Published: Tuesday, Dec. 18 2012 7:50 p.m. MST
Why just temporarily?
Wait so you can bypass all background checks by buying a gun on KSL? I must be
misinformed. Someone tell me it isn't that easy but then again it probably
It's a pity to see KSL caving in to the hype. Most firearm owners are safe,
law-abiding individuals, such as myself. I carried professionally for years, as
well as personally. When Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with a fertilizer
bomb, did KSL stop selling garden products? This is a knee-jerk reaction and
exactly the kind we should all avoid. Knee-jerk reactions lead to poor decision
making. Stop and breathe people. The problem at hand is much deeper than
firearms, which are in themselves, inanimate. Such acts are symptomatic of
bigger problems at large.
@EttKSL is a private company and can do whatever they want, without
your permission or approval.
I am a daily reader of ksl and deseretnews - the news AND the gun, ammunition
and reloading classifieds. the last gun I purchased from ksl was, well, about 3
weeks ago.I guess I will be "temporarily" suspending my news
viewing and shopping here until the anonymous management hiding behind their
"management" title admits their kneejerk reaction was inappropriate.
This is a step in the right direction, but the suspension should be permanent.
There is no good reason to have such easy access to guns in this country. The
more civilized countries in the world that have better gun control also have
(surprise, surprise) far fewer gun crimes. The numbers aren't even close.
I am sick of hearing the logical fallacies that are used as
arguments by the gun fanatics. One of the most common is the "people die in
car accidents, so let's ban cars if we're going to ban guns"
argument. The problem with this is cars and guns have different purposes. The
purpose of cars is transport. The ONLY purpose guns have is killing.
@CHS 85,KSL is a private company and can do whatever they want. Ett
said nothing to the contrary. And it is a pity that they have caved
"temporarily". This is a much larger problem than firearms as Ett
mentioned, and I also believe that KSL is having a knee jerk moment. Everyone
engaged in "gun control" discussions, no matter your stance are having
knee jerk reactions. Including myself.
It would save many more lives if KSL temporarily suspended sale of motorcycles,
ATVS, jet skis and certainly automobiles. Thousands of people are killed by
those machines every year."If it saves just one life..."Not to mention baseball bats and kitchen utensils- they are frequently
used by criminals or crazy people to assault or even kill innocent victims.However, as others have noted, KSL is a private company and free to
allow or disallow sales of any sort.
2008 gun-related homicides: US = 12000+Japan = 11 (11 total!
With a population of 128 million!)And Japan has a more rabid video
game culture than the US, so there goes the video-games-are-to-blame argument
that many love.The UK and many fine countries in Europe have similar
low gun crime stats due to strict gun control laws that we need to develop here.
The gun control debate must be put in proper context. The 2nd Amendment has
nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with protecting liberty -
liberty that is not granted by government. The Bill of Rights is a list of
rights that existed prior to the Constitution and remain God-given rights
regardless of whether the Constitution remains respected by the national
government, the states, and individuals in those states. The Bill of Rights is
meant to protect minority rights - rights that otherwise can be trampled by the
majority. Those rights were violated by mobs and state militias against the
Mormons in Missouri and Illinois in the 19th Century. American citizens of
Japanese ancestory were interned and place in concentration camps and their
property confiscated and given to others by the US Government in the 20th
Century. If the Mormons had no arms they would have been wiped of the face of
the US. To say that "it couldn't happen in the US" is not only
ignorant, but ignores history. These are just US examples, and doesn't
even begin the discussion regarding other countries and minorities in those
@you,Interesting statistics, please look up on any internet search
engine "harvard gun control" for a well though out analysis. Russia,
where handguns are banned, has a murder rate of over 20, finland and Norway
where handguns are allowed have a murder rate of less than 2. Here
in the USA, Chicago and Washington DC have some of the strictest gun control
laws, and some of the highest murder rates. Bottom line- gun control does not
appear to slow down violent crimes. And leaves citizens vulnerable to violence
perpetuated by those who laugh at such laws.
From the harvard gun control article (Kates and Mauser)..."National institute of Justice surveys among prison inmates find that
large percentages report that their fear that a victim might be armed deterred
them from confrontation crimes and the felons most frightened about confronting
a victim were those from states with the greatest relative number of privately
owned firearms. Conversely, robbery is highest in states that most restrict gun
ownership."and...."A series of studies by John
Lott and his coauthor David Mustard conclude that the issuance of millions of
permits to carry concealed handguns is associated with drastic declines in
American homicide rates."
C'mon KSL! No one outside Utah cares you temporarily closed down your gun
classifieds. Cheap shot to pat yourself on the back. The issue is
not guns. It's lack of mental health.
The Great Divide is occurring right before our eyes. We are treading in
dangerous waters. We live in a value driven country and if gun sales are up,
what is that telling us? Our country values guns and that is not a bad thing.
Our country as a whole does not value violence. Otherwise the majority of our
citizens would participate. Sandy Hook has become politicized.
Lets push more legislation. We could triple the sentence for murder. Quadruple
for murder with stolen pistol. All this paper and law is surely the answer.
I'm sure that murderers review the law before committing evil acts. Without
all this control, law abiding people with respect for human life, are apt to
become evil just by touching a gun. Yeah this makes perfect sense. Now lets ban
gas and lighters, sharp sticks and other "dangerous objects" . We
can't look at the human operating the object. It's interesting how
communism just spews when a travesty is committed. It's really not the
answer. Your Suburu could be a "Dangerous object" with you behind
JJL.. the second amendment didn't repeal the Article 3, Section 3 of the
Constitution. There are other remedies in the Constitution that weren't
explored in either case you cited, but should have. We have a court system for
Herby: "Our country as a whole does not value violence." Of course not..
that must be why it's on television programs every. single. night.And
as far as the Oklahoma City citation that Ett used, we regulated ammonium
nitrate in the Secure Handling of Ammonium Nitrate Act of 2007. It requires the
licensing of ammonium nitrate facilities and registration for buyers
DanO: Actions speak louder than words my friend. If our country as a whole truly
values violence then why isn't there chaos right now? I love how people put
the negative under the microscope, yet I look around my neighborhood and there
is not one person that comes to mind of an individual who loves violence.
I'm sure the ammonium nitrate act has stopped terrorism cold. Speaking of
terrorist, don't we need to ban vans and airplanes. If you don't think
it hasn't crossed the minds of the control mongers in Washington think
again. Reduction of freedoms have not made a difference in criminal behavior.
However, criminal behavior has caused reduction of our freedoms.
Yet I'm sure many of your neighbors plop down $15 on a movie or $60 on a
video game that is violent. When there's an incident, gun sales go up. When
there's a perceived threat of regulation, gun sales go up. Seems more to me
that the main driver of gun sales is paranoia. I'm not sure how that's
a good thing.
DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.— About comments