The laws need to be changed. What we are doing today is completely
The parents ignored a deportation order in 1997!What nerve. Go
home and be with the rest of your family; who is stopping them? They can go
where they have even more family!Legal foreign workers go home when
their visas expire and/or their job ends; and they didn't even break the
law. Have a feliz navidad in your own country this year.You
are not above the law.
Cry me a river. The US government doesn't even deport convicted felons in
many cases and the felons continue to live a life of crime. How many felons
have murdered someone in the last few years, who were not deported or returned
after deportation. One prime example is Ruben Chavez-Reyes who killed the deputy
near Delta, a convicted felon who returned. I can't believe that law
enforcement was not aware of his presence and did nothing. He is one of several
examples of this.
I love the irony that it's the people who ARE breaking the LAW whining that
it needs to be fixed. What other laws should be changed to accomodate the people
who are breaking it? I agree that our immigration system could use some
tweaking, but NONE of these people would have the issues they're yelling
about if they had just done everything legally to begin with!!!
@Twin Lights:"For those from Mexico and Central America there is
virtually no option to do so unless they are wealthy or have advanced
training."If immigrants are looking for work, they should
migrate to China where American jobs are being shipped. Oh, wait. China has
strict immigration laws. They couldn't get in."For decades
we have had an incoherent immigration policy."What's so
incoherent about requiring immigrants to enter legally?"We
don’t offer any viable legal means to immigrate but we are desperate for
them to fill the menial jobs in our economy."Too funny! There
is a viable way to come here... fill out the papers and get in line."And please, let’s be realistic. Yes, they all have broken some
laws..."That's right... ID theft, which is a felony."Let’s make the good families here pay the requisite fines and
taxes. If they came as adults, perhaps they never get citizenship, just
residency."That's all most want, and it's called
@From Ted's Head:"Then, there is a hue and a cry when the law is
enforced."Illegal immigrants are becoming less and less worried
about deportation.... since Obama got in the US White House.Furthermore, we can see from the last election that Hispanics are starting to
have a significant influence on our national elections and thus, our immigration
laws.@raybies:"There are more humane and compassionate
ways to deal with this, than deportation."If illegals don't
leave, for whatever reason, they have amnesty. Most don't care for
citizenship. All they wish to do is live here and take some American
We have had seven amnesties.•The one in 1986 for 2.7 million aliens,
the amnesty to end all amnesties. •section 245(i) rolling amnesty of
400,000 in 1994•section 245(i) extension in 1997•Central
American Relief Act that gave one million Central Americans amnesty 1997•Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act a amnesty for Haitians
125,000 in1998•Late amnesty an amnesty for 400,000 that claimed they
should of been included in the 1986 act. California courts were back up for
years by the claims, finally we gave up. 2000•Life act amnesty a
continuation in 2000 of the 245(i) act 900,000 (approx)All totaled 6-7
million in seven amnesties. Today 7 million non-farm jobs are being worked
illegally while more than 23 million citizens and legal immigrant workers
can't find full-time employment. Amnesty has proved seven times it does not
work, it's time for enforcement.
"... about the need for immigration reform and the broken system's
impact on families."The system is not broken. Our immigration
laws are designed to control how many and who comes into this country. Without
immigration laws we have no country. Illegal immigrants skirt and thus,
essentially negate our laws. This is unacceptable."I hope
President Obama can do something for families so they're not separated like
mine..."The way to not separate families is to take them with
you when you get deported and leave.
I agree on Humane Reforms. Enforce our laws swiftly and surely and remove the
perps quickly. That would be a reform I could endorse.
@raybiesDo you really think that illegally entering a country
(misdearmeanor) and stealing id's, social security numbers and committing
perjury is the same as speeding? The consequences of breaking a law is relative
to the severity. The consequences of breaking a law are relevant to the law. People have to pull up roots to move like you all the time. Moving back
to your home country so you can come here legally is no different.
The number one problem in today's society...NO accountability. It is
always someone else's fault. Should a thief be able to avoid prosecution
because of the fact that he may go to jail and it will most certainly split up
his family. It makes absolutely no sense.
