Attila the Hun, Many folks here continue to comment about failed coaching and
playing an injured quarterback and this is the reason for 4 of BYUs losses this
year. But what was the better option. Did you all want to see Lark play in
all of those games. Lark played two games, one against the worst defense in the
country and admittedly he played well. The second game was in the bowl game (a
good defense) and he played awful. Had it not been for the defense, this game
would have also been a loss since they scored 17 of BYUs points in the game.
Riley was the best option at quarterback all year and truly gave us the best
chance to win. It was very unlucky that he was mostly injured and that Taysom
Hill also went down with an injury. Remember, Riley Nelson was the quarterback
that got us one of those 10 win seasons just a year ago and had he been
healthier, it would have happened again this year. Lark was not the solution to
the problem, you are just looking at the green grass on the other side of the
You obviously have no idea what the move to independence was all about. It was
about exposure and opportunity, both of which are being squandered.Pro sports insiders with access to ESPN executives indicate the network is NOT
happy with BYU's on field performance. Also note how few people watched or
went to the Poinsettia Bowl. But you, on your high and mighty pulpit, lecture
BYU fans about loyalty? What about some loyalty in return? What about Tom Holmoe
stepping up and saying, "Time for a change?" You demand loyalty from a
fan base that is being humiliated and spoken to like they are morons. As if fans
can't tell the difference between a "winning record," and a
"winning record against teams with a winning record."I'm also sick of hearing ESPN commentators expose the stupidity of BYU
offensive play calling. But, we knew we had a grade school level coaching
mentality when we saw an every-other-series QB rotation during the entitled
Freshman debacle. And don't lecture about how to spend or
donate my money. Go ahead, keep contributing. As for me, I'm holding my
donor dollars in reserve.
@ Cougarista 3:05 p.m. Dec. 26, 2012"At the Poinsettia Bowl a
"loyal" BYU fan behind me was so obnoxious in his criticism of the
coaching staff that I thought he was an SDSU fan. He had lost perspective,
it's only a game."Agreed. I like to look at sports (all
levels) as entertainment first and foremost. Its an escape, way to decompress,
Mr. Anderson,Well spoken. I applaud your decision to stand up and support
BYU, the football team, and the coaches. It is good to remember that many of us
fail to reach our goals and expectations. We should expect the best from people,
then except that all of us fail at some point and even make a few mistakes along
the way. I am very proud of the football teams success, especially when you
consider Bronco has stated that football is his number five priority and faith
is number one. Congratulations on a fine season and I look forward to greater
success next year.
S.J. Anderson,I am very impressed with what a wonderful and
qualified person you tell us you are.I am one of those horrible fans
that is never satisified. If we when 11 games in a season and all
of them are against ranked BCS teams, and we lose to only one of those 12 teams,
due to a bad call, or some other bad decision, I will be upset about that bad
call or that bad decision, that may have kept us from playing for a national
championship.Some of us show our support by accepting all that
happens good or bad, right or wrong, stupid or intelligent, while others of us
support our team by constantly wanting them to be all that they are capable of
being. In my opinion, both types of supporters are good. If all supporters
were only one way or the other, as described above in this paragraph, that in my
opinion, would not be as good.
I would guess this guy is home smiling at the responses. You all pretty much
proved him right.
"Fair weather fans" doesn't begin to desribe some of those who have
commented. I have a hard time understanding how some of these people would even
be considered fans, when they seemingly did not enjoy a bowl win because more
points were scored by the defense than the offense. And the
criticisms of Bronco Mendenhall have gone beyond anything rational. Has he made
some mistakes? Yes. But four bowl wins in a row is a pretty good
sccomplishment and somthing I never thought I would see at BYU. And to say his
decisions wasted a great defense is to ignore the fact that he was largely
responsible for the great defense. Also, they forget what 2002-2004 was like
for BYU football and how Bronco revitalized BYU football.I
don't beleive the term "fans" should be used to describe those that
can't see any success through their crticisms.
The decision to play a hurt starter over a healthy, competent back-up most often
hurts, and is thus unfair, to the performance of the team. 90% of the time, the
healthy player will be the better choice, so in the case of this year, I just
think Riley, and possibly the Coach, were not doing what was best for the team
by his playing hurt, and the consequence was disastrous. Good thing is, the
players still got to play, even excel on the field, and perhaps that is what it
is all about...easy to understand the frustration at BYU of always being good,
almost never GREAT. Maybe we just don't have the right motivation or
temperament for ultimate success, as in final 4 basketball, or championship
This editorial makes it feel like going to a sporting venue is supposed to be
like going to sacrament meeting and I'm suppose to sit quietly with my arms
folded and support the coaches no matter what. I'm a loyal BYU fan, but
please allow me to play Monday morning QB and second guess the coaches and their
calls. I realize I'm not an expert, and I concede that Bronco knows the
players a lot better than me. But when Bronco went for two against BSU, and I
wouldn't have; let me express my opinion and don't lecture me like
I'm apostatizing from the church. Going 8-5 does not rattle my loyalty,
but let me express my opinions about the lack of offensive fire power and the
need for change. I'm not asking for Doman to be fired, but can't I
express my opinion that running Hill 19 times in one game is not BYU football,
and the mis-signal that sent Hill into needlessly ending his season represents
poor communication that needs to be improved without being accused of being
Amen, Mr. Anderson. It seems only those who have played and coached at higher
levels really understand just how good the football coaches at BYU have been in
Mendenhall's era. I don't get to attend football games very often
since I live and coach in Colorado since leaving BYU, but the one game I did
attend, it was all I could do to not turn around and say something to the idiots
who were berating Max Hall (one of the best quarterbacks BYU has ever had). I guess it is just the nature of our society that those who can't
play the game can sit on the outside and constantly criticize those who do. As
a high school athletic director now, I get to listen to a few idiot fans from
time to time who always think they can do a better job than the coaches. I
can't imagine what Holmoe must go through listening to all the idiots that
probably try to contact him on a daily basis. Hopefully he has learned to let
most of it go through one ear and out the other because that is what most of the
Huh - older article but still...If this is what keeps you up at night...Must be
a great life!Go Cougars!
While it is admirable that Mr. Andersen is defending his friend Coach Weber, I
am sure Coach Weber as well as the rest of the coaching staff can take a little
criticism like big boys. It comes with the territory. Mr. Andersen
if you are OK with mediocrity, fine. I agree that BYU has done pretty well with
its narrow scope of recruiting. However, I can tell you that the coaches, the
players, and the vast majority of fans are NOT OK with mediocrity, especially
when they come so close to greatness, only to be washed away by some really bad
decisions. As a fan, I expect better from BYU football because I
have seen better (offenses). Although this year BYU exceeded expectations on
defense, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a better than average
offense, especially since they historically have had powerhouse offenses. So please get off the high horse about what a fair weather fan is--you
have no clue. Having high expectations does not make you a fair weather fan.I would agree that personal attacks should not be condoned. Criticism of
performance is one thing, but character attacks are out of line.
SJ: May I mention one piece you may have overlooked. Before the season began,
Bronco himself made mention privately to many people about how special this team
would likely be. I do not think he envisioned an 8-5 team, with the athletes he
had for the 2012 season, and losing five games. Nor, do I believe this
season's win/loss column even comes close to what his initial, as well as
on going expectations were. I don't know if he quietly envisioned the
possibility of going undefeated or not? The entire coaching staff knew they had
assembled one of the very best group of athletes ever at BYU, I believe better
than many past BYU teams that have lost 4 or 3 or 2 games during the season.
