LadyMoonOrlando, FLAs a Utah outsider, I can honestly say BYU is far
more popular than that Ute school. Utah is seen as money grubbers, trying to
cash in on the PAC-(10 thru 14) conference. Now that they've joined, they
clearly have become the PAC equivilent of the old, 'UTEP of the WAC'
-- the inconsequential little whipping boys. And with Utah, Arizona and ASU all
combined in the PAC, maybe we should call them the "PAC-WAC rejects"!_______________If anyone is money grubbing its BYU. Shopping
for a conference deal while holding on to their ho hum ratings ESPN contract.What was it like to be San Jose State's whipping boy this past
As a Utah outsider, I can honestly say BYU is far more popular than that Ute
school. Utah is seen as money grubbers, trying to cash in on the PAC-(10 thru
14) conference. Now that they've joined, they clearly have become the PAC
equivilent of the old, 'UTEP of the WAC' -- the inconsequential little
whipping boys. And with Utah, Arizona and ASU all combined in the PAC, maybe we
should call them the "PAC-WAC rejects"!
sammyg said:"Springville, UTWAC (USU) Paddled Your UtesYour point about viewership numbers is pretty lame... ...
especially when we know you and all the other Ute "fans" watched both
bowl games! LOL"Ok I will play your game. Let's
say they did watch like you say. And if they did not watch, what would the
ratings be?The Poinsettia Bowl would be even worse!!! How sad
you would need Ute viewers to only get 2.2Did any BYU fans watch the
sammyg finds it hard to accept the truth.Get over it, The 2012 Poinsettia
Bowl had its lowest ratings the past six years.More people watched the USU
game. Move along.
WAC (USU) Paddled Your UtesYour point about viewership numbers is
pretty lame... ... especially when we know you and all the other Ute
"fans" watched both bowl games! LOL
32843PROVO, UTThis has to be galling to Ute fans. I mean not only is
BYU a national brand and one of the most popular programs in the nation, but
it's the most popular team in Utah, too. Ute fans, don't hate us
because we're more beautiful than you! LOL!!!_____________________LOL! if BYU is so popular then why did the
Poinsettia Bowl get such poor ratings?Poinsettia Bowl 2.2Idaho
Potato Bowl 2.8LOL! More people are interested in USU than BYU.
"The Poinsettia Bowl had the lowest viewership of all the first week of bowl
games, drawing less than the New Mexico, and less than Utah State in the Potato
Bowl (gasp!) If you want to draw a respected conclusion, use a scientific
survey, not an online one.""#18 USU got 2.8 million views
during its bowl game. BYU got 2.2 million."The Poinsettia Bowl
was the only bowl during the first week of bowl games that took place on a
weekday. I'm not going to say that this was the only reason for lower
viewership, but it's not really surprising that people on the East coast
wouldn't stay up late to watch a game when they had to get up for work the
following day, is it?
Someone please tell me why I should really care about this either way? I grew
weary of the "I'm more popular than you are!" debates in middle
school. Look, the only way this matters in any tangible way is how it translates
to dollars, and that doesn't have any direct effect on me as a fan. ESPN
only exists to make money, and they obviosly think the Y is a good partner.
That's great for me in that I'll be able to see almost every game, but
beyond that, I'm baffled why these "studies" are relevant.But, I'm sorry to interrupt . . please continue this important,
era-defining debate. I can't wait to see which side wins, and thus to
determine once and for all if BYU is "Awesome and Beloved" or
"Irrelevant and Un-Awesome." Lemme know how that turns out.
The survey I would like to see is the number of comments in the Dnews on BYU
articles vs Utah articles. I'll bet it runs 10 to 1 in favor of BYU. Which
shows even the Utes read articles about BYU, and of course they just can't
resist posting a comment.
It is no surprise that Jeff Call and the Dnews (who owns the Dnews?) pumps out a
post-season puff piece about BYU and its future...It is no surprise
that BYU fans (at least the most vocal ones) want to cling to this piece, they
will "rally to the flag" if you will.It is also no surprise
that Ute fans roll their eyes and point out results like head-to-head record as
well as various polls, season ticket sales, apparel sales, TV ratings, and the
like that show that this idea that there are 2 or 3 BYU fans for every UofU fan
is nonsense. That is certainly not the case in the SLC metro area.BYU fans and their media shills go out and find strange internet polls.BYU fans like to talk as if Utah has had or is about to have some sort
of Crowton-esque collapse... Funny enough Utah has has a sell out every game
over the last two years despite whatever the ups and downs on the field have
been. Maybe a collapse of Ute fan support for the is coming, but it certainly
has not arrived yet, has it?
