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BYU football notebook: Starting in 2014, the Cougars' future bowl destinations are uncertain

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  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 14, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    Anybody else notice the echo when trolls bad mouth the cougs this year. Their hyperventilation just sounds a little... hollow.

    Bowl games are like pizza: when they're good, their great! And when they're bad, they're still pretty good.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    SportsFan said:

    "U 90

    BYU did have an off season in 2012, but unlike U, BYU did qualify for a bowl and BYU was only four plays away from having an 11-1 season.

    Utah, on the other hand, has been in steady decline since 2008, and combining the talent the Utes are losing, plus the increased schedule difficulty, there's nothing on the horizon to indicate that that steady decline won't continue next season."

    Wrong. Had it not been for that play in the 2nd quarter against Oregon State, BYU would be 12-0!
    Get real. Stop trying to spin your 7-5 record this year.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    The irony of Utah replacing BYU with WACish Fresno State and then trying to spin it as an upgrade in schedule is hysterical.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    U 90

    BYU did have an off season in 2012, but unlike U, BYU did qualify for a bowl and BYU was only four plays away from having an 11-1 season.

    Utah, on the other hand, has been in steady decline since 2008, and combining the talent the Utes are losing, plus the increased schedule difficulty, there's nothing on the horizon to indicate that that steady decline won't continue next season.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    54-10
    Salt Lake City, UT
    One thing is certain - The bowl game won't be a BCS bowl game.

    ___________________

    How dare you say that! This is their BCS game. Everyone knows this will get higher TV ratings that the Alabama / ND game.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    U90

    "And in 2012 you would be hard pressed to convince anyone that a 7-5 team with an SOS of 56 is better than a 5-7 team with an SOS of 27, especially when the Cougars lost to the lowly Utes yet again."

    Another Ute conundrum...

    Bowling vs. non-bowling... no convincing necessary.

    _____________________

    Another Coug conundrum...
    WAC legacy, weak TV ratings on ESPN = people just aren't interested in the brand known as BYU football.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    @wildcat

    Remeber last basketball season when you were telling us that weber was going to beat BYU? Then BYU pounded them by around 30 points and you blamed it on the refs. Then you were telling us how weber would give BYU a game in football this year. Then bYU pounded them into the turf and you disappeared for a couple of months.

    You know it is funny but BYU fans never give weber a second thought unless you come around and start talking. As far as weber playing in the little boy equivalent of the sec is concerened, well what was webers record this year?

    LOL!

    _________________

    Well it looks like BYU might have a chance in the future to win the WCC title after all.
    Gonzaga and St. Mary's are working behind the scene on a potential exit from the conference.

    LOL!

    BTW Jimmer is doing awesome. Not!
    Lillard is doing great!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    One thing is certain - The bowl game won't be a BCS bowl game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    @the deuce

    "Is there really any interest in watching BYU and San Diego State play in next week's Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego? "

    Well I'm really going out on a limb here but I'd say there are a lot more people interested in watching the Poinsettia Bowl than the bowl utah is in this year. I would guess there will probably be 25-30,000 BYU fans at the game and a million more watching it. Of course the fact that it will be televised is proof enough that there are people interested in watching it. They don't show games that no one wants to watch unless it is something like the pac12 network where no one watches it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:26 a.m.

    U90

    "And in 2012 you would be hard pressed to convince anyone that a 7-5 team with an SOS of 56 is better than a 5-7 team with an SOS of 27, especially when the Cougars lost to the lowly Utes yet again."

    Another Ute conundrum...

    Bowling vs. non-bowling... no convincing necessary.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    Is there really any interest in watching BYU and San Diego State play in next week's Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego? Everyone talk about going to a bowl game. There are so many bowl games they lose their relevance unless they are tied to national rankings. BYU has a long ways to go to get back to being a respectable program. This starts with the AD making some tough decisions about changing the head coach and OC as soon as possible. Until that happens, Cougar fans will always be wondering where they will play.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    Snack,

    Your assessment on Utah is pretty accurate, they're on a backward slide over the past few years, but so is BYU. I wouldn't call a 7-5 season in which 6 of your wins are against WAC/Big Sky teams a stellar performance or a good recruiting pitch.

