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Published: Sunday, Dec. 16 2012 12:05 a.m. MST

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Mick
Murray, Utah

turtles run-

I can find just as many studies supporting heterosexual couples as the best parents as you can supporting homosexual couples.

My question to you is this: "If gender doesn't matter when raising a child and any two adults will do, wouldn't 3, 4 or 5 adults be better at raising a child?"

HappyHeathen
Puyallu, Wa.

Here in Washington State we just approved gay marriage by 56.4% of the votes because we think every family is important and a positive message about marriage. Peace!

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

patriot,

1. Done.. they never were
2. Doesn't make sense. You seem to think there's a shortage of adopted children. There aren't.
3. Talk to your Republican friends who are holding your tax cuts hostage. In fact Obama has not raised your taxes. Taxes are set by Congress.
4. See #3
5. Voters are working on legalizing marijuana. The President hasn't.
6. Obama has not put forward any proposal to ban guns.
7. China doesn't hold as much debt as you think it does.
8. Sure, let's start with the military which has said they don't need as much money that Congress insists they have.

And yes Mick. Multiple adults in a child's life is better. No parent ever raises a child by themselves unless they live in a vacuum. Grandparents, uncles, aunts, teachers and even clergy help raise children.

Mick
Murray, Utah

Dano-

And it is best when they have a MOM and a DAD in the home.

Born that Way
Layton, UT

The fact that every time we talk about strengthening marriage, someone discusses gay marriage is evidence that gay marriage is weakening marriage. Honestly I don't care about it in this context, but unfortunately, it has dilluted the discussion, in typical its narcissistic fashion. "Look at me. It's all about me. Look at me I'm gay."

The intent of strenghtening marriage is to give children more means, a better home environment, but gay marriage reduces the marriage relationship down to the question "with do you prefer having sexual relations?" Sex can be a component to marriage, but it is just one piece to what makes a committed marriage. And if we were to examine it in the context of what's keeping people from embracing marriage, one might suppose that the only effect focusing on sexual relations has on marriage is that (because promiscuity is so rampant), marriage seem pointless--since people getting sex without marriage.

Children deserve better, stronger homes, with parents that are committed to one another through marriage. Without a proper focus on the actual problems in marriage we'll never get around to solving them. We need to redefine marriage in other terms.

Turtles Run
Missouri City, TX

Mick

Please provide your unbiased source(s). My evidence is from an actual medical association, the American Psychological Association. Children benefit most by being raised in loving stable households. Your comments are reminiscence of those that claimed children from mixed race parents were at a disadvantage.
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zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@Turtles Run

Just because someone reads a professional journal does not make everything that is read actual fact. Don’t forget there are professionals in the same field that would disagree with their findings using their research to substantiate their own claims.

Logit
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"'I think that what we're seeing today is a lot of weakening capabilities of young men,'" said Lerman. He noted males lag behind females in both college and high school graduation and said he supports trying to expand occupational training, especially apprenticeship, to help young men and young women — but especially men — to gain certain mastery of an occupation they can take pride in."

So let me get this straight... we have removed male scholarships through title IX, we favor female college applicants over male applicants through affirmative action, most colleges have removed due process for males and assume the guilt of any man named in a harassment complaint, we've vilified the establishment of "male studies" programs as misogynist while awarding PhDs in "women's studies"... and then we wonder how we're weakening the capabilities of young men? Is this quote some kind of joke? Is the author of the quote so steeped in or confined to his own ivory tower that he can't even see straight?

Amazing. Truly amazing.

Logit
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"Lerman.... noted males lag behind females in both college and high school graduation and said he supports trying to expand occupational training, especially apprenticeship, to help young men and young women — but especially men — to gain certain mastery of an occupation they can take pride in."

And just where are we going to find all the young women with bachelor and masters degrees who will take enduring interest in marrying their lower earning, less educated male counterparts?

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@Born That Way:
You wrote: "Children deserve better, stronger homes, with parents that are committed to one another through marriage. Without a proper focus on the actual problems in marriage we'll never get around to solving them. We need to redefine marriage in other terms."

I agree 100% with you.

I assume that when you talk about children , you include all of them. Some children are adopted or gestated by gay parents. Therefore, I have to conclude you are a SSM supporter.

Also, I am pleasantly surprised that you asked to "redefine " marriage. Which is usually the line that those who are against SSM use.

I think the premise of this article is that marriage should not be abolish but fortified by allowing all of those able to implement a parental role, to commit in the civil or religious contract called marriage.

My dear "Born That Way" Thank you for your support.

Apache
Draper, UT

Ban homosexual marriage, teach moral and virtuous values in schools, strengthen the traditional family, improve marriage counseling, put religion back into the family, and last, but not least, hold people accountable for their actions. I can think of many more suggestions, but I would be here all day.

ChairmanMauzer
Taylorsville, UT

@Big J and Opinionated

I take it neither of you have ever heard of in vitro fertilization or surrogacy pregnancies or adoption? Not only are same sex couple capable of producing children they should be allowed to adopt, as there are plenty of kids in this country in need of adoptive parents.

As to the discussion of redefining marriage, marriage has been redefined many times throughout history. Historically many marriages consisted of exchanging one's daughter for cattle or land. Some marriages invoked one many and a harem of women. In many cases women didn't get a say in who they married (and sometimes neither did men.) Humans are an adaptable species. To say that marriage has always been one man and one woman is disingenuous at best.

Rynn
Las Vegas, NV

You cannot paint all divorces with the same brush. Every divorce has a different story. Sometimes they are breakups for frivolous reasons that could have been avoided. But other times they are breakups because of abuse or because one or both spouses refused to compromise in the marriage. Staying together "for the kids" is not always the best option. If the parents cannot get along, that is the example they are giving their children. If Dad yells at Mom or Mom hits Dad, they are making the kids think that is how you behave as a spouse. Plus that is not a very peaceful home environment for a child.
So I think that each story needs to be looked at individually. If a child has a mother/father with a healthy marriage, that is good. But sometimes families are different. Sometimes Mom & StepDad or Dad & StepMom are the healthier family. Or Grandma & Grandpa. I think what's most important for a child is having a safe, caring home to be raised in.

Apache
Draper, UT

I would like to know how Obama's 'Gay Marriage' agenda strengthens families?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Patriot..that is truly one of the most off target remarks ever..by the way what is the time of day..cut taxes, and give everyone a gun..huh?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

You can't tell millions of Americans that they can't marry because they're not good enough for marriage and expect that the message isn't going to reach those you would prefer would marry.

Those of you who think that gays and lesbians can't procreate haven't met science. Science, meet conservatives. Conservatives meet science. Now that you've been introduced, conservatives, perhaps you'll get a clue?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Apache says:

"I would like to know how Obama's 'Gay Marriage' agenda strengthens families?"

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We gays and lesbians have families too. Marriage, as the article clearly states, strengthens families - marriage will also strengthen ours. Could it be any clearer.

m.g. scott
LAYTON, UT

Last word. Democrats benefit from single people politically. They will talk importance of families while legislating against them. Period. End of story.

Cinci Man
FT MITCHELL, KY

How does gay marriage strengthen the eternal family?

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Very Concerned. If the Mormon Church is concerned about families perhaps might consider breaking its noticeable silence on gun control. Seems to me that the murder of children in this gun toting society is destructive of the familly unit. Why the silence on this issue?

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