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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 26 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

So I left the Church about 4 years ago (with my wife and kids) and have never been happier. We have had dozens of people try to get us to come back and become a member again. People are constantly trying to get us to listen to their beliefs about the church. This doesn't bother us because we know they mean well.

But when we try and talk to them about our new beliefs they get very frustrated and almost mad that we are trying to convince them that we might be right.

I love our old church (LDS) but it just seems hypocritical to me. If you are going to send 60,000 missionaries out into the world to try and convince people their current church is false, and if you are going to encourage people to be member missionaries, then don't be bothered when people try to come up to you and convince you that you might be the ones who are wrong. Thank you!

Admiring Gentile
Salt Lake City, UT

Thanks to Church Member for expressing my thoughts. I'm not a Mormon. Yet I've always felt drawn to the Mormon culture because I see so many acts of kindness in it (yes, there are exceptions, but from what I've observed, they're only exceptions). I also see so many young Mormons with wonderful ideals and hopeful faces, rather than the jaded, cynical faces of so many "secular" youth. Thus my screen name.

But it's such a turn-off to me to be encountered by missionaries and people like Clayton Christensen, who see me as someone who doesn't have "the Truth"--and now they want to give it to me. Yes, they're well-meaning, but when you approach someone automatically believing that person is "in error," then you're not treating him like a real person but--as they say in the sales game--a prospect. It's dehumanizing.

I'm so glad my Jewish faith doesn't believe in proselytizing, since living righteously is enough for everyone. And also we want everyone to think, and discover, for themselves. That's the vitality of Life. Never any "one size fits all."

DeskTree
LEHI, UT

We are told the Gospel (mormon church) is the only source of real happiness in life. However, many members of the church deep down realize they church doesn't really make them all that happy.

So then they have to ask themselves why they would want to share something that is not very fulfilling. So they decide not to share it.

terra nova
Park City, UT

I like what Admiring Gentile wrote about the hopeful faces of the youth within the church as juxtaposed to those who wear that cynical, world-weary look. You really can see the way of truth and love radiating through that hopefulness. And as joyful as they are when "holding to the rod," it is equally painful and sad to see that look fade away and walls rise when anyone (young or old) begins to wonder in "strange roads."

We are all prone to wander that way. As Isaiah 53, the prophet's astonishing work on the Messiah says, "All we like sheep have gone astray." We need the Messiah, no matter who we are or where we are. I am grateful to the Jewish people for protecting and blessing us with the words of ancient prophets.

We are not far from each other.

I hope I am able to remain true to the faith, help others stay with us, and humbly invite those on the outside to find passage into the safety and blessings of the restoration.

Admiring Gentile may as well have written: "No one cares how much you know until they know how much you care." He's right.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Dear Church Member, thank you for your honesty; I do believe the number one reason people leave the church is because they (the people leaving) don't believe the New Testament. If you have something new to share regarding faith and hope and the gift of the Holy Ghost, I am here to listen. Write a book, I will read it. In my opinion, churches should have a new book and the ancient law of tithing to help finance their ideas and opinions. If people believe you, they will read your work and support you. I would add to Mr. Christensen, that some people don't go worship in church, because they don't know how to. And we think people know how to sit in church and enjoy it. Many do, yet not all know how to sit in church, they feel lost. A divine church will be a missionary church. And one that believes in ancient law of sacrificing one's time and talents.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

To: Terra Nova

You talked about how "joyful" people are when they are holding to the rod (LDS church) and how people loose that joy when they wander in strange lands (leave the church).

I think that is a great myth in the church. I have never had more joy, peace, and happiness in my life and we left the church years ago. Some of the most miserable people I know are active, believing members. Remember Utah is #1 in depression and anxiety. Top 5 in divorce, suicide, and mental illness.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

To : antodav2012

So when millions and millions of people who are not mormon claim to have "all joy and happiness" in their lives are they just lying??

If we were able to line up the happiest ten million people on the planet do you really think they would all be mormon??

When you say "there is nothing of any value in the world outside the church" can you start to understand how offensive that is to people who know that their church is the true church??

You are right that everyone has their free agency in this life and it is sad when people make the wrong choice. Unfortunately everyone "knows" that they are right and the other guy is wrong.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Church member, your first post says you are happy, and in the same post, you are bothered (by missionaries), which is it? Some people are bothered by different things, some bothered by a loved one battling addiction, poverty, illness, tragedy, etc. You are bothered by people trying to make the world a better place. Where will your happiness be when there is 100,000 missionaries? You can never be happy always opposing something. The scriptures are here to be a thorn in the side of the rich and educated. The New Testament speaks of faith, hope and unity in the community.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

Church member, I didn't say they were lying. Plenty of people outside the Church do experience some degree of joy or happiness in their lives. Or at least, they think they do. But the fullness of the Gospel is the only thing that can bring a fullness of joy or happiness. Some people think that they have that already, but really don't understand how much more they could possess if they opened their hearts and their minds to it. Or, others are simply in denial.