Granted, we played a tough schedule this year, and Bronco and the rest of
the coaching staff knew that going in, because he knew what he had in this BYU
team.I believe every fan who is disappointed in the outcome of this season
has a right to be. So allow the upset to occur. It is natural. But, watch our
sammygSpringville, UTWAC (USU) paddled my UtesWas it
tough watching Arizona play in the New Mexico Bowl? I'm sure it was. LOLBitter and jealous U.______________________________Yeah how about the New Mexico Bowl!Here are the viewer ratings
from some recent games.Idaho Potato Bowl 2.8New Mexico Bowl
2.6Poinsettia Bowl 2.2Lowest Poinsettia Bowl ratings since
2006.So much for BYUs supposed growing national fan base. More
people were interested in watching Utah State than BYU. LOL!
Fans are actually pretty smart. We show up to six home games every year, attend
a few away games, and we consider ourselves pretty football savvy, unlike
coaches who have the full time job of coaching the game and knowing their
players skill levels and abilities. I too get tired and frustruated with the
negative reaction from many fans as well. I believe we don't know how well
we've had it. Remember the Crowton years? I am amazed at how well BYU
does with a very liminted and narrow market from which to draw recruits. The
academic standards eliminate many talented kids, it's a religious school,
and the honor code is not for everyone, member or not. And yet our coaches do a
terrific job in getting kids to come to BYU. When you O-line is decimated,
QB's get hurt, passes are hurried, and running back performance is reduced.
How is that Weber's fault? We score two points at Boise and Bronco is
hailed a genius. Heaven forbid if we ever win a National
Championship--we'd call for heads every year for anything less than
perfection thereafter. We are truly spoiled.
Dear SJ Anderson,We can't settle for mediocrity. This season
was a huge disappointment losing to utah, sj state, boise state and ND when
having a simple change at starting QB would've fixed the problem. No way we
lose those games with Lark or Hill at QB. That's four wins that we are
suppose to not complain about? Really? You must be drinking the bronco/riley
nelson/doman kool-aid. We have a right to criticize this year's team,
especially the coaches for very poor decision-making that cost us at least 4
wins and the school millions of dollars as well as better exposure. SJ, you
simply don't get it and blindly following the coaching staff's
decisions without questioning them when they are dead wrong doesn't help
How do you spell l-a-m-e? No one has been more vocal than Coach Mendenhal
himself about the expecations for BYU football. I do not hear him making excuses
for why his team has not lived up those expectations. Many of us agree with the
coaches vision we're just not happy with his execution this past
"Do we not think the coaching staff has these same goals for each and every
season?" Of course they do NOT have the same goals each and
every season. They used to have the goal of a national championship -- now they
have the goal of converting a near-elite program into an internship for an
OC-wannabe. What kind of OC does BYU need to win an NC? Let's
benchmark that by looking at the OC when BYU did win it: Norm Chow. See the
difference? Does anyone truly believe that the road to a national
championship runs through a young coach with NO experience as an OC? Has any
other NC achieved that? If not, BYU's coaches' and AD's goal is
not the same as before. How did they explain that to the players
they recruited on the NC goal? How do they explain it to us fans?
This is not a matter of unlucky breaks among the O-line. It's
a matter of bad decisions among the team's top leadership.
There was this guy at Basic Training who thought he knew everything there was to
know about the Army because he was in JROTC. The guy was annoying. This letter
has that same 'feel' by needing to qualify their position saying they
have "Coached high School Football" and "I went to BYU and so did my
dog". This person is the opposite of all the people who are crying for
BC's firing. A letter to the letter writer: Let people have their opinion
and if their comments are 'appalling' to you, then DON'T READ
THEM. If they sit next to you at a game, tough, they paid for their ticket too.
You don't like it, don't go...but then you couldn't qualify as
'bleeding blue' if you don't have season tickets, right?
@AKfan"we fans are zero contributors and massive
beneficiaries"What reality does this comment come from? Who do
you think makes a big time D1 football program possible? Tell this to the
boosters who kick in big bucks every year or the folks who buy the season
tickets or choose among many entertainment options to tune in Cougar football
thereby inducing business to buy TV add time. Sure, they get to enjoy (suffer
through in some cases) a game or a broadcast for a few hours each weekend, but
"massive beneficiaries"?On the other hand, the athletes
receive scholarships valued at around a quarter million dollars a piece, a
college education and recognition and connections worth untold dollars for later
life. Coaches receive incomes that most of us can only dream about, so maybe a
little criticism and second guessing isn't such a hardship when you
Every coach and every player are competitors who hate to lose. That is the
nature of sports at the college and pro levels. These guys HATE to lose. I had a
roommate who was a semi-pro football player. He broke things when his team lost.
Nobody on that team is satisfied with the season we just had. None of the
coaches are satisfied. I'm not sure any of them should be fired, and
I'm positive that Bronco should NOT be fired. Statistically, he's the
best coach BYU has ever had.But I've been very critical of
playing an injured Riley Nelson. I don't understand it. How could they
overlook Lark? But coaches do this all the time. Nelson saved the season last
year. He deserved the starts before he got injured. I understand the
coaches' loyalty to Nelson. But Lark was overlooked, for whatever reason.
He should have been started in the Utah game. But hindsight is 20/20 and past is
past. Bronco is unlikely to make those mistakes again.
Respectfully I have to disagree with PGVikingDad. 3 years of sub-par outputs,
low-class Bowl invites and poor performances against top-tier teams (including
Utah), have worn thin on many of US who are loyal BYU fans. I like Bronco
personally--and do not think of him as arrogant or ignorant, but as calm in the
middle of a storm--however, I do question some of his recruiting, coaching
hires, play-calling, starting player choices & game-decisions, and he should
hold himself as accountable as he does others.I also agree with the
comment that truly loyal BYU fans, who are passionate about the schools ability
to accomplish its mission, are also going to be critical when the objectives are
not being met. Bronco did not start the season stating that he hoped to go 8-5
and win the Poinsetta Bowl; he, his coaching staff & players had MUCH HIGHER
expectations of themselves. While some individuals exceeded expectations (Van
Noy, Ansah, Taysom Hill), others fell well short (Nelson, Sorenson, Offensive
Line, Coaches Mendenhall & Doman), and it's time for change before
mediocrity sets in.Mediocrity will only serve to diminish recruiting
and deteriorate scheduling--and what loyal fan wants that!
Kyle Gunther on KFAN had an interesting comment on his radio program a while
back on BYU offensive linemen and their development and training. He said Matt
Reynolds was told, by NFL scouts, his technique was terrible. I found that
interesting in light of the poor performance of the offensive line.That said, injuries certainly played a part in the poor line play and lack of
consistency or cohesion in the O-line. But you can't ignore that comment
by NFL scouts.
So what's the problem of expecting better?? Bronco himself stated that our
only goal is to win a national championship. I like Bronco, he is a great coach
for the BYU atmosphere. Does Mr. Anderson think that BYU is the only school who
has fair weather fans? All schools expect the best and when it doesn't
happen, coaches and players will come into question. That's just the way it
is. Get over yourself. People just want to flap their mouths, so what, let them,
they pay for their tickets just as much as you do and have the right to voice
their opinions. It is just an opinion. I don't think Bronco or BYU makes
their decisions based on fans opinions. Go BYU.
