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Published: Saturday, Dec. 8 2012 11:53 p.m. MST

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Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

BYU tightened the screws down the stretch and the Utes folded; not surprising that Utah's hot shooting against Boise State and at the beginning of the BYU game would eventually cool off.

indycrimson
Franklin, IN

The Utes surprised many. We can only hope that the Boise and BYU games are a sign of how this team has jelled earlier than expected. Lots of talk about moral victory? Not for me, a win is a win and the winner is a) the better team and b) earns bragging rights...in both cases BYU won...

Now all of the chatter about strength of schedule etc...and the PAC 12 being weak...below is the definition of weak, Sagarin current ranking:

CA. 24. Portland 269
AZ. 26. San Diego. 235
CO. 34. Pepperdine. 221
Stan. 40. San Fran. 124
OR. 57. Santa Clara. 97
OR ST 65. St Mary. 70
WA. 68. Gonzaga. 4
UCLA. 71. Loyola M. 150
AZ St. 88. BYU. 58
SoCal. 91
WASt. 111
Utah. 181

BYU has 5 teams they will play twice that are worse than Utah. Utah will play 5 teams twice that are better than BYU... So we can congratulate byu on beating #181... And stop the chatter about scheduling strength.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Both teams had droughts so that's not a totally viable excuse for losing.

But the change to a zone defense and shutting down the easy points that the Utes had control in the paint was probably the real reason things turned around. Fouls also allowed the Cougars to cash in at the charity stripe.

Carlino dumping 3s is what clenched the game, especially those couple of back to back 3s to tighten the game and change the momentum.

So Utes you have the beginnings of something of a team this year. Not sure how long the muggings under the basket (Davies) and away from the ball (Haws) will take you but if you can get away with more agressive play you might win a few more games.

Congrats for your moral victory in a rebuilding season. Let the Ute chest pounding begin! LOL

nunya
sacramento, ca

hahahahaha

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

"Dean said that BYU’s switch to a zone STUNNED them in the second half. The Utes, he explained, got stagnant and didn’t move the ball like they had in the first half.

Utah built a 12-point lead before the break and held a 35-26 advantage at halftime. The Utes had 22 points in the paint and shot 46.4 percent from the field over the first 20 minutes."

By mugging Davies and Haws throughout the game, the Utes almost pulled it off, but as soon as Carlino became the third scoring option BYU has been looking for, game over.

Congrats Cougs!

SportsFan
Orem, UT

indycrimson

Nice try, but the only SOS U need to worry about is Utah's, and the Ute's pre-season SOS is so pathetically weak, currently 273rd in the country, that the Utes effectively eliminated themselves from the post season, before the season began.

So beat your chest about how strong the PAC 12 is this year, but the truth is, that gives Utah even less of a chance of stealing a PAC 12 tourney title, which is the only way the Utes would have of playing in the NCAAs this season.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

A confidence maker for Utah; a confidence breaker for BYU.

Utah fans tuned in, expecting the Utes to lose, but curious if the Boise State game was a fluke. It wasn't. Fans progresed from expecting to lose, to enjoying the Ute domination (even the BYU-TV commentators remarked on this), to "maybe we could win this".

Cougar fans entered the game unsettled with the season so far. They spent 7/8 of the game wringing their hands and wondering "how can this be happening?" Afterall, this is the worst team in the PAC 12. "We should be winning by 20 or more!" The enjoyment of a last minute win will soon give way to more questions, grumbling about the line up, and growing doubt.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Utah, picked to be the worst team in the PAC-12, dominated BYU in the paint in the first half. We went away from it in the second half and lost because of 8 missed open shots. Overall I think we can all agree that Coach K has the team on the right track. I'm impressed by our defense, we held BYU to 61 on the road and Boise to 55 at home. If we continue to play defense like that we'll be in every game this year.

@SportsFan

SOS? What about the RPI, which is used by the NCAA to help pick at-large teams and determine seeds for the NCAA Tournament?

Can you please look that up and get back to us.

alternate
Salt Lake City, UT

I think at times everyone gets hung up on ratings. Last night showed that what counts is what happens on the floor. Utah's coaches made a decision to take Davies and Haws out of the offense and it almost worked. The problem was that the early missed open shots started to fall at the end. The other problem for Utah was the physical play eventually got them into foul trouble and BYU started getting to the line.

