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Published: Sunday, Dec. 23 2012 8:30 p.m. MST

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Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

"Here in Vancouver when I mention BYU to someone, they always say "Go Cougars" (and not the WAZZU kind)!"

Oh so you mean the Houston kind!

Ben H
Clearfield, UT

Cougar fans must be thrilled. It would be great if this was a scientific survey. I am certain that ESPN did not use it to justify their faith in BYU, but used actual Nielsen rating data. That is what BYU fans should be thrilled about.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

@ Hank Pank

Nice try. One has to love your out-of-context interpretation.

The comment had nothing to do with s teams past successes (National Championship vs Two BCS Wins) but has to do with feeling the need to justify themselves being in a particular conference. Everyone knows that Utah was #12 of 12 in the PAC 12 and that if the Big 12 had imploded, as Larry tried to get them to do, the PAC 12 would be the PAC 16 WITHOUT Utah. When you're feelinbg smug about it I suggest you just remember that Colorado (your new rival) was #11 of 12.

Find another PAC 12 Team that hangs hundreds of banners around town proclaiming their conference membership the way the Utes have done the past two years. It smacks of insecurity and over-compensation. But that's ok---some of us recognize it for what it is.

You're entitled to feel that the PAC 12 is better than sliced bread. (Really, it's ok.) I expect Gary Anderson to coach in the Rose Bowl before Kyle Whittingham. Utah will follow Arizona in that regard.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ toosmartforyou

-"UTAH has the smallest stadium (tied) in the PAC 12."

Wrong. Wazzu has the smallest with 33,000 seats.

-"When you have a REAL program, you'll have fans attending the games in mass numbers. Last year when I attended the BYU-Texas game Texas fans said there were more BYU fans in the stadium in Austin than Oklahoma fans when they play them."

You are not telling the truth. Texas and OU haven't played in Austin since 1923. They play every year in Dallas in the Cotton Bowl and the seats are split 50/50 between the two schools. Which means there are 45,000+ Oklahoma fans in attendance every single year. Whoops. I don't think REAL programs have to lie about attendance numbers.....

Footballjoe
South Jordan, UT

Sometimes the pocket book is a real indication of fan support. Note the following information:

ATLANTA, Ga., (July 31, 2012) –The Collegiate Licensing Company (CLC), a division of IMG College, today announced its annual list of top-selling institutions and manufacturers. These rankings represent royalties reported July 1, 2011 through June 30, 2012 on all collegiate merchandise sold on behalf of CLC-represented institutions.

1. University of Texas at Austin
37. Boise State University
41. University of Utah
52. Brigham Young University

Both the U and BYU look good, but the one that stands out is Boise State. As a smaller public school, BSU actually has a much bigger national following than given credit by the local press. You can find their merchandise all across the country and they obviously didn’t get their ranking by selling all of its merchandise to the 600,000 metro Boise population. By the way, the royalties from the sales all go to fund student scholarships. Quite impressive!

Footballjoe
South Jordan, UT

Sometimes the pocket book is a real indication of fan support.

The Collegiate Licensing Company, which reports royalty rankings for college merchandise sold for the year ended June 30, 2012 listed the following rankings with surprising results.

The University of Texas at Austin was lst. Boise State was 37th. The University of Utah was 41st. BYU was 52nd.

Both the U and BYU look good, but the one that is quite amazing is Boise State. As a public school with a smaller alumni base, BSU actually has a much bigger national fan base than generally credited, and it didn’t get the ranking by selling all of its merchandise to the 600,000 metro Boise population. Quite impressive!

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

toosmartforyou said:

"@ Hank Pank

Find another PAC 12 Team that hangs hundreds of banners around town proclaiming their conference membership the way the Utes have done the past two years. It smacks of insecurity and over-compensation. But that's ok---some of us recognize it for what it is.

You're entitled to feel that the PAC 12 is better than sliced bread. (Really, it's ok.) I expect Gary Anderson to coach in the Rose Bowl before Kyle Whittingham. Utah will follow Arizona in that regard."

OSU hangs banners in Corvallis, Cal in Berkley, UW in Seattle, all with school & PAC 12 logos on them. Both UW & WSU fly a giant flag on the Space Needle.

You're entitled to feel that Independence is better than sliced bread. (Really, it's ok.) I expect Gary Anderson to coach in the Rose Bowl before BCS busting BYU & Bronco. BYU will follow Idaho in that regard."

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Two For Flinching said:

"@ toosmartforyou

-"UTAH has the smallest stadium (tied) in the PAC 12."

Wrong. Wazzu has the smallest with 33,000 seats.

-""When you have a REAL program, you'll have fans attending the games in mass numbers. Last year when I attended the BYU-Texas game Texas fans said there were more BYU fans in the stadium in Austin than Oklahoma fans when they play them."

You are not telling the truth. Texas and OU haven't played in Austin since 1923. They play every year in Dallas in the Cotton Bowl and the seats are split 50/50 between the two schools. Which means there are 45,000+ Oklahoma fans in attendance every single year. Whoops. I don't think REAL programs have to lie about attendance numbers.....""

Correct about WSU. They are going up to 42-45 thousand after the next round of renovations.

The Red River Rivalry between OU & TX is held during the Texas State Fair. That game always draws many OU fans. Games are always sold out. Those are REAL programs. BYU just masquerades as one.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Well of course BYU has the larger fanbase, it's the only D1 football LDS school in the nation when 1.7% of the US population is LDS. The study is not anything that should surprise anyone and previous studies have already shown a 2:1 ratio of BYU to Utah fans. Utah and Utah State basically have their fanbases limited to alumni. BYU would be the same if it didn't have this niche role.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

LOL! at the utah "fans", and a couple of aggie "fans" desperation and insecurity over this article. To quote one of the more pitiful utah "fans" around here "how frantic and emotional" of all of you, LOL! Love it!