There are many points in your letter Mr. Anderson that I can agree with, but
your blanket attack on passionate fans who just want to see their team play to
its potential is as unfair as the harsh criticism you claim comes from too many
"fair weather" fans.
The word fan comes from the word fanatic. A fanatic is defined as a person who
is overenthusiastic about a particular interest. It appears Mr. Anderson has a
problem with people who fit that definition and wear their fanaticism on their
sleeves at BYU games. Mr. Anderson reminds me of the many BYU fans I have sat
behind, next to, or in front of, who are quick to shoot a glaring stare if
anything other than praise for team is caught by their ever alert ears. These,
spectators (I won't use the word fans because I don't believe they fit
the definition) seem to be always grumpy and irritated by any disruption to what
they deem to be proper and permissable conduct at an athletic event.Criticism for the under-performance of this years BYU football team is
warranted and absolutely fair. Yes, Mr. Anderson, fans are generally not as
knowledgeable as coaches or players, but I too have played the game, coached the
game, and officiated the game and many other fans have done the same.
I read Mr. Anderson's letter with mixed emotions, and yes, it brings up
some fairly strong ones.On one side I see the need to look deeper
than just the end results when evaluating this BYU season, its players, and
coaches. I understand these are people who are trying to do their best to put
together a team that can be competitive at the top levels of college football. I
share the passionate desire of coach Mendenhall to see a BYU football team
compete for another national title and I believe he has done everything he can
to recruit the players needed to do so. I also understand the difficulty
inherent in the recruiting process at BYU. It isn't easy with missions and
a strict honor code prohibiting many excellent athletes from attending BYU.
There is no doubt in my mind, under coach Mendenhall, BYU has indeed improved
its overall talent level. The entire athletic dept. deserves a pat on the back
for its efforts to date.Now for the other side. (See next post)
Big to-do about nothing. Certain fans will always have a lack of working brain
cells and trying to call the shots about what coaches should do or should have
done will always make them feel a little smarter and a little more important.
The facts are easy to sort out-BYU struggled offensively and in a couple of
games defensively, but over all the defense saved a respectable season.
Whatever needs to be done offensively is the coach's and athletic
director's responsibility. It's just like everyone else who has a
job-do your job or find another one. I'm sure Mendenhall knows the
problems and will take action to improve the offense, whatever it might be. If
he doesn't, it's like any other job, no offense intended. BYU is a
great program and will continue to be a great program despite some of the fans.
So Mr. Anderson, I wouldn't really get too upset, it's just life, and
the suspect parts of it, you are best advised to ignore-they won't go away.
My oldest son (a BYU grad and a sports fanatic) concluded after the victory over
San Diego State on Dec. 21 that Bronco would rather win a game because of
"his" defense than to have his offense put on a show. The evidence this
year seems to agree with that assessment. But blame the BYU fans? Ridiculous!
Bronco and Doman are responsible for this offensive mess. I think Bronco is a
good man and a great defensive coordinator who needs to humble himself, admit
mistakes, swallow his pride, and make whatever changes are necessary to get back
to BYU offensive football, while retaining his really great defense. It is the
fans who pay for the football program. At times Bronco seems to hold us in
contempt. After losing to Boise State when the two-point attempt failed Bronco
swears he would always do the same thing. That is stupid. Admit it was a
mistake and learn from mistakes. We fans would like to see a more humble
Oatmeal, you said this: "BYU's coaches are skilled professionals
willing to work within the constraints of the honor code. They face the wrath of
fans for enforcing that code and recruiting players willing to abide by that
code." The greatest wrath this fan ever had for a BYU coach was directed at
Gary Crowton for recruiting thugs who nearly destroyed BYU football. Of course
we want players who can be expected to obey the honor code. Overall, Bronco has
recruited excellent young men. But I remind you that James Lark is also one of
those young men and he was ignored until circumstances forced Bronco to start
him in his last two collegiate games and only in those games. Bronco tantalizes
fans with promises of "Pursuit of Excellence." Then he goes for two
against Boise State when an extra point would have tied the game and sent it
into overtime. I am 70 years old and a graduate of BYU and a true-blue BYU fan.
I cannot be upset with fans who chose not to go to the bowl game and are critize
the offensive side of coaching.
"At least THAT team managed to win another bowl game"deductive:For which THEY can thank the late-season matchups with
various Bo Diddley Techs.
No one is saying we are supposed to be 'satisfied' with an 8-5 season,
but when you look at the investment of effort to enjoyment ration, we fans are
zero contributors and massive beneficiaries. We are not in the weight rooms, not
in the training rooms, we are not running endless gassers up and down the field.
We are not investing blood sweat and tears in every practice, just so people on
laptops or in front of the television can pontificate on what should have been.
Of course the Offensive line could have been more effective, do you think anyone
knows this more than they do? By the way some fans write, we just went 5-8
instead of 8-5. And anyone who thinks blow out losses is better than being
competitive with top teams is just not bright. I agree with the tone
and tenor of the letter. I also agree that if all but a possible one or two
people who might possibly be reading this column ran the football program at
BYU, it would be dropped in about two seasons.
BYU's fight song says something about being there through rain or snow, and
nothing will keep you from being a fan... nothing! Not the coach, not the QB,
not shopping or doing yard work ... NOTHING!' I've been a fan when
losing records against so-so teams was Normal, when I knew we had no chance of
winning. BYU is now on the verge of being an elite team, but you fairweather
fans are going to ruin it with petty whining and demanding indifference.
Fairweather fans who do not support their team always... hurt their team always!
The perception that BYU has a following was severely damaged by 'fans'
who supposed they were sending some kind of 'statement.' The statement
they sent, BYU does not have a consistent fan base to fill a bowl's
seats... National footprint ... they didn't see it! BYU's graded on
what 'they' saw. They learned BYU's fans don't watch on tv
in sufficient numbers ... don't blame it on SDSU. TV ratings show BYU
brought in 35% less ratings than the SDSU-Navy game two years ago. BYU FAILED!
Even the USU-Toledo bowl had a better showing fan-wise than BYU. Don't you
really know BYU's bowl future's determined by hineys in the seats!
Don't you really know recruiting will suffer???
Amen to this article. Well said. 8-5 is a very respectable season most fans
would die for... but as many 'true blue' fans have said, the current
crop of BYU fairweather fans are woefully shortsighted. Those 'fans'
that couldn't care less deserve not seeing the greatest defense in BYU
history, KVN, Ogletree, Ansah, and Hoffman perhaps for the last time in the blue
and white. These are really great players, whi were fun to watch, and those
'fans' who couldn't care less are not real fans.. only supporting
the team when they do everything 'their' way. That is not a real fan.
A real fan attends all games he can, or watches intently on tv, or listens
closely on the radio. I remember listening to games through tons of static on my
radio, when I could only get every third word or so... and my father had his ear
held closely to the other side of the radio.