LOL! at the utah "fans", and a couple of aggie "fans"
desperation and insecurity over this article. To quote one of the more pitiful
utah "fans" around here "how frantic and emotional" of all of
you, LOL! Love it!Oh and for the utah "fans" that say
BYU's popularity is because of the LDS church....duh. Of course it is. You
realize people become fans of schools because they feel some sort of affiliation
with that school. For instance many utah "fans" are fans simply because
they live in the salt lake valley. No other reason, it isn't because they
are "likeable" as one utah "fan" said about BYU, it is simply
because they live here and utah is here. Most Texas fans are Texas fans because
they are from Texas. Ditto every other school in the country.What
makes BYU unique is that their fans are ALL OVER the country. Their reason for
being fans is of no consequence, all that matters is that they are fans. Thanks for giving me another reason to laugh at you utah
Well of course BYU has the larger fanbase, it's the only D1 football LDS
school in the nation when 1.7% of the US population is LDS. The study is not
anything that should surprise anyone and previous studies have already shown a
2:1 ratio of BYU to Utah fans. Utah and Utah State basically have their fanbases
limited to alumni. BYU would be the same if it didn't have this niche role.
Two For Flinching said:"@ toosmartforyou-"UTAH
has the smallest stadium (tied) in the PAC 12."Wrong. Wazzu has
the smallest with 33,000 seats.-""When you have a REAL
program, you'll have fans attending the games in mass numbers. Last year
when I attended the BYU-Texas game Texas fans said there were more BYU fans in
the stadium in Austin than Oklahoma fans when they play them."You are not telling the truth. Texas and OU haven't played in Austin
since 1923. They play every year in Dallas in the Cotton Bowl and the seats are
split 50/50 between the two schools. Which means there are 45,000+ Oklahoma fans
in attendance every single year. Whoops. I don't think REAL programs have
to lie about attendance numbers.....""Correct about WSU.
They are going up to 42-45 thousand after the next round of renovations.The Red River Rivalry between OU & TX is held during the Texas State
Fair. That game always draws many OU fans. Games are always sold out. Those are
REAL programs. BYU just masquerades as one.
toosmartforyou said:"@ Hank PankFind another PAC 12
Team that hangs hundreds of banners around town proclaiming their conference
membership the way the Utes have done the past two years. It smacks of
insecurity and over-compensation. But that's ok---some of us recognize it
for what it is. You're entitled to feel that the PAC 12 is
better than sliced bread. (Really, it's ok.) I expect Gary Anderson to
coach in the Rose Bowl before Kyle Whittingham. Utah will follow Arizona in that
regard."OSU hangs banners in Corvallis, Cal in Berkley, UW in
Seattle, all with school & PAC 12 logos on them. Both UW & WSU fly a
giant flag on the Space Needle. You're entitled to feel that
Independence is better than sliced bread. (Really, it's ok.) I expect Gary
Anderson to coach in the Rose Bowl before BCS busting BYU & Bronco. BYU will
follow Idaho in that regard."
Sometimes the pocket book is a real indication of fan support. The
Collegiate Licensing Company, which reports royalty rankings for college
merchandise sold for the year ended June 30, 2012 listed the following rankings
with surprising results.The University of Texas at Austin was lst.
Boise State was 37th. The University of Utah was 41st. BYU was 52nd.Both the U and BYU look good, but the one that is quite amazing is Boise
State. As a public school with a smaller alumni base, BSU actually has a much
bigger national fan base than generally credited, and it didn’t get the
ranking by selling all of its merchandise to the 600,000 metro Boise population.
Sometimes the pocket book is a real indication of fan support. Note the
following information:ATLANTA, Ga., (July 31, 2012) –The
Collegiate Licensing Company (CLC), a division of IMG College, today announced
its annual list of top-selling institutions and manufacturers. These rankings
represent royalties reported July 1, 2011 through June 30, 2012 on all
collegiate merchandise sold on behalf of CLC-represented institutions.1. University of Texas at Austin37. Boise State University41.
University of Utah52. Brigham Young UniversityBoth the U and
BYU look good, but the one that stands out is Boise State. As a smaller public
school, BSU actually has a much bigger national following than given credit by
the local press. You can find their merchandise all across the country and they
obviously didn’t get their ranking by selling all of its merchandise to
the 600,000 metro Boise population. By the way, the royalties from the sales
all go to fund student scholarships. Quite impressive!
@ toosmartforyou-"UTAH has the smallest stadium (tied) in the
PAC 12."Wrong. Wazzu has the smallest with 33,000 seats.-"When you have a REAL program, you'll have fans attending the
games in mass numbers. Last year when I attended the BYU-Texas game Texas fans
said there were more BYU fans in the stadium in Austin than Oklahoma fans when
they play them."You are not telling the truth. Texas and OU
haven't played in Austin since 1923. They play every year in Dallas in the
Cotton Bowl and the seats are split 50/50 between the two schools. Which means
there are 45,000+ Oklahoma fans in attendance every single year. Whoops. I
don't think REAL programs have to lie about attendance numbers.....
