me remind you I have had season tickets since I returned to Provo (where I was raised) in 1985. I attended games for 25 years before that.

Osgrath
Provo, UT

Inquiring minds want to know. Parkite1, please explain how anyone short of Thomas S. Monson is going to talk Andy Reid into accepting a college OC or even HC position, especially one located in Provo. There’s that old song from the 20s, “How You Gonna Keep ‘Em Down on the Farm, After They’ve Seen Paree.” Reid is a successful NFL coach. He can write his own ticket for any situation he wants.

Also, please explain how Holmoe is to “bring in” Detmer. Is he supposed to send out a hit squad to abduct Ty and somehow create an indenture situation that compels him to coach here rather than in San Antonio, where he has his ranch, hunting preserve, family, and just about everything that is important to him? I have never heard of Ty expressing any interest in the job whatsoever. How do you “bring in” someone who is not willing to come?

Lest you call me a BYU hater, let me remind you I have had season tickets since I returned to Provo (where I was raised) in 1985. I attended games for 25 years before that.

Osgrath
Provo, UT

Finally, what sources tell you that Gary Anderson would have considered the BYU position? First of all, let’s compare: Wisconsin - BYU. Compensation: millions vs. 100s of thousand; recruiting: Big 10 vs. ????; bowl tie-in: Rose Bowl vs. Poinsettia bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger or Armed-Forces Bowl.

I have been an avid BYU fan for 55 years, but I know our limitations. If we expect to be a continual top-10 team with the honor code and geographic location, we are living in a fool’s paradise. If Gary Anderson can make $2 million dollars a year, he sets himself and family up for life before the contract runs out, regardless of success level. He passed up Colorado and Cal, not because of the money but because of the program potential. Do you really think he would trade one “low-paying” position for another with the added burden of unrealistic fan expectations in Provo?

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

WACPaddled

Being invited to a "real" conference doesn't mean much when you finished winless in the WAC.

Call us when you finally beat a decent team in your new conference.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Jealous U said:

"WACPaddled

Being invited to a "real" conference doesn't mean much when you finished winless in the WAC.

Call us when you finally beat a decent team in your new conference."

No matter who you schedule as an independent, BYU will struggle as usual to beat ranked teams. Look at the bright side though, Idaho and New Mex State are your new band of independent brothers!

Call us when you get into a "real" conference.

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

I wish fellow BYU fans would stop talking about what could have been. We were not 12-1 and we were not 13-0. BYU was 8-5. Some out there need to find a new hobby or stop following football all together. They take it way to seriously.

Settle down and enjoy a bowl of green jello while watching Brady Bunch tonight.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

upinthenight

BYU beat Top 25 Utah State THIS YEAR!

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NO conference championships for U

Call us when U finally beat a conference foe with a winning record. It's laughable that you're so embarrassed to be associated with the U, that you pretend to be a BYU fan.

Enjoy the couch potato bowl along with the other teams who were so pitiful that they couldn't even qualify for a bowl.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Go get em' phoenix!
USU was not ranked then. But at least BYU lost to the other ranked teams on their schedule!

And as usual, BYU fans like yourself are satisfied with just a mediocre bowl game. Nothing more like a better record or better bowl game.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Phx:

Although they played fewer doormats in order to qualify for a bowl, Utah also beat a Top 25 team THIS YEAR.

Unfortunately for that team, they SANK FROM SIGHT. But their fans are now providing endless entertainment by demonstrating their infamous "holier-than-thou" attitude with each other.

Wireless Lawyer
Lehi, UT

BYU football, like any popular endeavor, is going to have fans of all stripes--optimists, pessimists, rational, irrational, placid, hostile, stay-the-course, burn it all down and start over--it's the nature of the beast.

It's a good thing that the tent is large enough to cover them all. We don't have to agree on how best to build a great program, but we should agree on the goal--a winning program achieved within the unique charter of BYU (including the Honor Code). The rest is just noise--and better to try to find the entertainment value in different opinions rather than taking them to heart.

Good players, coaches and admninistrators don't spend time listening to fan chatter. They are successful because the have a plan, are focused on executing it and can't be defocused by fan chatter. I don't think Cody Hoffman spent much time lamenting mediocre QB play, otherwise he wouldn't have done the work required to catch 100+ passes.

Fans will vent, SJ, it's what they do. Take comfort in the fact that the better the program, the less likely anyone who matters will pay attention to such chatter.