WAC (USU) paddled my UtesBitter words from a poor Ute fan that
didn't have a bowl game (sniff sniff) for his team.Most honest
Ute fans readily admit they would have liked to have seen their team in a bowl
game... any bowl game... but not you. Nope... Utes play in the Rose
Bowl or some 'meaningful' bowl game, or not at all, especially not
some 'mediocre bowl game'. Utes would rather stay at home. Well enjoy it because that's exactly what's going to happen for a
while, probably a little more regularly I'm guessing.Was it
tough watching Arizona play in the New Mexico Bowl? I'm sure it was. LOLBitter and jealous U.
JohnInSLCAt least THAT team managed to win another bowl game, unlike
that sorry sack of couch potatoes on the hill.
I agree with you Mr. Anderson. I do think something needs changing in our
offense and I hope they figure it out. I for one really dislike the option that
we've started running. The success of that one play has been very
predicable. Mostly for a loss.We'd all like BYU to be undefeated or
one loss, but be realistic. It's going to be more difficult as we move
into more difficult schedules. I worry about our depth and our talent level.
These kids play their hearts out and usually play above what would be expected
in my opinion, which is just that, my opinion.Gary
I agree with other posters who believe that Bronco needs to be a coach to ALL
team members, not just the select defensive stars or "pet" players. How
would you feel as an offensive player, outside of Riley Nelson, if you had a
head coach that was lackadaisical, a best, toward your position of play? Bronco
has himself to blame for fans being critical of the offense…they are just
mirroring his lack of confidence and commitment to the offensive staff and
In the field of human endeavour (so I am Canadian Hate me)there so many
variables in play that we cannot expect perfect behaviour or outcomes especially
when it comes to physical sports. How many times have we seen a powerhouse team
get totally whacked by a "loser" team. When you go golfing you can
birdie a hole one time and bogey it another time. So it is we need to be more
forgiving of others decisions and actions. Some have said that another
quarterback should have been used. Could you or would you guarantee that there
would have been a better result. Now I am assuming that none of you are
translated individuals(snicker snicker)so get a grip on yourselves and enjoy the
game, realizing that feces do occur.
As a BYU grad and one of the best flag football players to grace the green
fields of Provo(I kid), I've got to agree with this article. This season
has been frustrating in many ways, but it's been really uncomfortable to
see how seriously many fans take their cougar sports. Don't get me wrong. I
watch every football game and almost every basketball game available, but
it's embarrassing to see how enraged and over-the-top some fans behave.
I'm sure this has been frustrating to the players and coaches as well. I
don't think it's bad to criticise, but the personal attacks on players
and coaches concerning their character, honesty, etc. is really disappointing.
I'd like to congratulate the fantasic players and coaches at BYU for their
success this year and I always hope they have an even better year next year. But
wheather they do or not, I've realized there are so many more important
things in life that we have some controll over. I'm afraid some feel like
their angry posts or screaming at the TV will somehow change the situation. Hope
and joy for 2013!
As to the Doman remarks- What makes the author confident that hiring Doman was
either the Christian thing to do, or even correct on just a football level?
Robert Anae had five consecutive 10-win seasons prior to his being
"demoted". He had sent the previous two quarterbacks to the NFL and
just had his freshman QB (Heaps) named to the Freshman All-American Team. So
the decision to replace Anae was made, why? Criticism is fair when it is
warranted, Mr. Anderson. The Doman hire had nothing to do with football. That
much is obvious.
BYU football, like any popular endeavor, is going to have fans of all
stripes--optimists, pessimists, rational, irrational, placid, hostile,
stay-the-course, burn it all down and start over--it's the nature of the
beast.It's a good thing that the tent is large enough to cover
them all. We don't have to agree on how best to build a great program, but
we should agree on the goal--a winning program achieved within the unique
charter of BYU (including the Honor Code). The rest is just noise--and better
to try to find the entertainment value in different opinions rather than taking
them to heart.Good players, coaches and admninistrators don't
spend time listening to fan chatter. They are successful because the have a
plan, are focused on executing it and can't be defocused by fan chatter. I
don't think Cody Hoffman spent much time lamenting mediocre QB play,
otherwise he wouldn't have done the work required to catch 100+ passes.Fans will vent, SJ, it's what they do. Take comfort in the fact
that the better the program, the less likely anyone who matters will pay
attention to such chatter.
Phx:Although they played fewer doormats in order to qualify for a
bowl, Utah also beat a Top 25 team THIS YEAR. Unfortunately for that
team, they SANK FROM SIGHT. But their fans are now providing endless
entertainment by demonstrating their infamous "holier-than-thou"
attitude with each other.
Go get em' phoenix!USU was not ranked then. But at least BYU lost to
the other ranked teams on their schedule!And as usual, BYU fans like
yourself are satisfied with just a mediocre bowl game. Nothing more like a
better record or better bowl game.
upinthenightBYU beat Top 25 Utah State THIS YEAR!-----------NO conference championships for UCall us
when U finally beat a conference foe with a winning record. It's laughable
that you're so embarrassed to be associated with the U, that you pretend to
be a BYU fan.Enjoy the couch potato bowl along with the other teams
who were so pitiful that they couldn't even qualify for a bowl.
I wish fellow BYU fans would stop talking about what could have been. We were
not 12-1 and we were not 13-0. BYU was 8-5. Some out there need to find a new
hobby or stop following football all together. They take it way to seriously.
Settle down and enjoy a bowl of green jello while watching Brady
Jealous U said:"WACPaddledBeing invited to a
"real" conference doesn't mean much when you finished winless in
the WAC.Call us when you finally beat a decent team in your new
conference."No matter who you schedule as an independent, BYU
will struggle as usual to beat ranked teams. Look at the bright side though,
Idaho and New Mex State are your new band of independent brothers!Call us when you get into a "real" conference.
WACPaddledBeing invited to a "real" conference doesn't
mean much when you finished winless in the WAC.Call us when you
finally beat a decent team in your new conference.
Finally, what sources tell you that Gary Anderson would have considered the BYU
position? First of all, let’s compare: Wisconsin - BYU. Compensation:
millions vs. 100s of thousand; recruiting: Big 10 vs. ????; bowl tie-in: Rose
Bowl vs. Poinsettia bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger or Armed-Forces Bowl. I have been an avid BYU fan for 55 years, but I know our limitations. If we
expect to be a continual top-10 team with the honor code and geographic
location, we are living in a fool’s paradise. If Gary Anderson can make $2
million dollars a year, he sets himself and family up for life before the
contract runs out, regardless of success level. He passed up Colorado and Cal,
not because of the money but because of the program potential. Do you really
think he would trade one “low-paying” position for another with the
added burden of unrealistic fan expectations in Provo?
Inquiring minds want to know. Parkite1, please explain how anyone short of
Thomas S. Monson is going to talk Andy Reid into accepting a college OC or even
HC position, especially one located in Provo. There’s that old song from
the 20s, “How You Gonna Keep ‘Em Down on the Farm, After
They’ve Seen Paree.” Reid is a successful NFL coach. He can write
his own ticket for any situation he wants. Also, please explain how
Holmoe is to “bring in” Detmer. Is he supposed to send out a hit
squad to abduct Ty and somehow create an indenture situation that compels him to
coach here rather than in San Antonio, where he has his ranch, hunting preserve,
family, and just about everything that is important to him? I have never heard
of Ty expressing any interest in the job whatsoever. How do you “bring
in” someone who is not willing to come? Lest you call me a BYU
hater, let me remind you I have had season tickets since I returned to Provo
(where I was raised) in 1985. I attended games for 25 years before that.