    Utah has definitely been the better program over the past 10 years. And in 2012 you would be hard pressed to convince anyone that a 7-5 team with an SOS of 56 is better than a 5-7 team with an SOS of 27, especially when the Cougars lost to the lowly Utes yet again.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    LOL at Snack and Duckhunter talking crap to a Weber State fan. Are you guys seriously threatened by an FCS team?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Wac (USU) Paddled My Utes

    "You don't build a national brand..."

    It's as simple as this... BYU already has the national brand and poor bitter and jealous U just hate to admit it.

    Having a legacy built by Lavell Edwards and watching Bronco rebuild this program since the Crowton era has been good and it's going to get better.

    On the 20th isn't wonderful that so many Ute fans will be tuning in to see if Jabari comes to BYU and then 4 hours later they'll be watching BYU football?

    I'm getting a little teary eyed over the possibilities of global world peace like a Miss America contestant if but for a few hours next week.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    @wildcat

    Remeber last basketball season when you were telling us that weber was going to beat BYU? Then BYU pounded them by around 30 points and you blamed it on the refs. Then you were telling us how weber would give BYU a game in football this year. Then bYU pounded them into the turf and you disappeared for a couple of months.

    You know it is funny but BYU fans never give weber a second thought unless you come around and start talking. As far as weber playing in the little boy equivalent of the sec is concerened, well what was webers record this year?

    LOL!

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 7:02 p.m.

    Snack PAC,

    Actually, the Wildcats play in a conference similar to the SEC at the FCS level. Three of the teams in the conference were ranked in the top ten this season. They played Fresno State and your very own Cougars this year. They do good for their size and resources.

    BYU plays GT and Texas next year--glad you are thinking Boise is big. Other than one planned trip by Wisconsin, nobody big is for sure scheduled to come to Provo--unless you count Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, and Houston.

    I would have loved to see BYU join the Big 12, but they don't want to face that challenge--why rip on Utah for stepping up? Especially when they have BYU's number lately.

    BYU lost to Boise
    BYU lost to San Jose State
    BYU beat USU 6-3 at home
    who knows how San Diego State will go
    BYU would be in competitive games against Fresno State and Nevada.

    The point is they are way far from being too good for the MWC. With this year's weak offense, they very well could have finished fifth if USU and SJSU were in it this year.

    No LOL--just sad.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Dec. 13, 2012 6:55 p.m.

    Snack PAC said:

    "Yes, the trend is obvious to any recruit who can read.

    The Utes are a two hit wonder that hit its peak and is fading fast.

    After all of the whining about BYU scheduling WAC teams the last couple of years, its hysterical that Utah is running away from BYU to play a WAC team."

    At least BYU is carrying on the tradition of losing to your two hit wonder!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 5:34 p.m.

    Wildcat

    If BYU fans talking about almost beating the #1 team in the country on their home turf bothers you so much, then stay off the BYU blogs.

    btw, none of your other comparisons even come close.

    BYU plays Texas, Georgia Tech, Boise State, and Utah at home next year.

    Who do the Wildcats play?

    "If Boise State and SDSU rejoin the MWC--BYU could potentially be a fifth-place team in that conference...now I am starting to get this independent thing."

    LOL! Based on what, your own purple-hazed view of the world?

    BYU is 27-7-1 versus the Aztecs and BYU only lost to the Broncos by a single point on their own smurf turf this year. BYU has games against the Broncos scheduled for the next decade. So you're delusional if you think BYU would be in the least bit scared of either of them.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    U 90

    13-0 Top 10
    10-3 Top 20
    10-3 one poll
    8-5 unranked
    5-7 no bowl

    Yes, the trend is obvious to any recruit who can read.

    The Utes are a two hit wonder that hit its peak and is fading fast.

    After all of the whining about BYU scheduling WAC teams the last couple of years, its hysterical that Utah is running away from BYU to play a WAC team.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    For the love of...a higher power, can we please give it a rest about ALMOST beating Notre Dame!

    USU ALMOST beat Wisconsin--BUT THEY DIDN'T
    San Jose State ALMOST beat Stanford-BUT THEY DIDN'T
    ETC.

    Notre Dame was playing their backup QB against BYU!
    Why be so proud of losing closely to a team?

