BYU football: Kyle Van Noy, Cougar D take over in Poinsettia Bowl win


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  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 21, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    Agree MJB. Fixing the O-line begins with the O-line coach. O-line coach and OC are two areas I expect will see a change during the off-season.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    Offensive line. Offensive line. Offensive line.
    That is what we need to give enough time for our excellent receivers the time to get open.

  • Ptvogel Herndon, VA
    Dec. 21, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Great game! Stayed up late, EST, to watch, and glad I did! 4th quarter action was the best.
    Totally agree with everyone about Bronco: WE DO NOT NEED A NEW COACH! We do need a new OC and a QB.
    I think it's telling that Bronco's defensive scheme includes players like KVN, Ziggy, and Brandon Ogletree, all of whom made a HUGE difference last night, during the season, and will likely be early picks in NFL!

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 12:00 p.m.

    The game could not have gone better to shut up the Bronco critics. His defense was superb, his halftime adjustments were even better, the replacement QB Lark was somewhere between mediocre to OK, showing why coaches consistently believed Riley gave the team a better chance to win, and special teams in the second half was nearly perfect.

    KVN deserves all the credit he is getting for his historic performance and a first round NFL draft pick, but Bronco has sealed his legacy with Lavell as the two best coaches in BYU history. Hope he stays for many more years. I trust him completely to make any changes in the offseason that he believes are necessary to advance the program. But cut him some slack.....he's earned it.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    "Two teams from the State of Utah WON their respective bowl games this year. What about the third team?"


    Oh, you mean that crummy Pac-12 team that beat BYU, again? Thanks for the memories.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 11:34 a.m.


    What game were you watching? Lark's accuracy no better than Nelson's? When he had time to set his feet he was extremely accurate. He was nearly 60% on third down conversions behind the worst interior line play I've seen all year and against arguably the best 30 stack team and coach in the country. He showed a quick release and velocity on his throws and overall made good reads for a QB starting his second game in seven years.

    Give up on plays? I think you're confusing protecting the football with "giving up on plays". If Nelson had played that game for BYU against that defense, he would have served up ten turnovers.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 21, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    Predictably, San Diego media and fans are whining that they got ripped off by the refs and replay officials again, and reciting their own distorted version of "replay gate". They are citing the illegal block on the pic-6 that was called back and the end-zone fumble. Looking at the replays, I can be persuaded that the block started up high and should not hav been called. However the interception itself was enabled by a complete mugging by the defender on our receiver prior to the ball arriving--clearly pass interference--that the official totally missed.

    The end zone call was correct. The QB's body might have been moving forward but his arm WAS NOT.

    SDSU fans and media have always been terrible sportsmen and sore losers, especially when it comes to BYU. It is always good to clean their clocks in any sport.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    Why Would I?

    It's not like Nelson lost every game he played. He had some big wins including a bowl win where the offense actually played decently. This game was not won because Lark or the offense played well. The defense played out of its mind scoring two touchdowns directly and giving the offense a short field for its other touchdown. Great punting stifled San Diego State because of field position setting up the defense. Lark deserved the start but as I said a few weeks ago, don't expect him to lead the team up and down the field because New Mexico State was horrible. That's basically what happened. But, let's take the win for sure!

  • manutd San Diego, CA
    Dec. 20, 2012 11:46 p.m.

    great game,

    van noy is the man. i hope he sticks around. wishful thinking though. didnt realize hoffman is also considering leaving?

    half the play book needs to go it seems, along with doman. next years schedule is exciting, but also extremely challenging. i hope we are up for it.

  • Why would I? Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 11:45 p.m.

    @ eagle

    A "W" is a "W" and I'll take it, regardless of how lethargic and uninspiring the play was in the first half. Why wouldn't I be happy?

    When BYU went ahead for the first time in the 4th quarter, I remarked "If you're going to be ahead, the 4th quarter is the time to do it."

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 11:17 p.m.

    By beating the Aztecs tonight BYU has averted the Mayan apocalypse!

    Mark it down! LOL

    Nice way to end the season Cougars, enjoyed it much. Hope Kyle and Cody stick around another season.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Lark had two picks not one and didn't play that great but I guess good enough to keep most Coug fans happy. I guess it wasn't New Mexico State out there.

