List of players who left looking for greener pastures, or were not resigned and
did not thrive away from Utah:Shandon AndersonHoward
EisleyCarlos BoozerDeron Williams (He was going to
leave, and he still has time to change this and thrive, the jury is still out on
that)Greg FosterThose are the most obvious ones.
I golfed with him.. Maybe one of the most arrogant and selfish people I have
@herby, how about Kosta Koufus, Kris Humphries and Mo Williams all became
starters and fine players after warming the bench in Utah. Also, Andrei
Kirilinko is a better player now than he was his last 5 years under Sloan's
system. While it is true the Jazz typically get the most out of players, not
everyone flourished under the structure that Jerry implemented.
Deron William certainly "burned his bridges" with the Jazz. Hindsight is
always better than foresight, Deron. Glad, at least, that he is saying something
positive about the Jazz.
Say what you might about D'Will but Jerry Sloan has no rings and no Coach
of the Year awards.Always a bride's maid was Jerry, and
that's the best he could do.Either that, or he was the least
lucky coach ever in the NBA; i.e., "It's the players' fault, not
Jerry's."Baloney! He couldn't quite get the job done.
it would be great if they could get sloan and williams back. when sloan was
there i always said it was time for him to go. but like deron i have learned IT
@Herby: I agree with your point. The only player I can think of who fits what
you're looking for might be Mo Williams the first time around. Of course,
he didn't really "play" for Sloan much, but he became an All-Star
in Cleveland. Raja Bell, too, seemed to play a bit better in his Phoenix days
than he did the first time in Utah. Interesting, though, that both of those
guys were eager to come back to the Jazz.
Williams is not a happy man--that is painfully obvious. He whined (in a very
unmanly manner) the whole time he "played" for the Jazz. He's again
pulling his "injury" card with Brooklyn as he did here. Mostly, I think
he is whining his way out of what could have been a great career.
I have to agree with a handful of comments posted: Indeed, it was Sloan's
system that made these players as good, possibly better, than they could have
been elsewhere. Could you imagine what Sloan would do with the likes of Kanter,
Burks, Favors...& even Hayward (though I'm not completely sold on this
kid yet, due to his inconsistency & lack of mental toughness at times). He
would love Carroll's gritty & energetic nature.Dennis,
please bring Sloan back! He'll come back, I guarantee it!
@ Herby,Mo Williams comes to mind as a player that left the Jazz and
became an all-star. Mo didn't want to go and Sloan didn't want to lose
him but Kevin O Conner made the decision to leave him unprotected in the
expansion draft. I dont know how much he would have flourished here because that
was about the time the Jazz drafted D-Will I believe. Another player that has
done pretty well believe it or not is Kirilenko. AK at his age is still putting
up good numbers in Minnesota in all categories.
You know, for once I agree with all the posts on here!! Too bad for you D-Will
your short-sightedness might have derailed your potential hall of fame career!
It's always telling to me how players grow up as they age.As
for Sloan and DWill not working well together, neither did Sloan and Malone.
But Malone understood that, even if he hated Sloan, keeping a business
relationship would bring success. Too bad for DWill that he didn't realize
that while still in Utah.@shawnm750 - You're right that DWill
was traded, but he was only traded after it was apparent that he would not stay
in Utah. Jazz brass got insane amounts back in the trade and did their best
with the situation. If he would have been likely to choose to stay in Utah
there's little chance they would have traded him.
D-Will is the best point guard in the league and if people can't recognize
it, it is pure ignorance. I love how people on these boards only talk on what
they hear they never read anything or actually watch a game. The Jazz would be a
top 4 team in the west all through the year if we had D-will on the team. If the
jazz want to be a championship caliber team they need a star on the team and
also a new coach. We have the best big man rotation in the league and Corbin
isn't using his young talent the right way. Make some trades happen Kevin.
@ ShawnDon't be naive. Deron fought with Sloan, Sloan has
still shown desire to coach since retirement.Furthermore, the Jazz
are not stupid. The Jazz franchise is one of the best run franchises in the
NBA. It was obvious Williams was not coming back, so they did the smart thing
and got what they could for him.He pouted in Utah when things went
wrong, he blamed his teammates for not knowing plays, he was short with the
media.A lot of the D Will faithful have him painted as some Golden
Boy while he was here which he truly was not.Remember when he threw
the ball at Gordon Hayward?I am not a D Will hater. I liked him when
he was here. I am bothered he did not show the desire to stay. I think he
lacks leadership, and does not have the best attitude, and clearly would have
had a better career if he stayed. Hall of fame career. I think he will just
continue to decline the way he is trending now. It really is a shame
I would like to challenge anyone to find a player who played in Sloan's
system and left to another team and become more productive. I can't think
of one off the top of my head. However, my point is, Sloan's system made
athletes more productive. Yet, those same athletes were blind to this fact until
after they leave. Arrogance is a key contributor.