Remember, close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades (Nuclear Bombs too).
Coming close does not count. You either win or lose. It's not how close
you come. Losing by 1 is still as bad as losing by 50 (especially to the U).
There are no moral victories except those where you are ahead on the score at
the end of the contest.Let's not talk about the Y needting to
execute better or be more precise. Let's talk about winning the darn game
and then go out and do it. Emotion plays as much in a game as ability and
execution. Riley proved that a couple of times last year. Not this year.
Being a disgruntled fan, it is our right and privilage to complain. About QB
choices, about the O line, about the running backs, about Doman, about the
overall philosophy of the program. That is part and parcel of being a fan.Weber is only a scapegoat. He's done a good job and I don't
think the blame can be laid at his feet. The blame is always with the boss,
which would be Bronco. Weber just played the hand he was dealt.The
blame is really about the overall philosophy of the program. Bronco is a
defensive coach. His focus is the defense. LaVell was a defensive coach, but
he hired excellent assistants, gave them the over all philosophy and let them do
their jobs while he acted as the CEO. Making the big decisions but leaving the
small print to his assistants. Bronco has not learned that one lesson. He
needs to find a D-Coordinator that he trusts and then leave him alone and
consentrate on the big picture. He needs to be concerned with the over all play
of the team and be more involved with the offense. If he can't learn
Hawkr-Let me get this straight. So, a football player can
"sustain" an injury and a football team can "sustain" a loss,
but football fans can't "sustain" their team? And, since when are
"sports writers" the go-to authority of correct word usage?Regardless, here you go. Just one of many examples..."The
emotion of fan support can sustain a team in the short term." Unfortunately
D-news doesn't allow for URL's so you'll just have to google the
writers' article title and names-The Pro Sports Market in Canada by Glen
Hodgson and Mario Lefebvre, February 2011.Again, go consult the good
ole Webster. It may help expand your vocabulary.
WACPaddledUtah fans are just trying to ignore the reality that no
matter how poorly the Cougars do, the Utes will find a way to do even worse. The
Utes didn't just have a down year, the Utes have been in steady decline
since they hit their high water mark in 2008.utahcountyuteThe Utes aren't going through any "growing pains" of being in a
power conference, they're simply discovering who they really are -- bottom
feeding cannon fodder for the big boys of the PAC to pad their records. No
worries; Washington State and Colorado appreciate the company.
I have two words for Anderson: Lighten up!
BYU Fans don’t have to apologize for not supporting the failure of BYU
Football to achieve its true potential for the past SEVERAL years. 2012 was the
ultimate in watching on-field performance which could not equal the talent and
abilities of the young men in the BYU program. Why did this
happen? These failures fall to the feet of bad coaching decisions. Without
those coaching mistakes, BYU would have achieved a 12-1 season or have been 12-0
& "BCS bowling". The Poinsettia Bowl exemplified the
fact BYU has superior talent, but horrible coaching, especially on offense.
That responsibility for that failure starts at the top, with a man who actually
said after the Poinsettia Bowl-"I am proud of our 8-5 record; we are more
than just wins and losses". Bronco should not be excused from
his on field coaching failures, bad decision-making, and arrogant attitude
towards fans and alumni just because he is a good member of the LDS church; he
should have optimum results on the field. Gary Anderson, another LDS coach,
turned around Utah State, and was rewarded with HC@Wisconsin. BYU needs a
great article err i mean letter to the editor...but i don't know any fans
calling for Weber's head. He's been a magician and should stay. I have
never heard anyone say it was Weber's fault unless he's the O-line
recruiter as well. the real issue fans have is the mancrush the coaches have on
a certain QB who can't throw the ball farther than me when we have had Lark
and Munns (true passing QB's) we fans have been kept in the dark about
their true talent.
I have a very vivid image in my mind of an injured Robbie Bosco hobbling around
the 1984 Holiday Bowl on one leg and still managing to throw the winning
touchdown to secure the National Championship. Coaches must have thought that
an injured Bosco was better suited to lead the team to victory than a healthy
Blaine Fowler. The difference is that it worked out in the end for BYU in
1984--but one can only imagine what folks would have had to say if Bosco had not
been able to deliver the ball to Kelly Smith on that last drive. The next year
(1985) was one of those could-have-should-have years with an early season close
loss to UCLA followed by a stunning loss to UTEP who ended the year 1-10. The
Cougars lost to Ohio St. in the bowl game by the whopping score of 10-7. All of
the losses that year hinged on interceptions returned for TDS. After the season
fans learned that Bosco played with an injured shoulder all year. We forgive
and we forget (at least some of us) and move on with our lives.
Snack PAC & Truth Machine are trying their best to deflect BYUs problems.We know Utah had a down season. Everyone knows your side can't handle the
fact they were invited to a real conference over BYU. Get over it. Focus on
actually winning games against ranked teams, other than USU which you act like
is a national title!Carry on with your mediocre bowl aspirations.
SwoopThe thing is, yeah the Utes have taken their lumps moving into
a premier conference in the PAC. That being said, the cougs actually have a
decent 2013 schedule with fewer cream puffs for padding. With no QB to speak of
and a couple of nice pieces from the D declaring for the NFL, the cougs will be
in a real pickle.Asi es
utahcountyute"next year the Cougs are looking at 8
losses"Bad news for the Utes, who are averaging two losses more
than the Cougs since joining the PAC.
Silent LurkerInstead of involving yourself in a discussion that has
absolutely nothing to do with the Utes, U should be worrying about your football
program following in the train wreck tradition of your basketball program.Call us the first time the Utes beat a PAC 12 team with a winning
record. The truth is, the ONLY team of any significance the Utes have beaten the
last two years...is BYU!If the Utes had beaten the only
WAC team on their schedule, a team BYU beat, the Utes would have been bowling.
byU "fans" calling out other byU "fans" as
"fair-weather", duck sitting on the fence as the "balance" and
next year the cougs are looking at 8 losses. Good stuff
54-IQTypical ankle-biting response from a hill troll who is content
to live with losing seasons and no bowls as long as U beat BYU.
Could someone please remind me of when we do the "sustain-ing votes for
football season. Is it at the beginning of each season, after the opening prayer
each game?. I guess I'll have to pay attention now that I've been
called to repentance as a "Fair Weather Fan". LOL!
Foolish. Fans pay money for a quality product. If the quality drops, as it has
at BYU, then they don't buy tickets. Bronco can have his way and hate the
fans, but he may be left with a half empty stadium as happened under Crowton. If
you charge money you better deliver.
A more accurate perspective is that BYU's schedule was awful. BYU won 7
regular season games, six of which included the likes of Georgia Tech (who lost
to Tennessee State), Washington State (who Utah destroyed), New Mexico State,
Idaho, Hawaii, and Weber State. BYU's record against the other five teams
played was 1-5, including a loss to a really bad Utah team, the mark key
"big" win was against Utah State, a WAC team. Perhaps this is what is
bothering the fans you want to call out as being fair-weather. Try to view the
season without your blue colored glasses and you might see it for what it really
You have it all wrong. The person that needs to be fired is Bronco. His love
affair with Riley is sickening. As a BYU fan, I do have high expectations. An
8 & 5 season does not meet that expectation. Especially with the schedule
the Cougs had. Good bye Bronco.
