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Vigil to emphasize need for immigration reform, advocates say

Published: Tuesday, Dec. 11 2012 7:15 p.m. MST

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Jazz Bass Man
Wellsville, Utah

Suprise surprise, the deseret news is at it again, publishing tear jerker stories about illegals, and the kids of illegals who are suffering for the bad decisions of their parents. Give it up DN. Law breakers need to be punished, just as the rest of us are punished if we break the laws of the land.

The people of Utah are very compassionate and charitable, but we will not tolerate those who break our immigration laws and spit on our country, no matter what propaganda the media and the corrupt business leaders throw out there.

Layton, UT

For those who hit me with scriptures... saying they deserve what they get, here's one for y'all...

Mosiah 4:17-19
17 Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—

18 But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God.

19 For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?

What did you do to earn your way into this country? We've a wonderful blessing of freedom here. That gift should be shared. Doing so will make this whole world a better place.

Murray, UT

The anti-immigration attitude of utah conservatives is just wrong.
When my grandmother came over the beginning of last century she did not have to jump through a bunch of hoops. checked for TB and have a good day.
I have no problem with someone who wants to come to this country and work.
People act like they own this land. Anytime we could be swept off and replaced with someone else.
Mexican immigrants did not cause all the problems in this country. They did not raise the cost of oil, they did not force people to buy bigger houses then they could afford.

Mr. Matthews
Orem, UT

Food for Thought: While serving a Spanish speaking LDS mission in the United States, I met and taught many people who came to the U.S. illegally. I specifically asked my mission president, who asked area authorities if these people could still qualify for baptism, even though they were technically breaking the law. I was told that it was okay to baptize them. Maybe observing how the Church views these people can help soften some of the harsh opinions that I see whenever a story on immigration comes up.

Do we need to have a secure and enforced method of monitoring immigration into our country? Absolutely.
Do we need to look at people who have immigrated here illegally as less-than-human scum? Absolutely not.

very concerned
Sandy, UT

@The Scientist

Clever post, but - in my opinion - inaccurate. "I think laws that keep people out of another group are bad laws." is too broad of a staement.

Here are some examples of groups that rightly exclude some people from membership: policemen and firemen, the military, law practice, doctors, voters (discriminated by both age and citizenship), who can legally come and work here, who can serve in government offices. If we fought for everyting to be "equal", we'd have to force the NFL to hire 50-year-old, small, and weak people as players. We'd have to let the likes of the Taliban (if not citizens and not born in the U.S.) run for president and let children be doctors or judges.

Selective membership and priveliges are at the heart of organized religion! The constitutionally protected operation of religion would be hugely trampled without it.

DN Subscriber 2

The lingering effects of breaking laws last forever.

The benefits from FOLLOWING the law also last forever.

Shame on the Deseret News for their continued efforts to portray criminals as sympathetic figures. Instead, you should be following the efforts of the wonderful people who OBEY the laws, come here LEGALLY, work hard, and prosper among us.

When someone chooses to break laws, they alone are responsible for the bad consequences the harm them. I am sorry these people made bad choices, but they can repent, and do the right thing, if they choose to do so.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The election over, it must be amnesty season once again.
It may surprise you that the immigration enforcement process has compassion built into it already. The agency is called BIA and they even train lawyers who want to do pro bono work to help illegal aliens present their cases. (Of course, immigration lawyers will represent you...for a fee.)
And often these illegal aliens will be granted their own personal amnesty based on work or family situation. It happens every day.
The trouble is that so many have entered illegally (about one third of all foreign-born) that these appeals courts are flooded with work.
For my part, I would prefer a swift-and-sure deportation component because it would deter others from coming here and gaming the system. But government creates its own problems.
If our laws mean anything we will need to deport more people.

Bluffdale, UT

The bad guys are the ones hiring people that are not legal, not the people. They want a sub cultrue of low paid workers to make more profit. The whole country is moving that way with right to work laws that allow unions to lose. And the rich to pay ever lower wages so we can go back 100 years in time and have the robber barons in power. Our income is not going up for the aveage worker and pay roll insurance is being done away with in record numbers. Think people 100 years ago many worked 12 hour days. and children worked with you.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

...which explains why states like Utah and Texas are fairing better than Michigan and Illinois.
Unions have their place but common sense dictates that you cannot pay a worker $75 an hour to turn screws on a glove compartment, not to mention the legacy costs of pensions.
You are right that the illegal alien problem is primarily a labor problem, but the workers are no more innocent than those who hire them. Worksite raids coupled with owners and managers doing the perp walk with the employees is the way to go.

Murray, UT

DN Subscriber 2
Laws are arbitrary and change over time.
Not all laws should be followed (do I have to give examples?)
Many things that are wrong; are not illegal.
I and every American citizen suffered a loss of income due to the wall street-bank bailout.
How many bankers and brokers went to prison?
Why is the owner of the Crandall mine not in prison for nine counts of negligent homicide?
When was the last time a company owner was criminally prosecuted for pollution violations that led to deaths and sickness?
When was the last time a car salesman was prosecuted for communication fraud?
The argument that I was just following orders/obeying the law; does not always work.

Kearns, UT

The would not have families we we didn't pay them to have them. Every anchor child brings welfare money to these illegal alien's.