@ Hank PankNice try. One has to love your out-of-context
interpretation. The comment had nothing to do with s teams past
successes (National Championship vs Two BCS Wins) but has to do with feeling the
need to justify themselves being in a particular conference. Everyone knows
that Utah was #12 of 12 in the PAC 12 and that if the Big 12 had imploded, as
Larry tried to get them to do, the PAC 12 would be the PAC 16 WITHOUT Utah. When
you're feelinbg smug about it I suggest you just remember that Colorado
(your new rival) was #11 of 12. Find another PAC 12 Team that hangs
hundreds of banners around town proclaiming their conference membership the way
the Utes have done the past two years. It smacks of insecurity and
over-compensation. But that's ok---some of us recognize it for what it is.
You're entitled to feel that the PAC 12 is better than sliced
bread. (Really, it's ok.) I expect Gary Anderson to coach in the Rose
Bowl before Kyle Whittingham. Utah will follow Arizona in that regard.
Cougar fans must be thrilled. It would be great if this was a scientific
survey. I am certain that ESPN did not use it to justify their faith in BYU,
but used actual Nielsen rating data. That is what BYU fans should be thrilled
"Here in Vancouver when I mention BYU to someone, they always say "Go
Cougars" (and not the WAZZU kind)!"Oh so you mean the
@Why would I?BYU's larger fan base is due to the LDS Church.
Nobody is disputing that, except, ironically, BYU fans, who think that it is due
to BYU just being much more likable and successful around the country regardless
of the LDS affiliation.Again, BYU's fan base is the loyalty of
the LDS members. Nothing more. Nothing less. I am active LDS myself, so it
doesn't bother me. But facts are facts.I do think it is rather
funny, illogical, and rather pointless, to argue with Utes fans when you have
been beaten by the Utes 4 out of the last 5 times. And, again, the loyalty to
the LDS Church is the reason for the larger fan base. Trust me, it has nothing,
absolutely nothing, to do with BYU being so much more likable, successful, or
whatever. Sorry, that's the way it is.
re: toosmartforyou 12/24 @ 15:07 p.m.**...no ohter conference school
feels the need to "justify" themselves to such a point.** Like bringing up 1984 ad naseum ad infinitum, perhaps?
Here in Vancouver when I mention BYU to someone, they always say "Go
Cougars" (and not the WAZZU kind)!
@ Y Grad / Y Dad 12:02 p.m. Dec. 24, 2012"And yet, here you are,
again, on your rival's board, declaiming anything positive. Most teams, and
their fans, would be content to beat their rival and then move on. U, though,
had nothing to move on to."Semantics are funny, but, this a
story about byu on the DN's website. Your claim only holds validity if the
domain were owned exclusively by byu and/or their athletic dept."we here at the Y have our few obnoxious fans" Few? There
is an understatement.
Utes Fantoosmart's posts make sense, if you bother to get the
facts, at least regardig the size of the stadium.Why would I think
maybe Larry was blind-sided when he thought Colorado residents, who love the
Nuggetts, Broncos and Rockies, and Utah residents, who love the Jazz and the
Cougars, would produce a big TV market for the PAC 12? It was juast wishful
thinking on his part, but isn't anywhere close to being the truth.Sorry, that's the way it is.
Here in Spokane when I mention BYU to someone, they always say "BY Who?"
@The A GameYour comments are the only ones that have any sense or
intelligence at all here. Seems that logic and reason are sorely
The survey and ESPN's Joe Shad sum things up best. I know its painful for
the Utah trolls, but B.Y.U. has a national fan base thanks to Lavell who put
them on the map. ESPN knows it and that is why they signed the deal with B.Y.U.
So I guess B.Y.U. is not that irrelevant after all.
I'm certain that if we count the number of banners hanging from light poles
in SLC then Utah is indeed the PAC 12 champion, as no ohter conference school
feels the need to "justify" themselves to such a point.
Something everyone seemed to either ignore, discount or forget is the capacity
of the home stadiums and the over-all attendance figures for a completed
season.USU couldn't get 18,000 fans into their stadium for each
of the last 3 games this season when they had the best record in the
school's history.UTAH has the smallest stadium (tied) in the
PAC 12.BYU consistently has more fans, yes---even when Crowton was
flushing the program, by the thousands at each home game that the Ute stadium
even holds.When you have a REAL program, you'll have fans
attending the games in mass numbers. Last year when I attended the BYU-Texas
game Texas fans said there were more BYU fans in the stadium in Austin than
Oklahoma fans when they play them.It's OK to repeat the 8 - 3
record the last 11 games, Ute fans, and the 54 - 10 blow-out in Provo, and your
two BCS victories, but over time your program is currently regressing. The PAC
12 is more than you can handle and historically you have no Heisman Winner, no
National Championship, far fewer fans and trail BYU in MWC Crowns. Some
Worf, I could see that - having a recently had a conversation at an Uptown
sports bar (Frankie's) I had someone describe Utah as "the blue and
white Mormon school that used to put out lots of QB's right?" I really wish my cousin (the only Utah grad I've ever met) had been
around for that...