Fans aren't asking that much. Bronco is the one that says "Our goal is
a National Championsip, and a Quest for Perfection". You can's do
either if you can't score an offensive touchdown, or make a PAT against
Boise, or miss two GW field goals at Utah, or underthrow a wide open Hoffman by
over 15 yards at Notre Dame, or play an injured quarterback at SJSU after the
color commentators have said twenty times "it's time to bench Nelson.
Please, there is no scapegoat. It is simple due to Mendenhall's lack of
leadership and player favortism the team finished at 8-5 instead of 11-1 or 12-0
and about to play in a BCS Bowl or National Championship. Rewatch the games and
tell us if Bronco (as he suprisingly acknowledged being at fault for) had
prepared the team for the noise at Utah would it not have been a victory? Put
Hill/Lark in for an injured Nelson would Bosie, ND, and San Jose not been
victories? Oregon State tied early in the 4th substitue Lark victory, who
knows? Regarding Taysom Hill the injury was inexcusable due to pathetic lack of
observant coachingSo now it is time for Holmoe to chat with Andy
Reid, bring in Detmer as offensive coach and relegate Bronco to defensive, or
keep the status quo with Bronco in charge and possibly finish at 6-6 next
year...shame Holmoe didnt reach out to Gary Anderson
Fan is short for fanatic. Bronco is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars
a year to deal with all aspects of a coach's life, including input--fair or
not--from the fans, some of whom are fanatic and have a right to be. The
difference between BYU and Utah this year is the Utes couldn't pad their
schedule with enough patsies (due to PAC 12 foes) to be bowl eligible. To be
fair, BYU's schedule would have been tougher if Tom Holmoe could have found
better opponents. Then we Cougar fans would also have missed out on the bowl
game experience. I understand this letter writer doesn't want to see
his friend, or anyone else, fired. And hopefully he really isn't as upset
about the scary old meanies among BYU fans as he pretends to be. But he really
is as unreasonable and unfair as he accuses others of being. If a gritty
but average team is good enough, the Cougar Club sure doesn't need all
those donations they ask for. Especially is criticism from the donors is so
Fair weather fans certainly do exist, but BYU football performing far below what
they should have isn't just my opinion. Listen to Tom Holmoe, go back and
watch the games and listen to the ESPN analysts. Are they "fair-weather
fans?" ESPN analysts are neutral observers who call it how they see it. What
they saw were elite receivers and a top 5 defense that were being wasted (that
is a direct quote) because of who was playing quarterback. Not to mention that
running backs weren't getting the ball because mr. hero (we all know who
that is) had to carry the ball at least half the time. Tom Holmoe even said
"football needs to be better"I try to be reasonable. I am
not one of those fans who are calling for Bronco to be fired, or even Brandon
Doman to be fired or demoted or whatever. The problems this year were clearly
Riley Nelson playing QB (whose physical limitations were not Doman's fault)
and the performance of the O-line, which Coach Weber is directly responsible
for. The line did okay at times, but not being able to run block a 3-3-5 defense
Its football not General Conference. I can understand not Monday morning
quarterbacking General Conference. But really, isn't that part of what
makes football fun?By the way, I appreciate the coaches leaving Lark
in for almost the entire bowl game. Not a great offensive showing but he got a
shot he more than deserved.
Nice try redhot! Only LDS BYU fans like Mr Anderson would use the word
"sustain" when talking about football fan support. However, if you can
show me a sportswriter using it when talking about football fans supporting
their team, I'll gladly take the comment back. Good luck.
"I was suddenly awakened early Christmas morning, not by reindeer's
hooves, but by feelings of dismay and disappointment, I was compelled to write.
I am appalled and embarrassed by the fair-weather fans at BYU!"Seriously? You woke up Christmas morning with feelings of dismay and
disappointment? Because of football? My friend, have you considered any kind of
counseling? Because, if that is truly the case, you are wound a bit too tight.
If that is not the case, then you really ought to look up the word
Typical BYU "fan" behavior as evidenced by the posts on these boards.
Anyone that thinks the BYU fans are hard on coaches and players have obviously
never lived outside Utah. That notion is laughable. Also, Duckhunter is spot on
regarding Fair Weather fans. Mr. Anderson doesn't quite have that
definition down. That's OK, we get what he's trying to say. He just
happens to be wrong. Mr. Anae was let go after performing better
than Mr. Doman. Riley's career should have ended when he was
replaced by Taysom Hill. He was never fit to play after the Weber State game
and should not have been cleared. By his own admission he lied when asked if he
was healthy enough to play. Some call that gritty or gutsy. I call it
self-centered and dishonest. Riley definitely did not have the team's best
interest this year. Should anyone get fired? I'm not sure,
but based on precedent, yes. I guess we will see. At the very least, Mr. Doman
should not be the OC next year. Keep him on as an assistant, but not the OC.
I guess I qualify as "fair weather" because I have lack appreciation for
a team that takes all day to snap the ball and has numerous false-start
penalties each game using Jake Heaps play calling and there are teams that go an
entire season with maybe two such fouls. I've only been a fan since 1969
(before Lavell was the new head coach) and I can't get very excited to see
a good QB get injured at the end of the game when the OC doesn't send in a
play to "take a knee" but afterwards says he tried and the QB missed the
signal, resulting in a season-ending injury. I find it unvelieable that when
deciding to go for two at Boise State and seeing BSU call time out to adjust
their defense for the anticipated play that the Y coaches still went ahead with
it and failed. I've watched Steve Young, Robbie Boscoe, Ty Detmer, Gifford
Neilsen, Gary Sheide, Jim McMan, Mark Wilson, Max Hall, John Beck, etc win many
great games, yet this year we couldn't produce a winning touchdown in
several games.Yes, I'm definitely a "fair-weather" fan.
I would not call a 40 year fan a fair weather fan. Not even close. Watched or
listened to nearly every game over that stretch of time. As a never waivering
fan, I have come to expect an offense similar to ones in the past. Just my
opinion in watching this team for nearly 40 years through thick and thin.
Brandon Doman seems like the most lost offensive coordinator we have had over
that stretch of time. I did not think he helped his QBs much either, when he was
a QB coach. If criticism places me into the fair weather fan category, so be
it. People don't like criticism I realize, but I think fans have the right
to speak up and express themselves.
Hawkr-You're the epitome of the type of fan this article
describes- "the comments that come from some fans are absurd, and reveal
their lack of knowledge." "Sustain" is not just a religious word
used by the LDS faith. Read the dictionary... Sustain:1. To keep in
existence; maintain.2. To supply with necessities or nourishment; provide
for.3. To support from below; keep from falling or sinking; prop.4.
To support the spirits, vitality, or resolution of; encourage.5. To bear
up under; withstand6. To affirm the validity of
Mr. Anderson seems to be trying to set himself up as the elite, extra special,
righteous "fan" who, by comparison, makes all us "fair weather
fans" appear to be flaky, insincere, faking fans - what? Like we are really
Ute fans deep down?Give me a break. "True" fans have every
right to be disappointed when the team we love fails to meet expectations. We
are fans of excellence, and when our team fails to live up to its potential, we
are justified in critiquing and calling for change... and that does NOT dilute
our status as true fans!Grow up, Mr. Anderson.