Winglish
Lehi, UT

As to the Doman remarks- What makes the author confident that hiring Doman was either the Christian thing to do, or even correct on just a football level? Robert Anae had five consecutive 10-win seasons prior to his being "demoted". He had sent the previous two quarterbacks to the NFL and just had his freshman QB (Heaps) named to the Freshman All-American Team. So the decision to replace Anae was made, why?
Criticism is fair when it is warranted, Mr. Anderson. The Doman hire had nothing to do with football. That much is obvious.

kaysvillecougar
KAYSVILLE, UT

As a BYU grad and one of the best flag football players to grace the green fields of Provo(I kid), I've got to agree with this article. This season has been frustrating in many ways, but it's been really uncomfortable to see how seriously many fans take their cougar sports. Don't get me wrong. I watch every football game and almost every basketball game available, but it's embarrassing to see how enraged and over-the-top some fans behave. I'm sure this has been frustrating to the players and coaches as well. I don't think it's bad to criticise, but the personal attacks on players and coaches concerning their character, honesty, etc. is really disappointing. I'd like to congratulate the fantasic players and coaches at BYU for their success this year and I always hope they have an even better year next year. But wheather they do or not, I've realized there are so many more important things in life that we have some controll over. I'm afraid some feel like their angry posts or screaming at the TV will somehow change the situation. Hope and joy for 2013!

Willie deG
CALGARY, 00

In the field of human endeavour (so I am Canadian Hate me)there so many variables in play that we cannot expect perfect behaviour or outcomes especially when it comes to physical sports. How many times have we seen a powerhouse team get totally whacked by a "loser" team. When you go golfing you can birdie a hole one time and bogey it another time. So it is we need to be more forgiving of others decisions and actions. Some have said that another quarterback should have been used. Could you or would you guarantee that there would have been a better result. Now I am assuming that none of you are translated individuals(snicker snicker)so get a grip on yourselves and enjoy the game, realizing that feces do occur.

allblue
Bountiful, UT

I agree with other posters who believe that Bronco needs to be a coach to ALL team members, not just the select defensive stars or "pet" players. How would you feel as an offensive player, outside of Riley Nelson, if you had a head coach that was lackadaisical, a best, toward your position of play? Bronco has himself to blame for fans being critical of the offense…they are just mirroring his lack of confidence and commitment to the offensive staff and players.

GD
Syracuse, UT

I agree with you Mr. Anderson. I do think something needs changing in our offense and I hope they figure it out. I for one really dislike the option that we've started running. The success of that one play has been very predicable. Mostly for a loss.
We'd all like BYU to be undefeated or one loss, but be realistic. It's going to be more difficult as we move into more difficult schedules. I worry about our depth and our talent level. These kids play their hearts out and usually play above what would be expected in my opinion, which is just that, my opinion.
Gary

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

JohnInSLC

At least THAT team managed to win another bowl game, unlike that sorry sack of couch potatoes on the hill.

sammyg
Springville, UT

WAC (USU) paddled my Utes

Bitter words from a poor Ute fan that didn't have a bowl game (sniff sniff) for his team.

Most honest Ute fans readily admit they would have liked to have seen their team in a bowl game... any bowl game... but not you.

Nope... Utes play in the Rose Bowl or some 'meaningful' bowl game, or not at all, especially not some 'mediocre bowl game'. Utes would rather stay at home.

Well enjoy it because that's exactly what's going to happen for a while, probably a little more regularly I'm guessing.

Was it tough watching Arizona play in the New Mexico Bowl? I'm sure it was. LOL

Bitter and jealous U.

IdahoCoog
Malad City, ID

Amen to this article. Well said. 8-5 is a very respectable season most fans would die for... but as many 'true blue' fans have said, the current crop of BYU fairweather fans are woefully shortsighted. Those 'fans' that couldn't care less deserve not seeing the greatest defense in BYU history, KVN, Ogletree, Ansah, and Hoffman perhaps for the last time in the blue and white. These are really great players, whi were fun to watch, and those 'fans' who couldn't care less are not real fans.. only supporting the team when they do everything 'their' way. That is not a real fan. A real fan attends all games he can, or watches intently on tv, or listens closely on the radio. I remember listening to games through tons of static on my radio, when I could only get every third word or so... and my father had his ear held closely to the other side of the radio.

IdahoCoog
Malad City, ID

Fairweather fans who do not support their team always... hurt their team always! The perception that BYU has a following was severely damaged by 'fans' who supposed they were sending some kind of 'statement.' The statement they sent, BYU does not have a consistent fan base to fill a bowl's seats... National footprint ... they didn't see it! BYU's graded on what 'they' saw. They learned BYU's fans don't watch on tv in sufficient numbers ... don't blame it on SDSU. TV ratings show BYU brought in 35% less ratings than the SDSU-Navy game two years ago. BYU FAILED! Even the USU-Toledo bowl had a better showing fan-wise than BYU. Don't you really know BYU's bowl future's determined by hineys in the seats! Don't you really know recruiting will suffer???

IdahoCoog
Malad City, ID

BYU's fight song says something about being there through rain or snow, and nothing will keep you from being a fan... nothing! Not the coach, not the QB, not shopping or doing yard work ... NOTHING!' I've been a fan when losing records against so-so teams was Normal, when I knew we had no chance of winning. BYU is now on the verge of being an elite team, but you fairweather fans are going to ruin it with petty whining and demanding indifference.

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