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Published: Saturday, Dec. 15 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Moment come, moment go.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

LDS missionaries have their work cut out for them. With only 1-2% of the American population LDS, and apparently little progress being made on the Romney-boosted PR front, this doesn't bode well for their hopes of converting many of us.

Millsap fan
Taylorsville, UT

That's shocking that ask many people don't consider Mormons Christian! I'd like to hear a "mainstream Christian church" definition.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Millsap fan
I'd say the two biggest things people use to say the LDS church isn't Christian are
1. lack of belief in the Trinity doctrine
2. use of additional "scriptures" (in quotes because they don't believe the Book of Mormon of course) beyond the Bible

Personally, I consider the LDS church to be a Christian faith.

@Emajor
Considering what half the nation thinks of Romney, I'd consider it a win that the poll didn't find a spike in people using terms like "liars". So at least people don't seem to be projecting negative views of Romney onto the rest of the church.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Failure to increase approval of the many positive aspects of the LDS faith is not the fault of the LDS church or its members.

Given the horrible misinformation spewed about Mitt Romney, and the subtle innuendos about his character and beliefs, it is surprising that most people do not think that Mormons all have horns, and need peculiar underwear to conceal their tails.

This election was sad confirmation that truth is not longer a criteria admired by most of the major news media, and is totally rejected by the liberal politicians and their thuggish supporters.

Anyone who has actually lived around members of the LDS faith cannot help but to admire their high moral standards, strong work ethic, self reliance and caring for others. (All, of course, anathema to the left.)

As for the "Christian" factor, that is something best left to the theologians to discuss. But absent a definitive ruling, it provides an opportunity to be exploited by those hostile to the LDS church, or specific members of that faith.

across the sea
Topeno, Finland

we may have won some and lost some, but what REALLY should be considered here is how much the average American has shifted in his/her values and beliefs even further from the LDS values ... and THAT is shocking.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"Anyone who has actually lived around members of the LDS faith cannot help but to admire their high moral standards, strong work ethic, self reliance and caring for others. (All, of course, anathema to the left.) "

Really? DNews subscriber the second? Please. I've lived around them my whole life. I could tell you stories. But, here's one thing I've noticed about them: their inflated sense of self worth. Definitely unearned.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

I guess I'm weird, but if I don't have a good understanding of something, I get on the web and read up on it from many different sources to have some real knowledge.

If many Americans still don't have a factual knowledge of Mormonism after the "Mormon moment," they just haven't taken the initiative to find out.

That's fine if they're not interested--but it isn't fine if they let only one source (or soundbite) tell them what Mormonism is, and then repeat it as fact.

This doesn't just apply to Mormonism but to everything. I think we've become a country of soundbites and "quick cuts" from one subject to another, without taking time to think critically about what we've just heard.

But I guess a pop musical showing missionaries as (albeit well-meaning) doofuses is all you need to become an authority on something. Very sad.

(I'm not a Mormon, by the way, and I have my own issues with the Church. But I do like to know what I'm talking about before I open my mouth.)

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

This was a political campaign about a vision for the future, not a debate over whether someone who is LDS should be disqualified on religious grounds. At the end of the day, that is the most important thing. With that in mind, I wouldn't be too concerned about how much people know about Mormon beliefs. Keep in mind that the two vice presidential candidates were Catholics and I would not be surprised if most Mormons would flunk a test on their beliefs. While I'm not LDS I would think that most Mormons should be pleased to find that they are now recognized as part of the political mainstream.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

I was impressed by how successfully Romney himself and his campaign managed to not pull in the church, other than a couple of references to his personal experiences as a volunteer.

That bodes well for LDS people running on the national scene in the future, because it defuses some arguments that allude to them being beholden to act in office how the church leaders might want them to.

I spent dozens of hours talking with non-LDS about LDS beliefs here in Dallas spurred from the Romney candidacy and related news articles. Most had never known anyone who was a member and had some questions about things they read. All were open minded from my view and just wanted a view on points from someone in the church vs. outsider's views.