Accountability: something Bronco demands out of his coaches and players but
something he doesn't owe to fans because, in Bronco's opinion, fans
are ignorant pharisees.Worse than fair-weather fans are fans who
give blind obedience when the performance record is, at best, spotty.
They've never learned that if you keep doing a thing over and over
you're stuck with the mediocre results. Losing to a bad Utah team and to
SJSU is poor.
"their lack of true support for a team they supposedly sustain!"Uh....no. AS much as I love BYU, I "sustain" church leaders, but
not any sports team, BYU or not. I think worlds are colliding Mr. Anderson!
Reading these makes me laugh.BYU will never be a top 10 program.
They aren't even seen as a top 20 program to those outside of Utah. And
Utah is heading the wrong way also (not bowl eligible and having to play
Stanford and Oregon this year -2 more losses)....People need to get
real. BYU is a 35 th ranked team, and is getting harder. What gives all if you
BYU fans the right to act like you are so good? Then complain like crazy when u
don't win? You aren't the SEC or PAC12 Champs....or been in a BCS
game for heavens sakes. You are, sorry as I like BYu, irrelevant in the
National picture.If the non educated football fan base would
understand this, and cheer when BYu has a magical year, it would be great. But
the year after year (and will be worse next year) complaining is getting old.
It's interesting that with all the coug-on-coug crime going on here that
Ducky, the self-proclaimed "real" "fan", still has to take a
shot at the Utes--something everyone else managed to avoid. That
doesn't sound like a "real" coug fan to me. LOL, indeed!!
Perception is realityI think Mr. Anderson is within his right to
write what he did but I don't buy into all that he said. I have always
given the the coaches the benefit of the doubt and still do for the most part
but as a business owner, I have to correct my project managers, superintendents
and foremen who are extraordinary professionals from time to time and hold them
accountable for the performance on the job and the quality of the finished
product. They do make choices that affect the outcome of the job in quality, on
time delivery and profits or losses. I have a right to be
discriminating in my business and my owner/clients have the right to be
discriminating with me. I think Coach Mendenhall made some major
mistakes by letting Jake Heaps get away. I think he made some very poor choices
to continue to play Riley Nelson when he was so badly hurt which in my
estimation cost us games. This is my perception and also my reality.
I've been following BYU football since 1965 where I attended the Y and was
a member of the track team. I can't say I've always been a ticket
holder, since I was in Alaska and California for many of those years, but I
followed them one way or the other.There are too many fair-weather
fans. You don't always have a great season. And, many times it is not the
coach that is at fault. If you get tons of injuries, have a young team, or just
have players that are not as good as others, then what can the coach do?Sure, the quarterback situation was disappointing but if we had an
all-american QB then there wouldn't be such a decision to make. When you
have several guys that are not doing well, any way you decide is not going to be
opportune.We all need to help in recruiting every good LDS kid or
every good kid to make us better.
The only time we loose is when the refs hate us or we beat ourselfs. We're
usually the best team and best coach in the USA.
(Continued)Yes, fans are entitled to expect a good performance. But
I don’t know what would justify delusional expectations, such as a 12-1 or
13-1 season. Now I would object that people that talk that way embarrass me
– and I guarantee I have followed BYU football longer than the Attila has
been alive. We did not have a great season, but it was not a disaster. If Lark
were that much better, he would have played. Lighting it up against NMSU proves
nothing. SDSU showed the real Lark, who may have been marginally better than
Riley but not enough to throw that baby out with the bathwater. Next year
we have a new season – hopefully more satisfying. If the AD decides to
make changes, so be it. I don’t think any of us want victories any more
than he does, Meanwhile, as much as I hope they win every game, any losses will
not diminish my self-image, satisfaction in life or my passion as a BYU fan.
OK, BYU fans. Take a collective breath and relax a moment. We have two sharply
divided camps here: 1. Those that feel that no negative word should
ever be uttered about a coach or player - particularly if that coach is not LDS
for fear that criticism means we won’t get any good coaches in the future.
Trust me, other fan bases criticize their coaches.. Anybody who coaches but is
sensitive to outside criticism doesn't stay in the business long. 2. Some people seem to feel anything short of running Bronco, Doman and
Webber out of town on a rail covered with tar is insufficient. I will answer one
series of rhetorical questions posted above: a) Which coach botched the snap vs.
Utah? B) Which coach threw a picksix vs Boise? C) Which coach missed the
receiver vs. ND? I'm sure it was a player. I've seen Payton Manning
throw picksixes and miss receivers. Surely a college player doing so is not
unknown. Especially a player of modest talents. But on the balance, including
bowl game, did Jimmy Football do any better than Gritty Riley? In a word, NO.(continued)
I'm in the middle on this. I haven't called for anyones job and am not
planning to, I don't think we've reached that point, but I am critical
of many of the things that occured over the last 3 years. It is obvious that the
last 2 years in particular have been extremely poor offensively, you don't
have to be a coach to see it Anderson, and yes there is blame for that. Is it
all the line and coach Weber? No. Is it all Riley and Doman? No. But all of them
share in the blame because they are the ones that are responsible for putting a
decent offense on the field and they did not do it.Nothing "fair
weather" about that Mr. Anderson, frankly people voicing concern about it
are the opposite of "fair weather", they actually care. "Fair
weather" is what you get at utah where no one shows up at the hc after a
couple of down years. Those are "fair weather" "fans". Pack your sanctimony away, voice your support for the coaches if that is how
you feel but realize that there are plenty of REAL fans that disagree with you.
I can't help but agree with the writer. Too many of the vocal fans think
way too much of themselves to be taken seriously. They remind me of Utah fans.
Absolutely spot-on. As a BYU grad and former BYU athlete, it pains me to see how
quickly our fans turn on every coach or administrator (or athlete!) not
currently associated with a spotless season. We were a few stops and drops from
a magical season, and still many call for heads to roll. It's pathetic and
Br Anderson - amen, and Merry Christmas. To many of my brethren,
constructive criticism, by definition would be constructive. Haven't seen
much of that. And the arrogance, or ignorance, of suggesting that those who
have not rallied with torch and pitchfork have somehow become complacent with
mediocrity is not even worthy of debate. That's all. Happy
New Year and I can't wait for all news BYU football!
I knew Andersen had a personal relationship with Weber long before he wrote it
in this piece. It just had that flavor right from the start. I'm not saying
he didn't bring up good points but it certainly makes you question what
motive the person has in writing this letter when he has never written a letter
to an editor before. Don't blame the fans if Weber gets let go.
It's not our decision. I sincerely hope that Bronco can figure things out
and put a much improved offense on the field without forcing anyone out of a job
they want. I don't think BYU fans are fair weather fans either. We
wouldn't be so passionate about fixing the horrible offense if we
The writer of this letter just does not get it. It's not the final 8-5
record that is frustrating fans at all. It's the fact that 4 of the 5
games were lost by a single score. Of those 4 games, mistakes that good teams
do not make were the difference. The botched snap vs Utah. The pick-6 at Boise
State. The missed pass against Notre Dame. And any of the 4 drives inside of
San Jose State's 30 yard line. Good teams do not lose games the way that
BYU lost games this season. Had BYU's offense played cleanly, another
11-win season would be in the books.The bowl game would have been a
loss if it were not for the defensive plays in the 4th quarter. BYU's
offense was just not good enough to otherwise win the game.I would
be happy with an 8-5 season if that was this team's potential. But that
was not the case this year.