Byu has also been ranked as one of the more disliked teams. This years game was
my first pleasant trip to Provo. But I've also had plenty of experiences
that were "other than pleasant"
Bro, chill out. See, I can act like I'm cool too. So I'm being
negative by saying that Utah beat BYU, huh? I think you take offense very
easily, bro. And you apparently need to read other articles, bro. Utah State was
named the best team in the state, bro. Maybe if you could read, you would get it
bro. Like I said, I don't discount BYU's win against them. So you
shouldn't discount Utah's win either bro. I'm not
"hyping" anything, just stating that a bigger fan base doesn't make
a better team. I didn't know that such a simple concept was so difficult to
understand. And just so we're clear, you're saying that just because
I'm an Aggie fan commenting on a BYU article that I'm trolling?
Sounds to me like somebody is trying to act younger than their age by using hip
I'll stand by my opinion there are very few real Utes fans, mostly just BYU
All these Utes fans are talking about when was the last time a BYU team had a
big win, well when was the last time Utah won a big game besides BYU? Alabama
five years ago. Utah will never win another conference title, just like
Arizona, after they left the WAC in the 70's, in fact Utah didn't win
as many MWC titles as BYU did.
The A GameSandy, UTThanks for the perspective, bro. So you
are worse than a Ute troll, you are an Aggie troll, hyping the Utah victory
because they accomplished what the Aggies could not - beat BYU.So
the other "fact", bro, is indeed that Utah State is the best team in the
state of Utah, except that BYU beat them.Actually, I have no beef
against Utah State. Sorry about your coach, but I think he left things in a
condition that a good new coach should be able to build upon this years'
success. If you read your own boards when you aren't trolling, you will
acknowledge that I have spoken very highly of all things football and Utah
State.But, if, by chance, the other Blue team slips back to
mediocrity, I will be pleased to remember you.
FAN - 2.) A person who has a strong interest in a particular sport.Seems to me there are a lot of Utes and Aggies who are really fans of BYU
based on the above definition.
How did Utah do in the Pac12 this year?How did they do in their bowl
game?How many games did they play on ESPN or high-ranking networks?
Does anyone know who Jabari Parker voted for? Just curious?
Y Dad,I guess some thing's don't change. I think you
should read before you comment. So do yourself a favor and scroll up a bit where
I clearly say I'm not a Ute fan. And just so you understand the meaning of
trolling, saying Utah beat BYU is not trolling. It's just a fact bro. I
don't discount BYU's win over Utah State (who I root for since you
apparently haven't understood that yet) even though Utah State was named
the best team in Utah. Those are facts too. No need to overreact. But claiming
Utah is "little brother" to BYU based on fan base is pretty silly in my
opinion. But what do we non-BYU fans know about sports, right?
Do we really need a survey to know this? BYU draws its base of students from
around the country and its graduates settle in places around the country. Utah
and Utah State are really just commuter schools.
As the LDS Church continues to expand outside the intermountain west, BYU fandom
will grow. The recent election and focus on Mormon candidates and the dozens of
articles around the world greatly increased exposure. BYU's long bowl
history has increased awareness and a established a degree of respect. So BYU is
a good gamble for ESPN.I like independence and the freedom to play
around the country. I loved going to Ole Miss and had a great time with the
thousands of other BYU fans who enjoyed the fantastic Southern hospitality in
the Grove. Not so much in San Diego as the local papers blame every loss to BYU
on (1) officials, (2) player age and maturity. So while we have fun in far
venues, it doesn't mean that we're loved by everyone. But we are
recognized and usually respected. And hated by BYU's many victims.University of Utah? Who cares? Nobody cares about Utah anymore than, say,
Iowa, or Mississippi State. They've heard the name - that's about it.
For a couple million Mormons? They care about BYU. Big time.
0-12 Just a reminder to all the ute fans of their basketball record
against BYU for the last 12 games. Or I can include 13 games, 1-13. Or do you
all stop watching sports after football is over. If so, sorry your sports
season was so short this year.