The next one who comes along will benefit from this public peeling of the onion, if you will - and I happen to like onions. ;)

AZRods
Maricopa, AZ

Amusingly predictable to see hutty and atl among the first to try to throw oil in the anti Mormon fire.
As usual, it doesn't work no matter how much they spew.
Once again, another study or poll taken castes a less than positive light on the LDS church.
I wonder where the numbers came from?
Regardless, I would suspect that many thousands would at the very least praise the efforts of helping hands. And will never forget who the Mormons are.
And if there were only a few who's minds were open enough to learn something not coming from a slanted media. I suspect that many have had a genuine change of heart in how they see the LDS church.
It's like the kid throwing starfish back into the ocean. We may have only influenced a few for good, but each one was someone worth reaching and hopefully touching their heart.
This is a tough time of year.
With so much criticism and negativism that passes through these threads, it makes me wonder who many of us are in real life.
I hope that we're all better than we come across in many of these comments.

OCoug
Ogden, UT

@AZrods

I personally didn't find Atl's comment inflammatory in the least, if anything it was merely a neutral explanation.

As for poll's veracity, this past election showed how poll's and their data may not be a clear indicator of fact. The election was not nearly as close as expected.

Really, exposure is exposure and can be used as a positive.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

misinformation abounds.

How about this.

30+% of self labeled Republicans believe that Obama is a Muslim
and
some polling shows that 65% of Republicans have doubts about Obama being a US citizen.

Why is that?

How many are appalled by the "uninformed" views of the LDS church but are quick to promote false claims about Obama?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@DN Subscriber 2;

I'm sorry, but lying isn't a "high moral value" and while Mitt may not be representative of the average Mormon, he took lying to the level of Art Form.

@across the sea;

Pretty arrogant of you. Seems like you think Mormon "values" are the only valid ones. Tsk.

@Free Agency;

You referred to the LDS Church as "the church" as if there were only one. That is a very Mormon thing to do.

@Henry Drummond;

Very true.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

@RanchHand

I think you're being overly nit-picking when you say my referring to the Mormon Church as "the Church" in my posting implies that Mormonism is the *only* church. If I'd intended that, I would have said something like "the true Church."

Once I indicated in my posting that I was talking about the Mormon Church, I think most people would have realized that my subsequently referring to it as "the Church" was my abbreviated reference, not my declaration that Mormonism is the only church.

Try this one: "A man and a woman, identified as Jim Smith and Helen Brown, started an argument. The man soon struck the woman, causing her a severe injury."

Does "the man" imply that Jim Smith is the only man who exists? I don't think so.

BTW, though what I supposedly did was a "very Mormon thing to do," again, I'm not a Mormon--and certainly not a proselytizer for the Church. Oops--for the Mormon Church.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@AZRods
I'm not sure how my comment where I state that I personally believe the LDS church is Christian and that it's a good thing people didn't project Romney's lying tendencies onto the rest of the church is an anti-Mormon post. Anti-Romney yes, but hardly anti-Mormon.

Casey See
FLOWER MOUND, TX

I don't know why anyone would really be surprised by this poll. In reality, most people in the United States don't know a whole lot about their own religion, let alone about another religion. For LDS members, the past election provided additional opportunities for the citizens of this country to hear the term, "Mormon Church", and associate it with more positive feelings instead of negative. In that sense, it was a positive experience. Hoping for anything more is being optimistic. For the few who were or are searching for something more, they were given enough information to know where to look. It is up to individual LDS members to be ready and willing to open their mouths when the opportunity arises. Those opportunities are readily available if you are not afraid to engage in polite conversations with all those you meet in every day situations.

Brent T. Aurora CO
Aurora, CO

While I agree with @Free Agency's point and syntax, as a member of The Church it would be disingenuous of me to believe that I know in fact that that is the case and then be flaky about even in my my written correspondence. Logic tells me there either is or is not a God (as well as things about Him [even gender]), and that either there is one only or no single religion representing Him on the earth. Cannot be more than one -- otherwise they'd be the same. Which is not the same thing as saying lots of people of all sorts of religious persuasions both Christian and not please Him with the good things that they do and the service they render. But I know both that He exists and that (through His Son Jesus Christ, whose name it bears) that is His Church, the one on the earth that is officially His -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints whose members are succinctly nick named Mormons.

Brent T. Aurora CO
Aurora, CO

We join the Christian world in worshiping Jesus Christ who is Our Master, and invite all good people of the earth to learn of Him, to follow Him and to avail themselves of His Atonement in returning to the One God, our Father, who is the sole deity that ultimately all mankind will recall as the true root of their worship/non-worship. They both exist; are very real. If you want to know more, The Church maintains numerous easily found websites and portals for educating people -- whenever they/anyone are ready, in political season or not.

shottaker
MIDWAY, UT

People don't know much about Mormonism because frankly, they don't want to.

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