We learned what most already supsected that Utah is getting better and BYU has a real problem with offensive production outside of Davies and Haws.

Both teams shot in the 30% range and each had one half of less than 30. Good defense, yeas, but, many misses were wide open shots. I think where the good defense came in was forcing changes in the other team's game plan.

So Utah fans can crow what might have been and BYU fans quieting be grateful that the bullet missed.

In a way, kind of like this year's football game. Neither team played well and a missed 3 pointer was the deciding difference in the game.

Utes22
SPRINGVILLE, UT

You don't often see so many comments about the poor officiating coming from fans of the team that won the game and shot more free throws. I did watch the game and thought it was called pretty well. It's funny watching the game on BYU TV and hearing the BYUTV announcers agree with most of the calls but the fans booing like crazy on virtually every call. It was a great game and I tip my hat to the Cougars. They sure fought hard and came back to beat the Utes. Good luck on the rest of you schedule.
Go Utes!!!

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motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

TrueBlue & sammyg ...

Whine all you want about the "mugging" that supposedly happened at the hands of Utah, but until the BYU coaching staff learns how to teach their teams to cope with tough D as well as play some tough D of their own, they'll never do much damage in the post season.
I like Rose and staff, but the run and gun mentality is better for watching/entertainment than it is for winning big games late in the season. This is something Majerus understood and the current staff at Utah gets it as well ... it's just a matter of time and a few more recruits.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I don't know that Haws and Davies got "mugged"(well maybe a little) but the Utes played very aggressive defense to their credit. It was an exciting game to see on TV. The hometown fans booing the refs is just part of the game, it even happens in the Huntsman Center.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

Since this was a BYU win, I was surprised to see so many nay-sayer Ute fans post. Where are the BYU fans? Great strategy and great game! How we love our BYU players and coach Rose!

Go Cougars!

How gr8 isthat
Washington, UT

Put in Lark now so there won't be any would of could of should of in basketball.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

Funny how far the u has fallen! To be excited about only losing by 3. You still lost!!! Get used to it as you won't win many more this year.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@indycrimson - "Now all of the chatter about strength of schedule etc...and the PAC 12 being weak...below is the definition of weak, Sagarin current ranking:"

I'm not sure if you were referring to my comments, but Strength of Schedule and Weakness are not the same thing. I have no trouble conceding the PAC is a stonger conference this year than the WCC. But what I don't buy into is that the PAC is one of the top conferences. The Big East and Big 10 are clearly at the top. The PAC is not in the Top 5. The MWC is ahead of the PAC. The WCC is particularly weak at the bottom. But there is a very good possibility that both the PAC and the WCC will have three teams in the dance. I'm surprised the PAC only has one team in the Top 25. I thought the PAC would be greatly improved over last year, but I think they are about the same as last year.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@Uteology - "Overall I think we can all agree that Coach K has the team on the right track."

I completely agree, Coach K has Duke out to a 9-0 start and ranked #2, but this article is about the Utes and Cougars not Duke.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

CougFaninTX, you may be right, we're still a long way from Selection Sunday, though, so there's a lot to be proven the rest of the season. Certain teams in the PAC (UW, USC) are down, but others (Arizona, Oregon State) seem to be hitting stride again, while a few others look good at times, but are too inconsistent (Colorado, Oregon, Cal, Washington State, UCLA, with Utah climbing into the conversation now). However, most experts don't agree with you that the Pac-12 isn't among the top 5 conferences overall. They definitely are very distantly behind the Big East, B1G, and ACC, but maybe not too far behind the Big XII.

The MWC is not looking as tough this year. UNLV was beaten at home by Oregon and needed a buzzerbeater today to get by Cal. Fresno was beaten handily by Wazzu. Utah smashed Boise State. CU handled by CSU. SDSU is formidable, as always, and Wyoming and Boise are really their surprise teams this year, but their top teams don't seem as good, and the bottom teams are much, much worse. But the season is still early, so who knows?

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Meant to say CU handled CSU, not handled by.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

The headline could have just as easily been "Early shooting woes almost cost BYU the game!"

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