@Twin LightsSo the Homeland Security Annual Flow Report from April of 2012
is incorrect?It says that 688,089 (or 64.8%) of the Green Cards issued in
2011 were to Family-sponsored Immigrants.Do tell how that number is
1conservative: I've moved three times since I've been married to my
wife--always to find employment. Clearly moving to find employment hardly makes
you a criminal or nefarious or evil or untrustworthy--it just shows you're
willing to go anywhere to support your family. Fwiw, the
"illegal" in my neighborhood who is best friends with my daughter has
lived in their house much longer than I have in mine and if the government wants
to know if my neighbor is worthy of citizenship, then let me stand up and
witness to their good character and stability in our community. They are fine
contributors who share their lives with ours and we depend on them, and they on
us. We can do better. The unknown can be scary, but I trust that
this country was founded on faith in the face of the unknown. We believe in
freedom, not in government control of who is allowed to live where? I don't
want to be tracked to make me safe. I want to live in a country that allows us
freedom to trust one another.
Say No to BOCheck the article in Forbes (hardly Mother Jones) titled
"The Myth of Chain Migration".
Dektal: If your wife is in labor, do you break the speed limit to get her to the
hospital? For those that fall into this category, these are brave
and courageous pioneers who face their bleak circumstances with hard work and
sacrifice all for their family and the dream of a better life.Yes,
there's poverty all over the world. Give us time, we'll solve that
problem too... but these are our neighbors, and we should do more.And How much more capable of controlling the drug trade, gang violence, and
even better language skills would we be if we had closer/more open and trusting
ties to our immigrants?What cop puts the driver of the speeding car
in a penitentiary while his wife is still in the car delivering a baby? No, the
compassionate thing to do is provide a police escort, and help the ailing woman
to deliver another fine citizen of our country.We can make our
neighbors our friends if we stop treating them like enemies. Many of us get this
already. We see that our freedoms are to be shared, not kept out by armed
So many of you don't get it. Put yourself and family in a position where
you can't feel safe. You barely make enough for your most basic needs.
Your children will get a sub standard education. Your telling me you
wouldn't try to come to America. No you would wait in line for years with
little chance of actually making it. Quit saying invaders they aren't
coming to destroy America they want the same thing that by the grace of god you
were able to be born into.
"...broken immigration system..."What's that supposed
to mean, Marjorie Cortez? All that is is an obfuscative phrase. It means nothing
in itself. The truth is that the immigration system is NOT broken.
What is broken is, first, respect for this country, its sovereignty, its borders
and its laws, on the part of 11 million to 30 million illegal aliens in this
country. The other thing broken is uniform, earnest enforcement of the law. The solution therefore is, first, foreign nationals showing a smidgen of
respect for this nation and its people by not illegally entering and stealing
from it in the first place; and second, enforcing the law by meaningfully
punishing those unwilling to show such respect. The notion that
enforcement of the law breaks up families, is a lie. And it is a
shame that this lie is being passed from mother to child, from one generation to
the next.The TRUTH is that these people break up THEIR OWN families,
by either willfully violating the law and reaping the consequences of doing so,
or by willfully refusing to reunite with their extended families in their home
countries, or both, as in the case of these Avelar sisters.
"raybies" @ 6:24The ONLY way we can accomplish what you want
is through legal monitored and regulated immigration.HOW do you
propose to identify families who are here working hard to support their families
(even though they are breaking the law merely with their presence).I
live all around illegal families. MANY are hardworking, that doesn't make
what they are doing right. BTW - they are very nomadic. They tend to move at
least every 6 months. They are all experts at "getting what's coming
to them"; (they know how to "game" the system quite well)."Third try screen name" is actually quite right in his post. Most of
them are quite fine with things as they are. IF they became legal they would be
subject to all the things that most of us have to pay for that we are just used
to like taxes, stability, learning english, etc. I really
don't think they're all that interested in the responsibilities that
accompany citizenship.Good citizenship skills START with obeying the
laws, even the ones we don't like.
@raybiesI love the analogy about speeding. But it makes no sense.If
I am caught speeding I get a ticket, pay a fine and the mark is on my record.In other words, I take resposibility for my actions.I don't have
politicians and preachers lining up to get me out of the ticket.
