Comments about ‘New crosses in place near Lindon for fallen UHP troopers’

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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 12 2012 6:37 p.m. MST

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Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I am not of a religious tradition that views a cross as a religious symbol. But I am not offended by a cross.

I think that diversity enriches a community. It is unfortunate that some twist the constitution to block diversity from the rest of us.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

May God bless the fallen troopers, and those currently and serving, and also the fine people who donated the land and the new crosses, and the loved one of all of the above.

He may overlook those who are offended by religion and religious symbols.

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

@Tekakaromatagi - it doesn't matter that you are offended or not, the issue is should ANY religious organization representing ANY religious creed be allowed to place religious symbols on PUBLIC land that WE own? Do you really want our highways littered with crosses, Jewish star's of David, the Crescent Moon and Star, Pagan Symbols, Flying Spaghetti Monster symbols? Because if you allow one religious origination to put up a cross on public land, you open the door for everyone else otherwise it is verifiable discrimination and a BIG TIME violation of the 1st Amendment. If religious groups want to put crosses on private property next to the freeway with the owners permission, but all means, go wild. But on OUR land? Really? Think about it...

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

In California, nativity scenes were placed on public property. Atheists and non-Christian groups decided that, instead of suing to have the Christian symbols removed, they would simply join in the celebration by displaying signs and such that reflected their viewpoints. In response to this, the non-Christian items were vandalized. Once the Christian groups were not the only ones participating, there were more participants than spaces and a lottery was held to determine who got to use the spaces. The Christian groups were unhappy with the division of spaces and sued the city to give them preferential treatment. The city decided to get out if the situation and not allow any overnight displays on city property.

Why is it that so many are so willing to not be offended by crosses or other Christian symbols but so willing to be offended by non-Christian symbols?

And why are so many whose religious beliefs recognize the Cross as a sacred symbol so willing to follow the example of Judas and deny sacredness and divinity by degrading the Cross and stripping it of all meaning?

raybies
Layton, UT

Park City Aggie asked: Do you really want our highways littered with crosses, Jewish star's of David, the Crescent Moon and Star, Pagan Symbols, Flying Spaghetti Monster symbols?

ABSOLUTELY. I would absolutely LOVE this. I would love the opportunity to discuss with my kids all the different religious symbols as we drove along the freeway.

It beats the billboards for breast augmentation surgery, the ones suggesting your hips are too wide and you would be a better person if you only had liposuction, or the one billboards advertising adult sex toys and lingerie...

This is not only not offensive, it's absolutely crucial in creating and fostering a country and community that respects all religions and values them. God bless all our brave HW patrol troupers, may they be safe and sound, and to those families who have lost their loved ones in the line of duty my deepest appreciation.

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

What was wrong with the memorial on the Utah State Capitol grounds?

These crosses were initially purposely placed on public lands, to force a court case (which was lost).

Are you all sure that the fallen troopers were Christian, since you want these to be religious displays?

tabuno
Clearfield, UT

It's too bad that a photograph (though it would have dangerous and unwise) couldn't have been taken from the perspective of the hundreds of thousands of vehicles on I-15 that would pass the crosses every day. It's hard to visualize the impact of the crosses from the primary viewers standpoint.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Did CONGRESS pass a law regarding those memorials?

Those who mock the Constitution change the words of that document. They claim that there is "separation". Read the 1st Amendment. No such words exist.

Let us honor the fallen without religious bigiotry.

Reasonable Person
Layton, UT

Mike Richards, yes. Let's honor the fallen WITHOUT religious bigotry .... and take the crosses down.

The traffic passing by, will have no idea what they are about, and their impact will be no more than any piece of advertising along the highway.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

Wait just a minute.
Isn't that the official State of Utah Highway Patrol symbol on those crosses?

You folks are still trying to push a lawsuit, aren't you? That's what this is all about.
It's not about fallen troopers.

It's about an organized campaign to force Utah taxpayers to spend more money to defend this unconstitutional "institution of religion".

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Amen, Kalindra. Excellent description of the California Nativity fiasco.

I'm perfectly happy to see crosses or any other religious symbols honoring fallen troopers--provided that they are on private property, not public property. These crosses, by the way, are paid for with private funds, not public funds.

Just1Voice
WEST JORDAN, UT

I view these memorials as just that - a memorial. Every time I see one, I think about the sacrifice of the Trooper who died in the service of his community. I drive a little safer.

I don't understand the offense. I don't see these are religious symbols. There are many theories about where the cross symbol came from that we use on these memorials. I see them as simply a traditional symbol to remember the deceased. I would support the use of other symbols if the family of the fallen trooper made such a request, just as we see in the National Cemetaries for our fallen soldiers and Sailors.

They have been moved off of public property. I appreciate the private parties who donated the space to make this possible.

As for the question about the UHP emblem being used, the answer is "No." It is the emblem of the UHP Association, which is a private organization and not the official state law enforcement agency. There may be similarities in the design, but it is not the same.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@ParkCityAggie

Aren't religious people part of the "WE"?

The first amendment says what congress can not do, it does not what WE can do.

It is not violation in any way or form.

It is unfortunate that the easily offended LEFT want to control everyone and their lifes, and want to follow a modern twisted and wrong interpretation.

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