Murray, UT

I think we need to consider that we have invaded other countries. What is our moral justification?
Because they have terrorist in them? How many countries have terrorist in them? Our own country has Italian, Chinese, Japanese, and Russian mobsters: should we invade these countries because some of their citizens are terrorist?
Most of those who caused the 9-11 disaster were Saudi Arabians.
Why did we not invade Saudi Arabia?
Why do we not invade China?
There are economic terrorist in China: they steal our technologies and violate our copyright laws. There are people in China trying to hack into our computer systems.
Why do we not invade Somalia: they openly have pirates that are attacking American boats?
The atrocities being committed in Africa outweigh anywhere else in the world.
How can we fault Mexicans coming into our country to work; when we have openly invaded other Middle East counties for no other reason than oil?

Murray, UT

I don't think the Deseret news should be encouraging illegal activity.
And the only people I hear using the "less than human" argument is the pro-illegal people in an attempt to discredit those who want the laws enforced. .

"If your neighbor commits an evil upon another of your neighbors, you are under obligations to see that the person who has committed the evil be suitably chastised, as much so as though the wrong had been committed upon you. Now this is hard to believe; but if you wish to correct people, and lead them to life and salvation, what difference is it where the evil is committed, or upon whom? Is it not the duty of a minister of God to correct evil and take it from an individual or from the people, and place them upon saving ground, whenever an opportunity presents itself? It is the duty of every individual. " Brigham Young, vol. 8, pp. 364-368 JOD

Salt Lake City, UT

The phrase "broken immigration system" is nothing more nor less than euphemistic code for "there should be open borders, and those who have scoffed at and disobeyed U.S. immigration law should be rewarded." If this group sincerely believed that what they are advocating for is morally right and fair and good for the country, they wouldn't be obfuscating their true agenda behind the euphemism, "broken immigration system." The truth of course is that there is nothing "broken" about the immigration system. Immigration law simply needs to be enforced for a change.

"All politicians... recognize the demographics are changing in this country."

Bryan Gutierrez is right about that. The country is being increasingly overrun by families who disdain this nation, its sovereignty, and its laws.

"HB497... could result in racial profiling," he said.

A specious argument. Racial profiling potentially could occur with the enforcement of ANY law.

"It is basically attrition by enforcement."

Correct, Mr. Gutierrez. And illegal aliens should be grateful that Utah allows them the remarkably lenient opportunity to put their affairs in order, avoid jail time and fines, and return in peace to their home countries.

Parents who come here illegally break up their own families.

Huntsville, AL

Sad but lawbreakers bring it on their own selves. The feds ought to be busting the CEOs first, though. Fine them big the first time. Jail the next. It won't take long to stop illegals. If you do not want to be separated from your family, don't come here illegally.

Kaysville, UT

People, including parents of unsuspecting children, should adhere to the laws and regulations of the country they are in. If you don't have a visa or permission to enter the country, it is against the law to be in that country, legally and morally. There are multiple ways and methods to get into the country, legally and with permission. The children that are born here, may have citizen status, but that is not a guarantee for the couple that had the child. People take a chance when they cross the border and were probably not at a legal and authorized crossing when they entered.

It is not the problem of enforcement officers when applying the law. The people who crossed the border knew they had a potential for being detained either at the border, the frontera or desert that they were crossing in order to get to their location for a pickup by someone.

You take a chance and unfortunately your children also take a chance when it comes to being detained. It appears that most get educational and medical attention as agreed to but federal enforcers could also apply their detaining to others, also.

Provo, UT

We were promised that the 1986 amnesty would be the only one. That laws put in place would stop it.

We were told that the 1996 NAFTA would end illegal immigration. That Mexico would control their side of the border. In the 1996 "reform" we were promised the laws would stop it.

Fact is, comprehensive immigration reform has done nothing in the past, and will not stop it in the future. It's time our Government kept it's promise to the American people and enforce the laws.

Salt Lake City, UT

"What a sad, shameful commentary on the consequences of anti-immigration policies. Thank you D-News for keeping this story alive. We need to remember."

Yes, TMR in L.A.. We do need to remember and folks that put their families in bad positions should also be reminded that they and their families are responsible for their actions.

Anyone from L.A. should be able to see what sanctuary cities bring to their citizens.

Provo, UT

Raybies: Those fully functional families as you put it are committing a crime just by being here illegally. They take our resources for free which leaves out help for U.S. citizens. I say that if parents are deported they take their children with them.

Layton, UT

So what? Everytime you go over the speed limit, you're as evil. Families should not be broken up over this. We have no business to legally destroy it with deportation. We should do all we can to keep them together.


I'm all for law-abiding, but laws can and should be changed to accomodate the most uplifting and wholesome aspects of society. What's more wholesome than hardworking individuals caring for one's wife, children and family?! We complain endlessly about the breakdown of families, about how marriage is being destroyed through redefinition and divorce, and here we have families that are being dissembled because someone living in abject poverty, watching his family starve to death, has the courage and initiative to do something about it!

I say, let them stay. Let them pay a fine of some sort if you must punish them, and then give them a legitimate pathway to citizenship. Deport the drug lords, the violent elements, and the coyotes... but keep families together and here in our country. God has made this land of liberty, who are we to get in the way of that?

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