@Twin LightsPlease check your information. Chain migration (aka Family
Unification) accounts for 65% of immigration, NOT skills-based entry.So,
who you are related to is the main factor for getting in.It has nothing to
do with wealth or skills.
The current President and for the next four years made this a definite
politically motivated topic when he got votes he needed to win the election. He
didn't help the process in the long run. He made an end run with this
topic and since his naturalized or birth certificate is still in question, he
knew he could making a political gain with votes.The real situation
is enforcement of the laws that exist and have existed for years and decades.
We cannot stand by and not have the laws be enforced that are on the books.
Having lived in El Paso and in Arizona, it is hard for those people to have the
flow of southern traffic every day and not feel secure with people of unknown
backgrounds who have not committed to the pathway of citizenship.When people make a commitment toward citizenship, they agree to principles of
law and order. When they don't commit to those few principles, then we
have a nation that is of unknown origin and people who may not be abiding by our
laws and order and of citizenship.We want people to be a part of our
Criminals crying because they are caught? Have your family get togethers and
celebrations where you are LEGAL folks. It is just that simple. Either jump
through the hoops to become legal citizens or visitors or leave. Many of our
families did it so why can't you?
Ah yes. Go back. Get in line. Do what you need to do and come back legally.
Simple as that, right?Baloney.For those from Mexico and
Central America there is virtually no option to do so unless they are wealthy or
have advanced training.US immigration laws are not what they were a
generation ago. I know a family who were all here on green cards – doing
it the right way. They all got sent back. So we send the message - don’t
bother doing it the right way.For decades we have had an incoherent
immigration policy. We don’t offer any viable legal means to immigrate
but we are desperate for them to fill the menial jobs in our economy. And please, let’s be realistic. Yes, they all have broken some laws but
the vast majority does so only in the pursuit of employment and trying to better
themselves.Let’s make the good families here pay the requisite
fines and taxes. If they came as adults, perhaps they never get citizenship,
just residency. But we need to do better for the kids who have no recollection
of their home country.
RRB: By that logic you're a criminal for driving over the speed limit.
There are more humane and compassionate ways to deal with this, than
deportation. If they are already self-sufficient, and are contributing to
society, they should have a path to citizenship. We should do our best to
support their work ethic, not penalizing them for trying to do the best for
their families. These are courageous people who know they are taking risks, but
weigh the risks of living in abject poverty and hellacious conditions in Mexico,
or coming to the Promised Land and trying to make a better life for their
families. That's the American Dream, and we are killing it by tearing apart
families. You did nothing other than be born in this country to gain
citizenship. I say provide a legitimate way for them to achieve the
American Dream, and reward their initiative and courage. I'm not opposed to
them paying a fee of somesort if that helps. I would like to see the laws change
to support families, especially those that have children born here. Freedom is
sharing, not locking it up behind barbedwire.
It's time they took responsibility for their actions. As far as
getting rid of just the criminals. If they worked here, they committed multiple
felonies. They are all criminals. And it was their choice to break the laws.
I'm not sure they want to keep their families together.Take the 2008
ICE program, Operation: Scheduled Departure.People here illegally were
invited to report to ICE. They would then be given six months to get ready to
leave. We would return them to the airport nearest their home at our expense.
They would not be prosecuted for defying their run letter. They could take
their families with them.Of the 450,000 illegals eligible only EIGHT
people showed up.Methinks they don't want to obey the law, even when
given a chance to make things right.
These people are here patially due to the greed of some employers. They want
cheap labor. They ask the rest of us to pick up the tab for their free health
care, education, rent, and food. The Salt lake chamber of commerce supports all
of this. Thats why i buy nothing in or stay away from the city (one reason).
Laws can change, and should change to accomodate the stable families who are
here, are stable, care for children, and put in an legitimate effort to
contribute to the society in which they live. Solid families are not our
nation's trouble, and should not be targetted by immigration forces.