    I am glad BYU made a bowl game, but the green-light games are on a schedule for a reason--to ensure bowl eligibility. 7-5 with this schedule is nothing to crow about.

    Who did BYU play at home that was big? Oregon State? Washington State? Utah gets to play them on a regular basis. Why make fun of a team for stepping up a level?

    Anyone can play a big team on the road--Colorado State just scheduled Alabama for two games--they didn't need independence to do it.

    If Boise State and SDSU rejoin the MWC--BYU could potentially be a fifth-place team in that conference...now I am starting to get this independent thing.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    mussing,

    It wouldn't bother me if BYU fans rushed the field after beating Utah. The only problem is they can't beat Utah.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    @ Riddles
    "BYU - real bowl
    Utah - couch potato bowl
    Of course, this all fits in with Utah's new recruiting pitch guaranteeing all Utah recruits that they'll be home for the holidays."

    Actually Riddles, Utah's recruiting pitch goes something more like.... 9 bowl invitations in the last 10 years, 8 wins including 2 BSC bowl wins.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    Rumor has it that the Utes are replacing BYU with....

    Fresno State

    in 2014 and 2015.

    What's the over/under on how many times the MUSS will rush the field after beating the Bulldogs?

  • PAC 12 Punching Bag SLC, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    @No common sense

    "The Aggies were not ranked when we played them."

    I really wish my fellow Utah fans would quit being so hypocritical. All we do is say how it doesn't matter what a team is ranked during the season when you beat them, the only thing that matters is if they are ranked at the end of the season. We continue to say BYU's victory over #3 ranked Oklahoma didn't count because they didn't end the season ranked but now we are saying BYU's victory of USU doesn't count despite the fact that they ended the season ranked.

    So which is it fellow Utah fans?

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Dec. 13, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    WACpaddled - ...and national brands are not built sitting at home watching the bowl season on TV.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    No Conference Championships for U

    "The Aggies were not ranked when we played them."

    So U LOST to a one-win, unranked WAC team.

    Congratulations!

    BYU, on the other hand, BEAT a team that is currently 10-2 and ranked #18.

    BYU led #1-ranked Notre Dame 14-10 in the 4th Quarter at South Bend, before eventually suffering a close loss 17-14 in a nationally televised game. Regardless of how desperately our jealous friends on the hill try to discount it, that kind of competitiveness against the possible national champion on their home turf does build national credibility, especially when Notre Dame beat #8 Stanford 20-13 only a week earlier on that same field, and beat #11 Oklahoma in Norman 30-13, a week after barely getting past BYU.

    U aren't even going to a bowl and haven't been ranked since joining the PAC 12, so stop whining about a team that has accomplished more as an Independent than U have as a member of a "power" conference.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    Silent Lurker

    Another feable attempt at minimizing BYU's accomplishments by a jealous Utah troll.

    Here's some more "math" for U.

    Since the PAC 10.2 was created:

    Utah is 1 of 5 PAC schools with a losing conference record, placing the Utes a tenuous 8th overall in the conference, barely ahead of 9th and 10th place California and Arizona.

    1 Ore 16-2
    2 Stan 16-2
    3 USC 12-6
    4 UCLA 11-7
    5 Wash 10-8
    6 ASU 9-9
    7 OSU 9-9
    8 Utah 7-11
    9 Ariz 6-12
    10 Cal 6-12
    11 WSU 3-15
    12 Col 3-15

    Instead of whining about BYU's accomplishments, maybe you should start worrying about Utah's distinct lack of accomplishments. Becoming a perennial conference bottom dweller is nothing to brag about.

    ranked and bowl > unranked and no bowl, regardless of how you spin it

    Call us when U beat your first PAC 12 team with a winning record.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Dec. 13, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT
    WACpaddled

    You may not build a national fan base playing schools like Idaho, New Mexico St, and Utah, but you do build a national fan base playing schools like Notre Dame, Texas, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Michigan, and West Virginia.

    BYU beat RANKED Utah State THIS YEAR!

    When was the last time the Utes beat a ranked team?

    Hint: It was that team our jealous little brothers on the hill are constantly trying to claim is "irrelevant".

    Gotta laugh at the irony of Utah's only two "meaningful" wins since joining the PAC 10.2 came versus BYU.

