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Published: Thursday, Dec. 13 2012 5:43 p.m. MST

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JWB
Kaysville, UT

The current President and for the next four years made this a definite politically motivated topic when he got votes he needed to win the election. He didn't help the process in the long run. He made an end run with this topic and since his naturalized or birth certificate is still in question, he knew he could making a political gain with votes.

The real situation is enforcement of the laws that exist and have existed for years and decades. We cannot stand by and not have the laws be enforced that are on the books. Having lived in El Paso and in Arizona, it is hard for those people to have the flow of southern traffic every day and not feel secure with people of unknown backgrounds who have not committed to the pathway of citizenship.

When people make a commitment toward citizenship, they agree to principles of law and order. When they don't commit to those few principles, then we have a nation that is of unknown origin and people who may not be abiding by our laws and order and of citizenship.

We want people to be a part of our nation, legally.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@Twin Lights
Please check your information. Chain migration (aka Family Unification) accounts for 65% of immigration, NOT skills-based entry.
So, who you are related to is the main factor for getting in.
It has nothing to do with wealth or skills.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@raybies
I love the analogy about speeding. But it makes no sense.
If I am caught speeding I get a ticket, pay a fine and the mark is on my record.
In other words, I take resposibility for my actions.
I don't have politicians and preachers lining up to get me out of the ticket.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

"raybies" @ 6:24

The ONLY way we can accomplish what you want is through legal monitored and regulated immigration.

HOW do you propose to identify families who are here working hard to support their families (even though they are breaking the law merely with their presence).

I live all around illegal families. MANY are hardworking, that doesn't make what they are doing right. BTW - they are very nomadic. They tend to move at least every 6 months. They are all experts at "getting what's coming to them"; (they know how to "game" the system quite well).

"Third try screen name" is actually quite right in his post. Most of them are quite fine with things as they are. IF they became legal they would be subject to all the things that most of us have to pay for that we are just used to like taxes, stability, learning english, etc.

I really don't think they're all that interested in the responsibilities that accompany citizenship.

Good citizenship skills START with obeying the laws, even the ones we don't like.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

"...broken immigration system..."

What's that supposed to mean, Marjorie Cortez? All that is is an obfuscative phrase. It means nothing in itself.

The truth is that the immigration system is NOT broken. What is broken is, first, respect for this country, its sovereignty, its borders and its laws, on the part of 11 million to 30 million illegal aliens in this country. The other thing broken is uniform, earnest enforcement of the law.

The solution therefore is, first, foreign nationals showing a smidgen of respect for this nation and its people by not illegally entering and stealing from it in the first place; and second, enforcing the law by meaningfully punishing those unwilling to show such respect.

The notion that enforcement of the law breaks up families, is a lie.

And it is a shame that this lie is being passed from mother to child, from one generation to the next.

The TRUTH is that these people break up THEIR OWN families, by either willfully violating the law and reaping the consequences of doing so, or by willfully refusing to reunite with their extended families in their home countries, or both, as in the case of these Avelar sisters.

Honesty4444
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So many of you don't get it. Put yourself and family in a position where you can't feel safe. You barely make enough for your most basic needs. Your children will get a sub standard education. Your telling me you wouldn't try to come to America. No you would wait in line for years with little chance of actually making it. Quit saying invaders they aren't coming to destroy America they want the same thing that by the grace of god you were able to be born into.

raybies
Layton, UT

Dektal: If your wife is in labor, do you break the speed limit to get her to the hospital?

For those that fall into this category, these are brave and courageous pioneers who face their bleak circumstances with hard work and sacrifice all for their family and the dream of a better life.

Yes, there's poverty all over the world. Give us time, we'll solve that problem too... but these are our neighbors, and we should do more.

And How much more capable of controlling the drug trade, gang violence, and even better language skills would we be if we had closer/more open and trusting ties to our immigrants?

What cop puts the driver of the speeding car in a penitentiary while his wife is still in the car delivering a baby? No, the compassionate thing to do is provide a police escort, and help the ailing woman to deliver another fine citizen of our country.

We can make our neighbors our friends if we stop treating them like enemies. Many of us get this already. We see that our freedoms are to be shared, not kept out by armed guards.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Say No to BO

Check the article in Forbes (hardly Mother Jones) titled "The Myth of Chain Migration".

raybies
Layton, UT

1conservative: I've moved three times since I've been married to my wife--always to find employment. Clearly moving to find employment hardly makes you a criminal or nefarious or evil or untrustworthy--it just shows you're willing to go anywhere to support your family.

Fwiw, the "illegal" in my neighborhood who is best friends with my daughter has lived in their house much longer than I have in mine and if the government wants to know if my neighbor is worthy of citizenship, then let me stand up and witness to their good character and stability in our community. They are fine contributors who share their lives with ours and we depend on them, and they on us.