    Van Noy and Sorensen were the MVP's of this game as punting pinned the Aztecs down and Van Noy was incredible. Perhaps Lark is better than Nelson but I'm not going out on a limb and say BYU is 13-0 if he would have played all year. When he played a good defense he looked, can I say it, Nelson-esque. The Aztecs could have easily had two more picks for pick sixes and those came against Lark. Lark deserved a shot and got the W and it was a good decision to go with Lark over an injured Nelson but let's not call him the second coming of Max Hall or whatever because the won the bowl game because again this was won by the foot of the punter and stellar defense led by Van Noy.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    Bronco and the defense (esp KVN) deserve credit for the win tonight. Offensive play calling was atrocious! O-line pass blocking --C Run blocking--F.

    Lark was NOT the savior that many have touted him to be. His accuracy was no better than Nelson's and if he is flushed from the pocket, he gives up on the play. Chalk it up to inexperience, but still he wasn't able to demonstrate in my mind that he is clearly the superior QB.

    Lance Reynolds announced his retirement tonight. I predict that Bronco will "promote" Doman to Asst Head Coach and get a new OC from outside with some experience. He doesn't have to be LDS, but they will have to match his salary. I really like Doman and have been a defender of his for 2 years now, but after this game I am finally convinced there needs to be a change at the OC.

    One last thing. I would think you could go to any high school in Utah and find a kid who can kick the football through the uprights most of the time. Please, Bronco, make this a priority this summer. What we have now is ridiculous.

  • Pa. Reader Harrisburg, PA
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Bronco is a GREAT defensive coach.
    He can be a great head coach, but that will only happen if he develops loyalty to his entire team and the overall program that trumps his loyalty to a few chosen friends. (Riley's gone now. Let's hope Bronco learned his lesson from that fiasco, even if he won't admit the error of his ways.)
    By all accounts, Doman is a good recruiter and quarterback coach. Let him succeed in those roles.
    But if he is back as OC, next year will be another nightmare.
    Bronco's defense can sometimes carry the day against decent teams from mid-major conferences. (Wins tonight and against Utah State, an embarrassing loss at San Jose State.) But without a great offense to match the defense, BYU will never win consistently vs. elite competition.
    The ball's in Tom Holmoe's court now. We'll soon learn whether he's content to stay the course of mediocrity.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:33 p.m.


    You still need a new coach? What, exactly, are you looking for? Mendenhall is a very good coach. Maybe you remember when BYU had a guy named Crowton? BYU isn't exactly lighting it up on offense right now and that's difficult for BYU fans who grew up watching the ultra-high powered offense of Norm Chow in the 1980s. But the defense is pretty amazing. I've been watching BYU for about 25 years and I've never seen it this good. So it all depends on what you want. But I remember when BYU fans were ripping on LaVell for being too old and washed up. Be careful what you wish for.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    Where is Chris B when you need a good laugh? Oh yeah, he only comments when BYU loses or when he thinks BYU will lose....

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:28 p.m.

    Great win by the Cougars, Van Noy is a beast! I wish him luck in the NFL. Glad that Bronco stuck with Lark, he deserved it. Not his best game, but I really feel that he could have been a very good QB for BYU If he had been given more playing time and more practice reps instead of sitting the bench for three years. Great punting game by Stephenson, he seriously kept SDSU pinned against their end zone the whole second half. Play calls were pretty poor, not sure if they are going to stick with Doman next year, the defensive pressure was killing BYU all first half and Doman had no answers.

    Any way, great game BYU, good to finish this frustrating season on a positive note.

    Riley, I appreciate your heart and effort and I wish you luck in your future endeavors, but as a BYU fan, I am so glad the bromance is finally over.

    Go Cougs!

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    The first half was as I expected, flat and non-performing. The second half was a great display of what the Cougars are capable of. Congratulations on a great win. Lark protected the ball well enough that the defense could win the game for them. Both offense and defense deserved tremendous credit for this team win. Had the offense given up interceptions and fumbles that resulted in scores, the defense would not have been in a position to bring home the victory.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:19 p.m.


    Did you WATCH the game??? Our offensive line was non-existent. The only benefit to putting Lark under center would have been shorter sacks, but many more of them.


    AMEN!!! I only partially heard it, but didn't the announcers say at half time that Bronco talked about punting as one thing he would address at half-time? And they were mocking the thought, but you my friend nailed it right between the eyes. Punting was awful in the first half and stellar in the 2nd.