    Speaking of bowl games, the subject of this article, where will U be next week, during bowl week?

    >>>>>>>

    The Aggies were not ranked when we played them.
    We can't build a national identity as a looser, look at who we lost to this year and last as an independent. Our record against ranked teams is very slim the past several years.
    Fellow BYU fans need to stop this nonsense. Utah beat us again and we were not ranked again.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    If the bowl games had no conference tie-ins, we'd be sought after every year by all the bowls.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    So lets do some math here. Assuming there were four teams in the independent category (Army, Navy, BYU and ND) with 22 spots on the offence and defense plus a couple for special teams. This gives us a total of 48 being named to first and second team honors. BYU placed 15 on the list, if we divide 48 by 4 it gives us 12 per team. Now in reality BYU took three of Army or Navies places assuming they didn't displace any from ND. In that context it really isn't such an large accomplishment. How can a reporter try to make a story out of this. Is it any wonder that the BYU fans are so misguided and misinformed?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    You may not build a national fan base playing schools like Idaho, New Mexico St, and Utah, but you do build a national fan base playing schools like Notre Dame, Texas, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Michigan, and West Virginia.

    BYU beat RANKED Utah State THIS YEAR!

    When was the last time the Utes beat a ranked team?

    Hint: It was that team our jealous little brothers on the hill are constantly trying to claim is "irrelevant".

    Gotta laugh at the irony of Utah's only two "meaningful" wins since joining the PAC 10.2 came versus BYU.

    Speaking of bowl games, the subject of this article, where will U be next week, during bowl week?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    alternate
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Now back to the article. I believe that the increasing growth of the BYU "brand" will insure that BYU will always be able to play in a bowl game whenever eligible. It is amazing how BYU's national imaging is growing.

    ______________

    Growing based on what? I don't recall reading any national headlines saying anything like this. Just another fabrication from BYU hopefuls. You don't build a national brand by playing Idaho and New Mexico State on national TV. You do that by beating ranked teams.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    National title games every year is pretty much certain.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    With the basketball schools bolting the Big East and the conference on the verge of collapse, and the playoffs starting in 2014, there's going to be a lot of reshuffling of bowl tie-ins.

    It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    I believe that we don't really know what 2014 will bring. We are still in the 2013 football season. 2014 stuff including completion of recruiting, spring and fall camps, and the actual games are still in the future.

    As far as this year goes, I am glad the Aggies and Cougars are in bowl games. I am also very proud of what Snow College accomplished in their bowl game in the famous Carrier Dome in Syracuse, NY.

    I also regret that Weber St, Utah, SUU and others will not be able to play in a bowl this year. I have some very dear people in my life who are extremely disappointed because this is a stay at home year. Anytime you can get to a bowl game, even the lowly rated games, it is still another chance to play and for that matter watch football.

    Now back to the article. I believe that the increasing growth of the BYU "brand" will insure that BYU will always be able to play in a bowl game whenever eligible. It is amazing how BYU's national imaging is growing.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 13, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Riddles in the Dark

    Looks like our "friend's" comment disappeared.

    ------

    royalblue

    I would prefer a tiered bowl rotation with better bowls for more successful seasons, but a regular bowl rotation of San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and of course, San Francisco would also be fun. I'm looking forward to BYU bowling in the Bay Area next season.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 8:31 a.m.

    When you see teams like Florida State only able to sell 2,000 tickets to the Orange Bowl, it's easy to see why a bowl would want to establish a long-term relationship with a program like BYU that always travels well, especially to bowls in the West.

    The Holiday and Las Vegas Bowls were always near sellouts when BYU was playing in their bowl.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Let me make it clear for our delusional little friend from the hill. The team you need to worry about not getting the necessary 6 wins to qualify for a bowl, isn't the team down south, but the team in your own back yard. 2012 is just a precursor of things of the new norm.

    BYU - real bowl
    Utah - couch potato bowl

    Of course, this all fits in with Utah's new recruiting pitch guaranteeing all Utah recruits that they'll be home for the holidays.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Would love to see a regular rotation of San Diego, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Phoenix, with maybe an occasional bowl in Florida thrown in.

    Regardless of where, its fun playing in a bowl every year.