Oh and for the utah "fans" that say BYU's popularity is because of the LDS church....duh. Of course it is. You realize people become fans of schools because they feel some sort of affiliation with that school. For instance many utah "fans" are fans simply because they live in the salt lake valley. No other reason, it isn't because they are "likeable" as one utah "fan" said about BYU, it is simply because they live here and utah is here. Most Texas fans are Texas fans because they are from Texas. Ditto every other school in the country.

What makes BYU unique is that their fans are ALL OVER the country. Their reason for being fans is of no consequence, all that matters is that they are fans.

Thanks for giving me another reason to laugh at you utah "fans"!

LOL!

tdlawton
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It is no surprise that Jeff Call and the Dnews (who owns the Dnews?) pumps out a post-season puff piece about BYU and its future...

It is no surprise that BYU fans (at least the most vocal ones) want to cling to this piece, they will "rally to the flag" if you will.

It is also no surprise that Ute fans roll their eyes and point out results like head-to-head record as well as various polls, season ticket sales, apparel sales, TV ratings, and the like that show that this idea that there are 2 or 3 BYU fans for every UofU fan is nonsense. That is certainly not the case in the SLC metro area.

BYU fans and their media shills go out and find strange internet polls.

BYU fans like to talk as if Utah has had or is about to have some sort of Crowton-esque collapse... Funny enough Utah has has a sell out every game over the last two years despite whatever the ups and downs on the field have been. Maybe a collapse of Ute fan support for the is coming, but it certainly has not arrived yet, has it?

Always 20/20
Gilbert, AZ

The survey I would like to see is the number of comments in the Dnews on BYU articles vs Utah articles. I'll bet it runs 10 to 1 in favor of BYU. Which shows even the Utes read articles about BYU, and of course they just can't resist posting a comment.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

Someone please tell me why I should really care about this either way? I grew weary of the "I'm more popular than you are!" debates in middle school. Look, the only way this matters in any tangible way is how it translates to dollars, and that doesn't have any direct effect on me as a fan. ESPN only exists to make money, and they obviosly think the Y is a good partner. That's great for me in that I'll be able to see almost every game, but beyond that, I'm baffled why these "studies" are relevant.

But, I'm sorry to interrupt . . please continue this important, era-defining debate. I can't wait to see which side wins, and thus to determine once and for all if BYU is "Awesome and Beloved" or "Irrelevant and Un-Awesome." Lemme know how that turns out.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

"The Poinsettia Bowl had the lowest viewership of all the first week of bowl games, drawing less than the New Mexico, and less than Utah State in the Potato Bowl (gasp!) If you want to draw a respected conclusion, use a scientific survey, not an online one."

"#18 USU got 2.8 million views during its bowl game. BYU got 2.2 million."

The Poinsettia Bowl was the only bowl during the first week of bowl games that took place on a weekday. I'm not going to say that this was the only reason for lower viewership, but it's not really surprising that people on the East coast wouldn't stay up late to watch a game when they had to get up for work the following day, is it?

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

32843
PROVO, UT
This has to be galling to Ute fans. I mean not only is BYU a national brand and one of the most popular programs in the nation, but it's the most popular team in Utah, too. Ute fans, don't hate us because we're more beautiful than you! LOL!!!

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LOL! if BYU is so popular then why did the Poinsettia Bowl get such poor ratings?

Poinsettia Bowl 2.2
Idaho Potato Bowl 2.8

LOL! More people are interested in USU than BYU.

sammyg
Springville, UT

WAC (USU) Paddled Your Utes

Your point about viewership numbers is pretty lame...
... especially when we know you and all the other Ute "fans" watched both bowl games!

LOL

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

sammyg finds it hard to accept the truth.
Get over it, The 2012 Poinsettia Bowl had its lowest ratings the past six years.
More people watched the USU game. Move along.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

sammyg said:

"Springville, UT
WAC (USU) Paddled Your Utes

Your point about viewership numbers is pretty lame...
... especially when we know you and all the other Ute "fans" watched both bowl games!

LOL"

Ok I will play your game. Let's say they did watch like you say. And if they did not watch, what would the ratings be?
The Poinsettia Bowl would be even worse!!!

How sad you would need Ute viewers to only get 2.2
Did any BYU fans watch the game?

LOL!

LadyMoon
Orlando, FL

As a Utah outsider, I can honestly say BYU is far more popular than that Ute school. Utah is seen as money grubbers, trying to cash in on the PAC-(10 thru 14) conference. Now that they've joined, they clearly have become the PAC equivilent of the old, 'UTEP of the WAC' -- the inconsequential little whipping boys. And with Utah, Arizona and ASU all combined in the PAC, maybe we should call them the "PAC-WAC rejects"!

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

LadyMoon
Orlando, FL
As a Utah outsider, I can honestly say BYU is far more popular than that Ute school. Utah is seen as money grubbers, trying to cash in on the PAC-(10 thru 14) conference. Now that they've joined, they clearly have become the PAC equivilent of the old, 'UTEP of the WAC' -- the inconsequential little whipping boys. And with Utah, Arizona and ASU all combined in the PAC, maybe we should call them the "PAC-WAC rejects"!

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If anyone is money grubbing its BYU. Shopping for a conference deal while holding on to their ho hum ratings ESPN contract.

What was it like to be San Jose State's whipping boy this past season?

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