    Notes to the class at large:

    Did you note that we had ANOTHER missed extra point? LAY OFF already on the decision to go for 2 at Boise!

    Yes, with more playing time, Lark probably would have been sharper tonight. But with more playing time against the teams Riley faced, he may have been another QB with a clip-board and crutches, too. Bottom line - against a pretty good team, he wasn't as good as he looked against NMSU.

    Please, pretty please, KVN and Hoff, take a cue from Manti, and be loyal to your team for one more year. Ah well, thanks for the memories.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:18 p.m.

    Probably wise to keep Riley Nelson on the sidelines for the most part. Don't shake hands with danger. Not sure how KVN did all that he did. Incredible performance. @Dukester.......um did you just watch what the defense did? Perhaps this is a well kept secret, but....um,...that's called "Bronco's defense." Offense was bad today, but Bronco cannot make people catch passes. He cannot teach someone how to make a fundamental block. Abysmal blocking today......That needs to be remedied. Overall though, Bronco brought the team to San Diego on his back.

  • spokaloo Adin, CA
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    We do NOT need a new coach. Bronco is the most successful BYU coach in their first 8 years in the history of the program. We need a new OC and a new QB. BYU will sorely miss Bronco when he leaves. Bronco naysayers have very, very limited memories.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    Lark was spectacular! He did not turn the ball over, giving the defense a chance to win the game.

    Sure he had the long int, but it was more like a punt. Riley's int almost cost the Cougars the game, until we were saved by the penalty.

    I hope our defense is just as good next year, and I hope our offense transforms back into the BYU offense of old.

    Wonder if Anae is available to come back?

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    Good News bad news. Good news is a nice win for the cougars. Bad news, with that monster game Van Noy had, he will be off to the NFL.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    Nelson's final pass as a cougar was a pick six...fitting.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:55 p.m.

    So we beat the WAC champ, the MWC champ, the ACC division champ, and were three points from beating the potential national champs. For as terrible a year as it felt like much of the season, it really wasn't all that bad... I just never thought I would miss Max Hall and Robert Anae so much!

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    Two veteran coaches who emphasize defense met tonight and the student won. BYU players and fans should be proud of a great win. As my dad used to say winners don't whine about what they don't have but use wisely what they have. That's what the coaches did tonight.

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    I've watched BYU now since 74 and there is no doubt -- this is the strongest defense I have ever seen. Put this defense with a Steve Young offense and oh my gosh.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    A lot will be said about KVN. And there is no doubt that he had a monster game. But I think the discussion here needs to start with Stephenson and the punting unit. They pinned SDSU time and time again. And it was one such pin that allowed KVN to knock the ball lose in the end zone and fall on it. Stephenson may not have punted for a high average; but he put SDSU in long fields pretty much the whole 2nd half.

    But, Kyle Van Noy. What can you say?

    And a word on Lark: no, he didn't have a great game. But I came away convinced that the coaches were playing the wrong guy all season. I think much of the difficulty in the first half was due to an inexperienced QB having trouble reading the defense. If he had come into this game with more than just one previous college start, I think he would have read the D much better and been able to audible into some better plays to beat the blitzes. It's a shame that he didn't get more of a chance to play at BYU. What could have been?

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    Riley Nelson goes 0/2 with one interception. His legacy is now set in stone! Doman's play calling was terrible. Not once did Lark go under center. NO chance for play action. Terrible play calling. Good thing Van Noy decided to take over the game.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    Good win for BYU, Bronco and the Seniors.

    Love how announcers in the first half remark how well opposing offenses are moving the ball and then BYU comes out in the second half (especially the fourth quarter) and puts the clamps on.

    Happy that Bronco ended up sticking with Lark.

    Good momentum for next year.

  • Dukester VANCOUVER, WA
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    Great win for BYU. However, we still need a new coach!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    Great Game!! And to think that SDSU was a Conference Champion, well, we see that an independent can be as good or better.

    Two teams from the State of Utah went to bowl games this year. Two teams from the State of Utah WON their respective bowl games this year. What about the third team? Oh, they're still crowing about being in the PAC 12 (PAC 10.2) as they watch bowl games this year.

    Van Noy was AWESOME!! The "D" finally scored and that got things going at long last. And once it started, the roof just fell in on SDSU, who BYU has defeated 6 times in a row.