Oatmeal - 8-5 when BYU so easily could have and should have been 12-1 (and
possibly 13-0) but for the reasons I already outlined is beyond frustrating, and
fans like me (I've been attending since 1989 as a teenager, and waking up
at 2-5 AM in Europe to watch games overseas for the better part of the past
decade) have every right to expect more than what was delivered this year. It
has nothing to do with whether or not I've ever coached. I don't need
to have previously coached to know that when your limping starting quarterback
is overshooting or undershooting all his receivers with wobbly ducks and blowing
gimme TD's in close games to national powerhouses because of it, and you
fail to pull him for guys that can (and did) deliver later, those are coaching
errors. It has NOTHING to do with the character and development of the
personnel on the field, and to suggest that healthy criticism of poor coaching
performance stains players' character is a repugnant, straw man argument
that I didn't make.
Maybe BYU fans wouldn't be upset if the coaches were realistic.Quest for Perfection. Then coaches are saying they'll win the national
title.Coaches completely change offense for an option style offense,
which BYU is not set up to run. Coaches need to take some responsibility.
(They are making big money)
Attila the Hun:I wonder about those who think it is better to get
beat to bits five times than to have five bloody noses. I suspect that such
individuals fail to acknowledge the true purpose of sport, which would include
the development of character and the growth gained from striving against the
best. I saw no poor performance by the Cougars, nor even a hint
I have always been a fan of both BYU and Utah, until Bronco came to BYU. He is
arrogant, and self-centered, and I don;t think he is good for BYU. My personal
opinion.The way Bronco has handled the QB situation the past three
years is reason enough for his dismissal. It has been absolutely ludicrous. His
infatuation with Riley Nelson has turned him from a coach who has gotten
results, to a mediocre coach who has destroyed his program. He should go.
Attila the Hun:It is very easy to have high performance standards
for others. Perhaps critical fans should have high performance standards for
themselves? Here are some possibilities:1. Few fans have coached
college football. They lack the expertise and experience to assess coaches or
programs. So perhaps they should leave it up to "those who know" to
assess BYU's situation. 2. College teams are made up of
student-athletes, not professionals. They are amateurs, they play for the love
of the game. BYU's teams are made up of outstanding student-athletes
willing to live by the honor code. Few make the grade. They deserve the respect
of everyone who abides by that code or a similar code. Fans should keep that in
mind when being critical of or upset at a player. 3. BYU's
coaches are skilled professionals willing to work within the constraints of the
honor code. They face the wrath of fans for enforcing that code and recruiting
players willing to abide by that code. 4. Real fans don't drag
their team or coach through the mud in public. Many BYU fans do exactly that.
They make it harder to recruit quality personnel for BYU's programs.
At the Poinsettia Bowl a "loyal" BYU fan behind me was so obnoxious in
his criticism of the coaching staff that I thought he was an SDSU fan. He had
lost perspective, it's only a game.
I don't understand this letter in one aspect. We as fans are expecting too
much? Seriously? Is it too much to expect a BYU football team to score one
touchdown in a bowl game? Is it too much to expect a BYU football team to make
an extra point or field goal to beat Boise State and Utah (heck, BYU was given
TWO field goal attempts to beat Utah!!) Let's face it, BYU fans are
incredibly patient and tolerant of pathetic and disapointing play. What would
be nice is to be able to see BYU score a touchdown!! I don't think that is
being critical, hostile, mean, nasty, or otherwise making me unworthy! I think
it means that there are some issues that Bronco needs to address with the
offensive side of his football team. Good grief, get real!!
By the way, "sustain"? Aren't you mixing discourses there,
Same familiar fan's screed, different target. While some fans express their
discouragement with the coaching staff or certain decisions they've made
this year (I won't rehearse the complaints here; Mr Harmon and others do a
good job summarizing the discontent), Mr Anderson has decided to turn his
withering criticism on the BYU fan base itself.The fact is that
Mendenhall widely advertises the standards and accountability he expects from
his players and staff. Two years ago, he sacked his defensive coordinator
mid-season (also a non-Mormon; also a good man and good Christian according to
many accounts -- though these attributes were questioned within and beyond the
program in the aftermath of his firing). That was also a winning season with a
bowl victory, so clearly a precedent was set: Mendenhall will call his coaches
on the carpet for consistent underachievement. Harmon clearly isn't out of
line for urging the HC to be consistent: He should hold his offensive staff to
the same rigorous standard he employs with his defensive team. Holmoe and Bronco
have both indicated that changes will be made; are they wrong, Anderson?
Being critical cannot necessarily be misconstrued as being a fair-weather fan.
I agree that many disgruntled fans calling for the collective canning of
Mendenhall are out of line. However, I think we have every right to
be critical of an 8-5 record. No matter how many ways you paint it, the injured
play of Riley in both the Utah and Boise State games was incontrovertibly a
mistake by Coach Mendenhall. Other close losses can be directly attributed to
Nelson turnovers (points for the other team) all year. I’m not sure what
the solution is, I won’t go as far as to call for heads. But I have every
right to be critical of 8-5 when 4 of the 5 losses were decided by less than a
touchdown. This team proved they were talented enough to play with some of the
best in the country. Wasted potential, poor coaching, and bad decisions were
the difference leaving us wondering what might have been. Honest evaluation of
this team and its coaching staff, and higher expectations of performance based
on what we all know they could have achieved in no way makes us fair-weather
Dear S.J. Anderson - well congratulations to you that you are so willing to
accept a mediocre season. 8-5 with 5 blowout losses would have been preferable
than seeing 4 of those losses being so close, and so readily winnable were it
not for blind allegiances to an underperforming and injured QB, and poor
coaching decisions. BYU fielded the best defense its ever had, and could have
easily been 12-1 or 13-0. Being that close to what could have and should have
been a magical season, and seeing it turn into something mediocre based solely
on coaching decisions, was indeed very tough for us other "lifers" (you
ain't the only one pal) to accept and watch. We're to be lectured for
having higher performance standards than you? For expecting more from our team
than you? Take the sanctimony elsewhere. We love BYU. Enough to get upset at
poor performance and totally avoidable mediocrity.
I soundly agree with this editorial piece. I love being a BYU fan,
through thick or thin, win or loss, I enjoy BYU sports...... all of
them. And I support the coaches and those that make the decisions at
I think Mr. Anderson makes a lot of good points. I support the idea that we owe
loyalty to our alma mater. yet if we truly love an organization we also need to
have the guts to give it a dispassionate examination. From the out side it
appears that the offense at BYU has taken a tailspin the last couple of years.
Bronco stepped in when his defense was being badly coached. He has to do
something about the offense, or he is not doing his job as a head coach well.
Brandon was a decent quarterback coach. Let's get a big name O coach or we
may start losing the recruiting wars.
I concur wholeheartedly to Mr Anderson's commentary. We, as Fans, would do
well to adopt that same philosophy. I look forward anxiously to next
year's contests. BYU has a very difficult schedule and an 8 - 5 result
would be a win - win situation. Any better than that would be frosting on the