I've lived in Dallas for 20 years. No one mentions Utah football, unless
it's to in a discussion about Urban Meyer. If there's a mention of
the state and football, the next thing out of their mouth is a question about
BYU, and it's either about history of the QBs or the honor code... For a
non-Rockies state, there are comparatively a fair number of LDS people in Texas
around big cities. 18-20 stakes in metro Dallas/Ft.Worth alone.
The A GameSandy, UTMussing With U,"Yeah I'm
sure a lot of Utah fans are "jealous" that they beat your team this
year, yet again."And yet, here you are, again, on your
rival's board, declaiming anything positive. Most teams, and their fans,
would be content to beat their rival and then move on. U, though, had nothing
to move on to.I do assume that if and when there is anything
positive to say about Utah football, we here at the Y have our few obnoxious
fans that have to be there to try to put it down. I really don't know,
because I don't have the interest or time to go to a Utah story unless
congratulations are in order.But seriously, isn't it
embarrasing to be in the same class as the BYU fans that troll YOUR articles?
WalMart is a popular brand peddling inferior products. Just like Cougar
football!#3 team in the Pacific Northwest? No way!UW, WSU, UO
& OSU all have more fans up here than BYU. In addition, there are more ND
& USC fans up here than BYU fans. What a joke. Do a real poll. Numbers work
against BYU based on members of the church anyway. They are outnumbered up
here.Interesting to read the posts here. It's more important to
be popular (allegedly) than actually compete on the field. No wonder so many BYU
fans are happy with an 8-5 season. I bet some of them here participated and
clicked the survey several times.
People like us. I knew it!Go Cougars Baby!!!
Is there really an argument here from what seem to be Utah fans talking about
meaningless bowl games? So often I see on these boards people gloating about
Utah's bowl record in comparison to BYU's. Yes, BYU has a losing
record in bowl games and Utah has a winning record and had a long bowl game
winning streak. What people forget to point out it that the majority of
BYU's bowl games were when not many teams went to bowl games and the
quality of bowl opponents were normally of a higher caliber. Utah's however
happened in the era of "everyone gets a trophy for playing the season."
Of that bowl streak they had going only 2 were more than a participation award.
Enough already....most of the postings are from Ute fans who are anti-Mormon
bigots or BYU fans who think all Utah fans are drunks and are a little self
righteous. This is why I won't miss the rivalry game.
Don't be bitter Ute Fans, after all, you're in a really big
conference. People everywhere want to see the Cougars, if only to pull for
their opponents. Now that we do not play confeence games, the fans treat us
great where ever we go. Even better, next year we won't have Riley so
good things might happen..unless of course Bronco finds a new pet that
can't play but really likes to be around the head coach all the time.
Hey student,You cannot really compare ratings of a Saturday game to
a Thursday night game. Lets see what ratings this Thursdays games produce and
them maybe we can have a conversation. Still in the end BYU was in a bowl game
that they had to secure on their own without the benefit of conference
affiliation. All in all, I am happy with their bowl situation and expect it to
improve going forward.
worfMcallen, TXHere in Texas, when some one says Utah
football,---it's BYU they think about with Utah State a distant second._____________________________Well in Minnesota, Wisconsin
and Illinois, when someone says Utah football,---they say, "Go Utes."
And I think we can all agree in Wisconsin, Utah State has gained some
It's the sign of a weak and terribly damaged ego to hate another's
Rockwell,Now that I'm laughing harder than I was before reading
your comment, I just wanted to let you know that I'm not a Ute fan. See
the screen name? The A game, as in Aggies. However, I have nothing wrong with
pointing out illogical statements regarding BYU vs. Utah. Yep BYU went bowling,
yep they won. And Utah played BYU, and Utah won. Would you not say the same
about Utah State vs. BYU? Utah State ended up top 20, BYU didn't come
close, but BYU beat Utah State. Are you jealous of Utah State then? Are you
beginning to understand now? If I was a Ute fan, trust me, I would not be
What a great Christmas gift! Love it! Let's keep growing, can't wait
for games next year in South Bend and Madison. Go Cougars. Thanks ESPN for
the boost to Independence.
Thanks DNews for a boost after a tough season.
#18 USU got 2.8 million views during its bowl game. BYU got 2.2 million.
Where's the LDS/Deseret News writer who said USU would never get better tv
ratings during a bowl? Is he going to eat crow? I doubt it -- especially since
the same organization that owns this publication also owns the school he likely
Who are you sir? BYU fans seem to have an identity that does not require
plastering their vehicles and license plates with multiple PAC 12 and Ute logos.
It's rather high school to this Utah alumnus.
The A GameDon't kid yourself.We all know Utah fans
are EXTREMELY jealous that BYU finished in the Top 25 last season, while Utah
didn't get a single vote in either poll, and that Utah fans are even more
jealous that BYU won a bowl game this year, while the Utes didn't even
sniff a bowl, except for the couch potato bowl.BYU beat TWO
conference champions and a BCS conference division winner. Who did U beat?Ya, we know.Now you're beginning to understand.Even in losing, BYU provided Utah's ONLY relevant wins since
joining the PAC.
