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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 18 2012 8:16 p.m. MST

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Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

Why just temporarily?

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

Wait so you can bypass all background checks by buying a gun on KSL? I must be misinformed. Someone tell me it isn't that easy but then again it probably is.

Ett
Salt Lake City, UT

It's a pity to see KSL caving in to the hype. Most firearm owners are safe, law-abiding individuals, such as myself. I carried professionally for years, as well as personally. When Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with a fertilizer bomb, did KSL stop selling garden products? This is a knee-jerk reaction and exactly the kind we should all avoid. Knee-jerk reactions lead to poor decision making. Stop and breathe people. The problem at hand is much deeper than firearms, which are in themselves, inanimate. Such acts are symptomatic of bigger problems at large.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@Ett

KSL is a private company and can do whatever they want, without your permission or approval.

NT
SomewhereIn, UT

I am a daily reader of ksl and deseretnews - the news AND the gun, ammunition and reloading classifieds. the last gun I purchased from ksl was, well, about 3 weeks ago.

I guess I will be "temporarily" suspending my news viewing and shopping here until the anonymous management hiding behind their "management" title admits their kneejerk reaction was inappropriate.

You
SLC, UT

This is a step in the right direction, but the suspension should be permanent. There is no good reason to have such easy access to guns in this country. The more civilized countries in the world that have better gun control also have (surprise, surprise) far fewer gun crimes. The numbers aren't even close.

I am sick of hearing the logical fallacies that are used as arguments by the gun fanatics. One of the most common is the "people die in car accidents, so let's ban cars if we're going to ban guns" argument. The problem with this is cars and guns have different purposes. The purpose of cars is transport. The ONLY purpose guns have is killing.

philaD
Clifton Heights, PA

@CHS 85,

KSL is a private company and can do whatever they want. Ett said nothing to the contrary. And it is a pity that they have caved "temporarily". This is a much larger problem than firearms as Ett mentioned, and I also believe that KSL is having a knee jerk moment. Everyone engaged in "gun control" discussions, no matter your stance are having knee jerk reactions. Including myself.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

It would save many more lives if KSL temporarily suspended sale of motorcycles, ATVS, jet skis and certainly automobiles. Thousands of people are killed by those machines every year.

"If it saves just one life..."

Not to mention baseball bats and kitchen utensils- they are frequently used by criminals or crazy people to assault or even kill innocent victims.

However, as others have noted, KSL is a private company and free to allow or disallow sales of any sort.

You
SLC, UT

2008 gun-related homicides:

US = 12000+
Japan = 11 (11 total! With a population of 128 million!)

And Japan has a more rabid video game culture than the US, so there goes the video-games-are-to-blame argument that many love.

The UK and many fine countries in Europe have similar low gun crime stats due to strict gun control laws that we need to develop here.

JJL
Eugene, OR

The gun control debate must be put in proper context. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with protecting liberty - liberty that is not granted by government. The Bill of Rights is a list of rights that existed prior to the Constitution and remain God-given rights regardless of whether the Constitution remains respected by the national government, the states, and individuals in those states. The Bill of Rights is meant to protect minority rights - rights that otherwise can be trampled by the majority. Those rights were violated by mobs and state militias against the Mormons in Missouri and Illinois in the 19th Century. American citizens of Japanese ancestory were interned and place in concentration camps and their property confiscated and given to others by the US Government in the 20th Century. If the Mormons had no arms they would have been wiped of the face of the US. To say that "it couldn't happen in the US" is not only ignorant, but ignores history. These are just US examples, and doesn't even begin the discussion regarding other countries and minorities in those other countries.

philaD
Clifton Heights, PA

@you,

Interesting statistics, please look up on any internet search engine "harvard gun control" for a well though out analysis. Russia, where handguns are banned, has a murder rate of over 20, finland and Norway where handguns are allowed have a murder rate of less than 2.

Here in the USA, Chicago and Washington DC have some of the strictest gun control laws, and some of the highest murder rates. Bottom line- gun control does not appear to slow down violent crimes. And leaves citizens vulnerable to violence perpetuated by those who laugh at such laws.

philaD
Clifton Heights, PA

From the harvard gun control article (Kates and Mauser)...

"National institute of Justice surveys among prison inmates find that large percentages report that their fear that a victim might be armed deterred them from confrontation crimes and the felons most frightened about confronting a victim were those from states with the greatest relative number of privately owned firearms. Conversely, robbery is highest in states that most restrict gun ownership."

and....

"A series of studies by John Lott and his coauthor David Mustard conclude that the issuance of millions of permits to carry concealed handguns is associated with drastic declines in American homicide rates."

Troy06
OREM, UT

C'mon KSL! No one outside Utah cares you temporarily closed down your gun classifieds. Cheap shot to pat yourself on the back.

The issue is not guns. It's lack of mental health.

Herby
Hurricane, UT

The Great Divide is occurring right before our eyes. We are treading in dangerous waters. We live in a value driven country and if gun sales are up, what is that telling us? Our country values guns and that is not a bad thing. Our country as a whole does not value violence. Otherwise the majority of our citizens would participate. Sandy Hook has become politicized.

ML1776
SLC/SL, UT

Lets push more legislation. We could triple the sentence for murder. Quadruple for murder with stolen pistol. All this paper and law is surely the answer. I'm sure that murderers review the law before committing evil acts. Without all this control, law abiding people with respect for human life, are apt to become evil just by touching a gun. Yeah this makes perfect sense. Now lets ban gas and lighters, sharp sticks and other "dangerous objects" . We can't look at the human operating the object. It's interesting how communism just spews when a travesty is committed. It's really not the answer.
Your Suburu could be a "Dangerous object" with you behind the wheel.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

JJL.. the second amendment didn't repeal the Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution. There are other remedies in the Constitution that weren't explored in either case you cited, but should have. We have a court system for those purposes.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Herby: "Our country as a whole does not value violence." Of course not.. that must be why it's on television programs every. single. night.
And as far as the Oklahoma City citation that Ett used, we regulated ammonium nitrate in the Secure Handling of Ammonium Nitrate Act of 2007. It requires the licensing of ammonium nitrate facilities and registration for buyers

Herby
Hurricane, UT

DanO: Actions speak louder than words my friend. If our country as a whole truly values violence then why isn't there chaos right now? I love how people put the negative under the microscope, yet I look around my neighborhood and there is not one person that comes to mind of an individual who loves violence.

ML1776
SLC/SL, UT

I'm sure the ammonium nitrate act has stopped terrorism cold. Speaking of terrorist, don't we need to ban vans and airplanes. If you don't think it hasn't crossed the minds of the control mongers in Washington think again. Reduction of freedoms have not made a difference in criminal behavior. However, criminal behavior has caused reduction of our freedoms.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Yet I'm sure many of your neighbors plop down $15 on a movie or $60 on a video game that is violent. When there's an incident, gun sales go up. When there's a perceived threat of regulation, gun sales go up. Seems more to me that the main driver of gun sales is paranoia. I'm not sure how that's a good thing.

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