I'm really not concerned about who is offended by my testimony. The wicked take the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center. Have a blessed day.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

In regards to other churches, it's not about who is "right" or "wrong". It's about what is true. Every church has at least some portion of the truth within it. No matter how apostatized, every religion possesses some fraction of the light and knowledge that was given to us by our Heavenly Father through prophets in ancient times. However, there is only one church in the world that possesses the fullness of the Gospel, and that is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This Church, for all the weaknesses and imperfections of its members, is the only place where all that God wants his children to have can be found. What they do once they have it is up to them, and likewise, God will not force any man or woman to accept it. You can live in the world if you choose to do so. You can commit sin, and think you are free, even as you are being bound by the captivity of the devil without realizing it. If Terrestrial or Telestial Glory is all you aspire to, then that is all you will receive. God will never away take your agency.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

The truthfulness of the Church is not based upon what members or missionaries say. It is based upon what has been revealed directly to us by God, by ancient prophets, through scriptures, both ancient and modern. The truth of the Church can be discerned plainly from reading the scriptures, even without the Book of Mormon, but a true testimony of it can only be received through the Holy Ghost, not by any man. I dare say that those who dismiss the Church without giving it a second thought have not tested the promise given by Moroni in Moroni 10:4-5, nor do they have any desire to do so. They will not receive a testimony of the Gospel because first and foremost, they do not WANT it to be true. For if the Church is true, that entails with it a great deal of responsibility, which in this world many people would rather not have. It's much easier and comforting to believe there is no God at all, or, that if there is a God, that he does not care what we do in this life, or offers a cheap and easy path to salvation.

antodav
TAMPA, FL

The Bible alone makes clear: Only Christ has the power to forgive sins, and he is the only path back to the Father. Baptism is necessary for salvation. Forgiveness comes only through repentance, and repentance only by faith. Faith without works is dead. We are saved by grace, but not by grace alone. Christ makes all the difference. Saving ordinances Gospel can only be performed by those holding proper authority--which cannot be assumed into oneself, but must be conferred by the laying on of hands, as unto Aaron in ancient times. That is only possible when there is a prophet on the earth. That authority is the priesthood, and it is the same yesterday, today, and forever. There is no "new priesthood" established after Christ that takes the place of the priesthood of ancient times. There is no "priesthood of all believers" either. Nor do those who claim to possess the priesthood in an unbroken line of apostolic succession from Peter down to the present day, but who have repeatedly violated the oath and covenant of the priesthood, have any authority to perform a single ordinance in Christ's name, let alone to forgive one's sins.

Church member
North Salt Lake, UT

To Christoph:

I think if you go back and read my post again you will see that I am NOT bothered by missionaries and other people trying to spread their faith. The point I was trying to make is it seems like you and other members are "bothered" when people try to show you that you MIGHT be the ones who are wrong. I am totally fine with you sharing your faith just be prepared for other people to do the same to you.

To: antodav

Thanks for your testimony. It was great. I obviously don't agree with you so I see no point in arguing any further. I truly hope you can find peace and happiness in your life and I wish you nothing but the best!

DRay
Roy, UT

Those who live the teachings of the Church are "alive" in Christ, and for those who do not completely do that, there is a degree of misery, called "guilt." Christ said we must preach the Gospel to every creature, thus any variant from that is not of Him. The LDS Church has a commandment from Him to preach and share the restored Gospel, so how can we do any less than keep the commandment? Joseph Smith said, "after all is said and done, our greatest duty is to preach the Gospel." Folks who leave the Church are either not understanding it, or they do not wish to live by its teachings, because it is inconvenient to their own desires. I know God lives, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is His restored Church,administers His Gospel, and has a mandate to spread the word, let people accept or refuse it as they might. Some folks just are not comfortable with TRUTH.

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

It remains pretty self-evident that if all people throughout the globe were active Mormons... doing their Home & Visiting Teaching, rearing their families in righteousness, loving their fellow men, providing lots of kind charitable service, taking care of themselves and those around them, obeying the law, promoting justice and excellence... the world would be about as Utopian as it could get. There would be no poor, no wars, little crime... and lots of wonderfully pleasant relationships. What's to not like in that scenario?! So, sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ in attempting to move toward that wonderful state is a noble and worthwhile goal. We heartily support Professor Christensen's intent and hope his book is very successful in accomplishing that which he set out to do. Captain James Green, Former US Naval Aviator, Retired Airline Pilot, Current University Professor, & a Mormon

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