Teleste: in what sport? Basketball? Womens soccer or volleyball? track
& field? baseball? you've had a nice 10 year run in football, but
that will soon enough change. Utah is and always has been a nice one sport
school. Right now its football. It used to be basketball.
So let me get this straight...In a down season, Jeff Call is looking for
something to feel good about....How about a popularity contest! Not a win loss
record the way athletics are actually measured, but some kind of self-esteem
trophy everybody gets for participating. And who is surprised by this survey?
Nobody who understands that it was focused on high concentration areas of LDS in
the Country...and is it news? Of course not. LDS love to support BYU, and
whatever other schools they attend. That's terrific. It's a good
school, and LDS should be proud of it...and there's a lot of LDS, and the
world is looking at them right now...And who becomes the voice of BYU fandom? Oh
boy, SammyG. Embarrassing. With great exposure comes great responsibility. If
the fans would only step up and be as classy as say Air Force, or Notre Dame;
then the world would grant the school a little more respect. (and yes, I have
been to a lot of games at both those places and the fans are impressive) To BYU
Fans: remember who you are and what you represent.
Don't hate us because we promote self relevance. Gotta feel good about
Mussing With U,Yeah I'm sure a lot of Utah fans are
"jealous" that they beat your team this year, yet again. It
doesn't really matter what points you bring up, BYU still lost to Utah.
I'd like to see you change that fact.
Some people are also mistakenly thinking "voters" are byu alumni. As I
stated, that is simply not the case. The response to the survey was from members
of the LDS church, not from byu alumnus scattered around the U.S.Many, byu fans outside of Utah, don't even know where Provo is, let alone
can claim they have ever set foot on the campus of byu. They are "fans"
of the LDS church, so therefore, fans of byu. That is a distinction that must be
OK...so BYU is beloved in the state of Utah (surprise surprise), and has a
pretty decent national following. Great. But why is it that most BYU fans I
speak to seem to be pretty disappointed in how things are going and are not
thrilled with their coach, current direction, and the liklihood of a BCS bowl
game or a (legitimate)national championship? Yet, when I speak to most Ute fans
they had a pretty good time, all things considered, last year as USC and other
national programs CAME TO UTAH for games. Get excited about independence,
popularity, etc. - ultimately these statistics do not translate to wins or trips
to BCS games. I've said it time and time again - I would much rather have
some down years, with an occasional undefeated season and trip to a BCS game
than consistent meaningless 8-10 win seasons capped with a boring win over SDSU.
6-3 half time score? Really? I guess Lark wasn't all everyone thought he
was cracked up to be.Get over yourselves BYU fans. Enjoy your
mediocrity and meaningless bowl games. Don't get too excited about silly
polls like this. 8 of 11 folks. 8 of 11.
From junk geek: "I'd like to see a survey that . . . used a solid
methodology, and excluded BYU graduates."Say what? Sounds like
a Texas A&M grad school project!
Poor jealous Uties. Always pounding their chests about beating an
"irrelevant former rival."The truth is, one game does not a
season make and our jealous little brothers just can't get over the fact
the overall records and higher rankings always truth head-to-head matchups.Since BYU became Independent and Utah joined the PAC2011BYU - Top 25, 10-3Utah - unranked, 8-52012BYU - 8-5,
bowl winnerUtah - 5-7, no bowlOverallBYU 18-8Utah
13-12BYU = well-respected national brandUtah = fading local
Polls tell us a little. Checks from ESPN tell us a lot. BYU hasn't caved on
independence and isn't likely to as long as they are getting five or six
big national or regional games each season. As far as merchandise sales in Utah
go, those with an inferiority complex always try to over-compensate.
This is a pretty damaging study, actually. #5 in the DFW market, a market with
little interest in college football outside Texas, A&M, and Oklahoma (and
even or Texas Tech)? #2 in Tucson? What, did you expect to be #1? All this
shows is that BYU has some alumni spread out over the landscape -- not that it
has a following. (I guarantee that if BYU and Texas were playing at the same
time on separate channels in DFW, the BYU ratings would so far below Texas'
that you couldn't even see them.)I'd like to see a survey
that wasn't self-selecting (web surveys are usually dismissed out-of-hand),
used a solid methodology, and excluded BYU graduates. That'd be the real
sign of BYU's national following, if it existed.
The Poinsettia Bowl had the lowest viewership of all the first week of bowl
games, drawing less than the New Mexico, and less than Utah State in the Potato
Bowl (gasp!) If you want to draw a respected conclusion, use a scientific
survey, not an online one.