It's unfortunate how the whole thing played out. The Jazz lost a great
point guard and one of the best coaches of all time and now we're stuck
with Corbin..... At least we got Favors, oh wait, he rarely sees the court,
because of? Corbin......
Grass ain't always greener. but, he was unhappy and the Jazz were unhappy
with him here at the end. So goes life.
@Flashback - Deron Williams didn't get Sloan fired. Sloan retired of his
own volition.Secondly, Deron Williams didn't leave the Jazz
because he struck some deal to get more money or more playing time. Jazz
management traded him and he found out the day it happened, after it leaked on
the TV. He was as surprised as anyone. Williams is a talented
player, and was key. But he was also a loudmouth that didn't appreciate the
opportunity he had to work with Jerry Sloan. Maybe now he's gained some
perspective, and the rest of his career will reflect that.
It's almost uncanny how many players who flourished in Sloan's system
and then went elsewhere NEVER, EVER matched their production as a Jazzman.
It's a tribute to Jerry Sloan really.Some players need
"systems" to succeed. Add D-Will to the list.Shame we
couldn't get along cause D-Will would have had a Hall of Fame career in
Folks read the interview, he never said he liked Sloan just his system.
Probably by now he has figured out they tend to go together.Sloan
did a lot with a little. This season the NBA rated players on their offense and
defense abilities. LeBron was off the charts on top, while CJ was ranked as
worst in the league, Ronnie Price was also in the bottom 1% and Korver was in
the bottom 2%, his offense was okay but his defense is still such he cannot
guard a cheerleader.In Sloans system these guys could cover off the
flaws of their teammates. Imagine 25% of your team being in the bottom 5% of
the league and still make it to the playoffs. Sloans system also allowed Boozer
to get 20 and 10 for an average all the while covering Boozers defensive
liabilities.Deron now plays in a system where each player has not
bought into the defensive scheme and if he plays defense he is the only one and
it doesn't take a genius to figure out how lonely that can be.Deron can be the go to guy and the Jazz still need one of those.
Same old Deron -- bad mouth his (current) coach and team. Though talented, he
is a selfish cancer.
So, how many millions of dollars is this guy getting paid to run around in
shorts and throw a basketball? Answer- way more than he is worth.It is nice he appreciates Jerry Sloan's genius now. Too bad he did not
respect it when he was the beneficiary. Now, he simply is praising it as an
excuse for his own poor performance.Good riddance.
He was good while he was here.
Boo hoo. My heart bleeds for poor Deron. Seems like is ego back when he got
Sloan fired wouldn't let him realize just what a good thing he had here.
DW's play with the Nets so far has confirmed what we already knew about the
Jazz brass . . they're a savvy group who tend to buy low and sell high. It
hasn't netted them a championship yet, but no-one can say these guys
don't know what they're doing.
Injuries, Coach's system, weak team around him. Excuses are piling up. I
said it when he was traded. Deron Williams will not have the same caliber
career that he would have had if he had stayed. He got his billboards all over
Brooklyn and a fat contract, but would have been a better player if he stayed.
he has been haunted with multi injuries.oh well!
The Jazz don't have a superstar---the guy who'll not let the team
score only 10 points in a quarter, even on a bad night.D-Will is
such a player. He might be butting heads with another coach again, but he can be
THE GUY on a team. It just depends on the fit. Looks like Brooklyn isn't
that fit.I wouldn't mind a bit if D-Will somehow came back to
the Jazz. He does try to run the team, and not let it lose so easily as the Jazz
have the past two games.
So D Will appreciates his time in Utah, he is not bad mouthing. I am still a D
Will fan. Go Jazz!
D-Will made his bed, now he has to sleep in it. The comment from
Deron, where he said that there was only a possibility he was leaving was
laughable. The Jazz saw the writing on the wall and tossed him overboard.
Sounds like . . . regret. Unfortunately, it's too late now. Deron got his
big contract and all the baggage that goes with it.
Hindsight is always 20/20 Deron. If you'd have put in the effort to be
happy with the system that worked for you.. who knows what might have been
Wish he'd had that appreciation for Sloan BEFORE getting him bounced...