Eliminate the destructive and corruptive influences like drugs, violence, and
gangs, but allow honest families working for the wellbeing of their children to
stay and continue to share their stability with the folks here that think
it's okay to stay in mommy's basement until they're 35, are
addicted to porn, have a live-in partner, and three kids but no job--not because
they can't qualify for them, but because it would interfere with their
online gaming. If you want to deport a menace to society, deport those who abuse
children through rotating-door relationships and repeat-offender divorcees who
wreck their families to pursue selfish and destructive life-styles.By robbing children in this country of their parents, we are setting up the
next generation of hoodlums--when we could be welcoming them and encouraging
their hard-working ethos.
SImple solution...don't break the law.
They chose this when they left their country of origin. Didn't they leave
their families then? Now, they encourage their now illegal families who have
come here ... to protest something they had control over ... and now wine about
it? I have no empathy. Sorry!
They are the reason the family is split. Not the government. It takes that many
years to deport after the order? The rest of the family can go to the parents
Those caught in events without holding a ticket are escorted out or required to
purchase a ticket. Illegal aliens want USA citizen rights under the Constitution
but they actually STOLE benefits, food, education, housing, medical, and other
taxpayer funded services. How about RESTITUTION, paying back the value of stolen
services as a pre-condition for any kind of amnesty-type solutions? Pay up or
get out should be the order of the day. Criminal Court requires admission of
guilt and a plan of restitution so how can illegal aliens expect to get a free
pass, a free get out of jail free card? Not only that but illegals publicly
protest and even riot to gain acceptance, even resorting to boldly voting
illegally, a hard earned right of American patriots and citizens. How wonderful
that illegals are held in such high esteem by our enabling politicians who
thrive on the backing of illegals. "Illegal" means what it says,
"ILLEGAL." Yes there should be a humane plan to deal with illegal aliens
but admission of guilt is necessary to get forgiveness.
I don't understand how you can blame the United States for breaking up
families. Isn't it the illegal aliens that have CHOSEN to violate our
laws, thus causing the separation in their families? I find this article
intellectually dishonest by implying that it is anyone but the criminals fault
that they are suffering problems.
It's not the laws fault, it's caused by bad decisions on your part.
Stop looking to others to solve your problems, and apologize to
those that your illegal actions have hurt. Then do it the right way.
Agreed, humane reforms are necessary!That means that people
contemplating entering the U.S. illegally should change their plans and instead
get in line to enter in accordance with the law. Very easy to change that, and
not a single new law or dollar of government money is needed to implement it.There is no need for parents and children to be separated, and when the
law is obey, they will not be.If already in the U.S. illegally, then
head back to your native land and get in line.See how easy that
was?By the way, LEGAL immigrants are welcome to come here.
boohoo cry me a river. Yes families are meant to be together but if a parent is
being deported no one is forcing them to leave their children here. The children
can and must go with them regardless of whether or not they were born in this
These families can be together, but perhaps not in the United States.
"Humane reforms"?Certainly. Lets have the 12 million
illegal trespassers already here head home to their country of origin.When we get through writing the new "reforms" we'll notify you
and you can start the immigration process in an orderly fashion.
Order. Structure. Rules intended to protect us. How often does one read an
article about an auto accident where the occupants weren't wearing seat
belts? Did they understand the risks involved? Yet they chose to drive in
violation of a law and suffered the consequences. Because so many people get
away with it the risks seem small. Undocumented immigrants run a risk when they
arrive here with their children and because so few have been deported the risks
seem small. Then, there is a hue and a cry when the law is enforced. I rarely
hear people who are complaining about immigration policy first admit that they
are in this country without proper documentation and some of them illegally.
Could they please confess that they were hoping to bypass the rules, order and
structure of this country to benefit themselves...and they go caught? Could they
ask for leniency before demanding reform? No excuses, no ifs ands or buts...just
a plain "Yes...I shouldn't be here" would go a lot further towards
opening hearts than the sense of entitlement that seems to accompany all the
green red and white flag waving.
Families are meant to be together...in their country of legal residence.
I'm all for humane reforms - just not out right amnesty. There is a way to
obey the law and help those illegals who want to gain citizenship. Sometimes
when you butt in line you have to go to the back of the line but eventually you
will get your turn in front.