@MountanmanLucky for you that you can find Utah vs BYU games. I
hope you enjoyed the the games as much as I did. Specially the the last quarter
when the Muss tried to give the game away, and you still couldn't beat a
bad Utah team.
Interesting to contemplate the discussion about Utah versus BYU gear. If you
have a "U" on your car is says "I support a secular university
football team but I am saying nothing about my values, beliefs, religion,
etc." If you have a "Y" on your car I think most people would agree
that a person is projecting a little more than simply support for a football
team. I know a lot of folks that are cougar fans but given how polarized Utah
is about religion, just don't want to go down that path. I also know a lot
of folks who use their support for the Utes (and contempt for BYU) as a metaphor
for their hatred of mormons or the LDS church.
Wow, talk about a slow news day. The fact this article is printed as
"news" is amazing. With the LDS church having members living in these
areas, and many of them "voting" for byu as their favorite team, and
then reporting it as "news", is a new twist on an old tale.I'll bet the same "survey" could reveal most "voters" are
repuplican, women don't wear pants to church and list green jello, with
shredded carrots, as a favorite food item. Also, I'll bet in mqny of these
places the local ward basketball team would be listed ahead of Utah, Utah State,
or Weber State as a favorite team, so what is the relevence.That is
the laughable part. The cougar nation mistakenly believes exposure means
relevence. Just because members of the lds church vote for byu as a favorite
team, or the games are on espn, doesn't make it any more relevent, or
surprising, than the catholics listing Notre Dame as their favorite team.
Biggest and most smartest fanbase in the USA.
Oh and by the way, I remember watching the Utah/BYU game on TV (the only Utah
game I could find on national TV all season) and what did the entire nation see
at the end of the game? Ute fans storming on to the field before time expired
and then caught on camera and broadcast for the entire nation to see, a drunk
Ute,cursing out Bronco Mendenhall as he walked off the field! Embarrassing!
From the Common Consensus Sports Survey, "Important: this map is highly
inaccurate and should be understood only as a demonstration, and not as any kind
of reliable data yet."Jeff Call should be embarrassed to publish such
subjective material. Just read his bio and you will know why he wrote this
Who am I sir?Cottonwood Heights, UTI do know Utah license plates
outnumber Y plates by something like 3:1IF true, that's just a
measure of arrogance. Or, proves how easy it is to get into the U.
I would have enjoyed watching a few Utah football games on TV but every time I
looked for a Utah game on TV, all I could find was BYU games. I enjoyed watching
the Poinsettia Bowl very much, especially the last quarter. Couldn't find
Utah in a bowl game though for some reason.
I once had a statistics class that on the first day the professor gave us the
following example: If you put one foot in a bucket of ice water and the other in
a bucket of boiling water statically you would be just right, and then he added,
but we all know this is not truly the case. The key statement in this article
was "not scientific". No doubt that BYU has a popular fan base here in
Utah among the LDS faithful and in some other areas with a large concentrations
of the LDS membership. Then a lot depends on how you define "National",
is it two percent or .0002 percent of the public. Until you scientifically
define your terms, to say it is a national brand may be just as much a stretch
of the stats as my professors example above.
Let BYU be popular. They. Still. Can't. Beat. Utah.
Ok admit it-how many people went to the website to see if you could click on
YOUR team multiple times? I know I did :)
BenhurFirst, cool screen name.Pretty sure this is a
survey of what is, not what was. Not in denial; fan loyalty rises and falls
with success on the field. Trust me, I used to be a Mariners and Seahawks
fan.But I think the present level of fan-dom must have a higher
degree of patience for the success you are missing. Or perhaps they (we) have a
greater number of measures of success, such as "BYU accomplished all this
with a bunch of returned missionaries."Whatever the reason, I
think most fans are willing to cut the team, and the coach, a higher degree of
slack than you indicate. And it's okay, some fans come and go, and come
again. If you need a mental health time-out, again, I understand.And yes, loyal Ute fans, I understand this survey may not have a degree of
statistical validity that pleases you. But for what it's worth, I
wasn't contacted, nor did I search it out and vote once, let alone multiple
I know, stubborn important facts such as beating the WAC champions, who defeated
Utah, beating the Mountain West Co-champions in a bowl game, and oh yeah,
getting to go to a bowl game and winning it, and oh yeah, having a winning
season. It must suck to be a Ute fan when you have to look at BYU whom you
constantly deride as a rare quality win in a rather disappointing season, and
then console yourself by trolling on a cougar thread to make the same tired
jabs. Important facts indeed.