We can do better. The unknown can be scary, but I trust that this country was founded on faith in the face of the unknown. We believe in freedom, not in government control of who is allowed to live where? I don't want to be tracked to make me safe. I want to live in a country that allows us freedom to trust one another.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@Twin Lights
So the Homeland Security Annual Flow Report from April of 2012 is incorrect?
It says that 688,089 (or 64.8%) of the Green Cards issued in 2011 were to Family-sponsored Immigrants.
Do tell how that number is incorrect.

Badger55
Nibley, Ut

The number one problem in today's society...NO accountability. It is always someone else's fault. Should a thief be able to avoid prosecution because of the fact that he may go to jail and it will most certainly split up his family. It makes absolutely no sense.

RRB
SLC, UT

@raybies

Do you really think that illegally entering a country (misdearmeanor) and stealing id's, social security numbers and committing perjury is the same as speeding? The consequences of breaking a law is relative to the severity. The consequences of breaking a law are relevant to the law.

People have to pull up roots to move like you all the time. Moving back to your home country so you can come here legally is no different.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I agree on Humane Reforms. Enforce our laws swiftly and surely and remove the perps quickly. That would be a reform I could endorse.

wrz
Ogden, UT

"... about the need for immigration reform and the broken system's impact on families."

The system is not broken. Our immigration laws are designed to control how many and who comes into this country. Without immigration laws we have no country. Illegal immigrants skirt and thus, essentially negate our laws. This is unacceptable.

"I hope President Obama can do something for families so they're not separated like mine..."

The way to not separate families is to take them with you when you get deported and leave.

prelax
Murray, UT

We have had seven amnesties.
•The one in 1986 for 2.7 million aliens, the amnesty to end all amnesties.
•section 245(i) rolling amnesty of 400,000 in 1994
•section 245(i) extension in 1997
•Central American Relief Act that gave one million Central Americans amnesty 1997
•Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act a amnesty for Haitians 125,000 in1998
•Late amnesty an amnesty for 400,000 that claimed they should of been included in the 1986 act. California courts were back up for years by the claims, finally we gave up. 2000
•Life act amnesty a continuation in 2000 of the 245(i) act 900,000 (approx)
All totaled 6-7 million in seven amnesties. Today 7 million non-farm jobs are being worked illegally while more than 23 million citizens and legal immigrant workers can't find full-time employment. Amnesty has proved seven times it does not work, it's time for enforcement.

Alfred
Ogden, UT

@From Ted's Head:
"Then, there is a hue and a cry when the law is enforced."

Illegal immigrants are becoming less and less worried about deportation.... since Obama got in the US White House.

Furthermore, we can see from the last election that Hispanics are starting to have a significant influence on our national elections and thus, our immigration laws.

@raybies:
"There are more humane and compassionate ways to deal with this, than deportation."

If illegals don't leave, for whatever reason, they have amnesty. Most don't care for citizenship. All they wish to do is live here and take some American worker's job.

Mr. Bean
Ogden, UT

@Twin Lights:
"For those from Mexico and Central America there is virtually no option to do so unless they are wealthy or have advanced training."

If immigrants are looking for work, they should migrate to China where American jobs are being shipped. Oh, wait. China has strict immigration laws. They couldn't get in.

"For decades we have had an incoherent immigration policy."

What's so incoherent about requiring immigrants to enter legally?

"We don’t offer any viable legal means to immigrate but we are desperate for them to fill the menial jobs in our economy."

Too funny! There is a viable way to come here... fill out the papers and get in line.

"And please, let’s be realistic. Yes, they all have broken some laws..."

That's right... ID theft, which is a felony.

"Let’s make the good families here pay the requisite fines and taxes. If they came as adults, perhaps they never get citizenship, just residency."

That's all most want, and it's called amnesty.

SLC gal
Salt Lake City, UT

I love the irony that it's the people who ARE breaking the LAW whining that it needs to be fixed. What other laws should be changed to accomodate the people who are breaking it? I agree that our immigration system could use some tweaking, but NONE of these people would have the issues they're yelling about if they had just done everything legally to begin with!!!

Bomar
Roberts, ID

Cry me a river. The US government doesn't even deport convicted felons in many cases and the felons continue to live a life of crime. How many felons have murdered someone in the last few years, who were not deported or returned after deportation. One prime example is Ruben Chavez-Reyes who killed the deputy near Delta, a convicted felon who returned. I can't believe that law enforcement was not aware of his presence and did nothing. He is one of several examples of this.

AmberDru
Xenia, OH

The parents ignored a deportation order in 1997!

What nerve.
Go home and be with the rest of your family; who is stopping them? They can go where they have even more family!

Legal foreign workers go home when their visas expire and/or their job ends; and they didn't even break the law.

Have a feliz navidad in your own country this year.
You are not above the law.

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