Re: "Some of these posters remind me of one of the planet of the apes where
they worshiped the bomb."Exactly as the liberal Hollywood types
that also exploited a then-naive Charlton Heston programmed you to feel.Try thinking for yourself. Leave rigid liberal orthodoxy behind.
It's a liberating feeling.
DN Subscriber 2 blames everyone but the parents and the child, Victim mentality
brought on no doubt by the last election and the "it's everybody but
mitts fault that he lost.Not being reported here was that his
parents or one of them gave him the gun too, more responsible gun owners?I agree Emajor it has become a psychotic obsession for many.I own
several guns, but I don't wrap them in the constitution and set them on my
bible on the night stand.Some of these posters remind me of one of the
planet of the apes where they worshiped the bomb.
But more guns always makes us safer!To people who have this nearly
psychotic obsession with firearms and somehow believe that more guns are always
going to make this society safer despite our ridiculously high level of
gun-related deaths compared to other first world nations, I suppose this is
easily swept under the rug. But for a policy maker in, say, the UK, this
provides a perfect example for why handguns are largely banned in that nation.
And why firearm-related deaths are so much lower. And why our gun-related death
rate rivals South Africa's despite the millions upon millions of legally
owned firearms in this nation that theoretically should be protecting us.
one vote:There an ESTIMATED 300 million guns in the United States.
Have you heard of these sayings?The horse has left the barn. The
milk has already been spilt. The ship has left the harbor. The cat is out of
the bag. The "no gun" world you wish isn't
practical.Now let's starting practical and maybe something good
can come from this horrific tragedy.
A graphic example of the reason to vote for the repeal of the Second Amendement.
No guns is the best way to stop gun deaths.
Re: ". . . effective gun control laws . . . ."No such thing.
It's a complete non sequitur.Unless, by "effective,"
you mean increasing the size of the victim pool, that is.NO gun
control law can disarm those who do not respect the law -- criminals and
crazies.The ONLY measures with ANY chance of being effective are
those that encourage an effective defense. Those would be effective, both for
defense, as well as deterrence.The kinder, gentler America we all
seek cannot be obtained by disarming the good guys and surrendering to evil.
Okay, the kid took illegal and inappropriate action when concerned for his
safety. (IF that is the FULL story- there seems to be a possible brandishing
against another student that may make this a convenient excuse for his conduct.
THAT needs be fully investigated!)If his excuse or justification is
the real one, what action has his school taken to ensure safety of students? Do
they have an armed police "Resource Officer" assigned? DO they have
camera monitors on all access points and hallways? Do some of the adults
working at the school have legal self defense weapons? (If so, DO NOT name
them, just let the word out that "A number of OUR teachers and staff ARE
ARMED and WILL protect you!") Has the school held drills with local police
so they are familiar with the building and procedures?Are obviously
mentally ill people confronted and steered away from the school?Take
these actions and that may convince even 11 year olds that they are not in
danger. If nothing is done, then their fears may be rational and justified.
I can understand a high school person getting detention or jail but an 11 year
old should get counseling and his parents a fine. He is obviously scared because
of the reports in the news. If people are truly serious about mental health
issues and helping kids, let's start with this one. It is very serious and
I would even advocate expulsion. But detention and labeling the child at 11 as a
delinquent may be harsh.
ok as for an 11 year old getting his hand on the gun. yeah i believe the person
who brought the gun into the house should have charges brought against him. my
uncles and stapfather all owned guns. pistols and rifles. all of them had
locking cabinets and all of the had trigger locks. who was the gun registered
to? if it was the person who left the gun at the house. he should be bought up
on charges. also it is so easy to get a concealed weapon permit in this state.
but yet you can't buy a bottle of wine in the grocery store. no one sees a
problem with the concealed weapon permit?? your going to hear a lot about oh we
need to ban this or make this more stricter. but reality neither democrats nor
republicans will not do anything. no money in banning or limiting anything. that
is what makes things happen in our government.
That's not a mental health or background check issue. It's
a laxed attitude towards securing a gun and the kid got it.The
person that left the gun unsecured needs to be charged with reckless
endangerment and the NRA needs to support it, publish it and promote anyone else
that lets a kid get their gun to be incarcerated.That's what a
responsible forward thinking NRA would do. But they won't because they are
only interested in gun sales and they figure they can pass out enough checks in
congress that they don't have to worry about regulation.
@louie - The investigation is ongoing, I am sure if the parents have violated
any laws they will be charged.
"more charges could...be brought against the student". What is missing
here? Evidently no charges against the parents or the owner of the gun. How
can that be? In the summer a two year old kills himself with a handgun in
Sandy. Later a two year old kills himself in Utah County under similar
circumstances. In both cases no charges were filed against the responsible
adults. We need to go after the responsible owners of guns where tragedies or
near tragedies happen. The Utah Legislature needs to consider passing laws that
makes gun owners more responsible and send a clear message to prosecuting
attorneys to take appropriate action. If we are going to own guns we have to to
protect them and secure them from irresponsible persons.
This is where effective gun control laws need to be in place. An 11 year old
getting their hands on a gun is totally unacceptable. Reasonable laws so need
to be in place so that under age youth can not get hold of, nor use weapons with
out adult supervision, period. Newtown, that is a different story
all together, it is a mental health issues, with the excpetion of access. We
don't need to take guns away, but we do need to insist that those who have
them secure them responsibly.