worfMcallen, TXHere in Texas, when some one says Utah
football,---it's BYU they think about with Utah State a distant second.-----------Not if you're a Texas football recruit,
current roster's with Texas players:Utah 17BYU 5Utah State 3
Well, we all know there are many "fair weather" fans, so how great will
BYU's support be when they have a great season!"Who Am I
Sir" - Yes, Utah is ahead of BYU in merchandising, but CLC, who tracks
college merchandising doesn't release the dollar amounts, so for all we
know Utah sold $100 more than BYU in the last fiscal year. Kind of a meaningless
statistic without more info. I'm sure we can find meaningless statistics to
prove anything, but BYU's national support is real and it seems unlikely
Utah will ever have that. That national support is why BYU can make independence
work and Utah would not be able to!I'm really beginning to like
independence, I know it is a scheduling problem and I don't like the
inconvenient game times, but how cool is it that only five teams had more TV
exposure this year than BYU and BYU got to play Notre Dame! I would rather play
Notre Dame once every three years than play Utah every year!
I used to be a rabid BYU football fan. It has been too many years since
they've had anything to get excited about. The 80's are ancient
history. Nothing on the horizon except mediocrity. Don't think the
"strong national fan base" likes to be be embarrassed regularly on
national TV. Probably a lot of those fans (like me) are ready to move on to
other interests, or other more entertaining teams(even Mormons).
The exposure for the church is nice. However, it would be nice if BYU could
actually win a big game sometime. The last one I can think of is OU a few years
back and that was because the QB got knocked out of the game. BYU football
seems like a shadow of its former self. It is down right boring to watch now.
Lose to the ones you are supposed to lose to and win the ones you are supposed
to win (sometimes just barely.) There is really not a whole lot on the horizon
for BYU in terms of upsetting anyone.
Vast national fan base... Utah popularity... Yet no major conference
in the country will touch BYU with a ten foot pole.
P.P.S. Mormons also can cheer for the U of U. It is actually possible.....They
must have played fair though and only pressed the button once
Was the survey very scientific? No. But is anyone actually blind enough to
believe that only "Mormons hit the vote key multiple times?" (CalNative)
Is there some sort of propensity that Mormons have to voting multiple times that
other religions do not? This is indeed a very big news event CalNative! Mormons
alone have the ability to vote multiple times! I never knew. I am sure that a
few pagans in [insert state] hit the vote button multiple times for the school
they support. P.S. lots of surveys allow multiple votes.....eg Davey
O'Brian award.....There must have been a lot of Mormons using that
exclusive multiple voting ability they have in 81,83,90,91.
I don't remember voting! I don't believe I was asked?.... It shows
you can find some statistics to prove anything. I do know Utah license plates
outnumber Y plates by something like 3:1. I also know that Utah merchandise
sales was something like 10 spots ahead of BYU. Perhaps these results are not
contradictory? Perhaps there are more cougar fans yet Utah fans support their
team by spending money. (Remember LaVells famous quote about the $20 bill and
the word of wisdom while attending the Las Vegas bowl.)I hope fans
of both schools are happy and proud of their teams standing in the athletic
community. I know I am - PAC-12!
I have a great deal of respect for the other football programs in Utah. However,
they will always just have a regional fan base being that they are state
universities that serve mainly in state students. The compilation of wins
doesn't equate to lack of popularity. Notre Dame kept its national fan base
even through its decade or more of lousy teams. Therefore, BYU will ride out its
current rough patch.I have no doubt that the University of Utah's football
team will improve over time in the PAC 12. However, BYU will always lead the
Utes and other teams in the state of Utah in national exposure and popularity.
Wow, I am shocked Chris B. has not weighed in on this one yet. No bowl game and
now this. Maybe the Mayans may have had it right for a lot of Ute fans. This
has to feel like the end of the world.
Here in Texas, when some one says Utah football,---it's BYU they think
about with Utah State a distant second.
BARF! Cougar fans also rated the most obnoxious fans in college sports, no to
proud of that one are we? "Our QB (regardless of who it is) is going to be
a Heisman candidate" how often do we hear that? Oh yea, every year at the
beginning of the season!
Unfortunately having a larger fan base hasn't translating to beating crappy
Ho, ho, ho!Can't wait to see the 'official response'
by multiple messengers on this one!Merry Christmas Utes.BYU fans knew this all along. Now it's official!LOL
32843,Yet BYU lost to Utah this year.....again. Too bad all of those
fans don't change the real facts that actually matter. LOL!!!
Most bogus survey ever, non scientific, allowed multiple votes. That it is even
featured as some journalistic news with Mormons hitting the vote key multiple
times is idiotic.
This has to be galling to Ute fans. I mean not only is BYU a national brand and
one of the most popular programs in the nation, but it's the most popular
team in Utah, too. Ute fans, don't hate us because we're more
beautiful than you! LOL!!!