What a bunch of cry babies. These trains are awesome!
I am a Frontrunner commuter and was very discontent with the service yesterday.
I worked for six and a half hours and my total time with Frontrunner service was
eleven hours. The train got me to work about 20 minutes late and so I had to
make up that 20 minutes at the end of my day. I am a part-time worker commuting
from Clearfield to Salt Lake and so those extra minutes at work caused me to
miss the 2:00 p.m. train and I didn't yet know that they discontinued the
half hour service that used to run starting at 1:30. So I was left waiting for
the next train for nearly an hour in 30 degree weather. I board the train and
have a very strange person come to sit next to me, and before long starts asking
for a hand-out. Very annoying. I will frequently have to work an extra half
hour at work and this leaves me having to wait for an hour to board the
North-bound train. They have discontinued the express bus to Clearfield station
so, as far as I can tell, this leaves me no options. Frustrating.
Found out first hand today that SLC-Provo-SLC takes 3 hours, if you never exit
the train. That's pretty slow, considering it is only about 42 miles and
the train has the right-of-way for every foot.
UTA was (briefly) a good little bus line, then they had to go and become a
railroad. Two inconvenient and incompatible types of rail so far, and a third
under construction in Sugarhouse. This is 2012, not 1912; passenger rail is
inflexible and inconvenient. Buses are better.UTA is not about the
riders - if they were there would be restrooms at the train stations. UTA is run
for the benefit of UTA management.
@What in Tucket?58 Years to be precise IF it runs 365/days/year with
at least 8,000 riders at $5/ticket. However if we take into account
operating expenses, upgrades, maintenance, slow weekend days, holidays etc.
It's probably going to take 75-100 years to ever get close to paying it
off. Typical government kick the can down the road mentality. The next
generations will have to deal with today's govt boondoggle. I'm with the other posters that said we should have just added more
freeway lanes, some dedicated commuter buses and increase router frequency where
needed (after some analytic studies). If I remember correctly - UTA spent about
$15 Million on the HOV Lane in the south section. Why not just make more
General Purpose lanes? It's cheap and EVERYONE will benefit. Rail
commuters make up such a small percentage. GRRRR
The naysayers are so full of donkey dust, they're polluting the
Well, well, well. They have more rail than trains to run on them. With the
recession maybe they could "rent" a few locomotives from Union Pacific
and get all those cars that are moth-balled in plastic shrink-wrap at Beck
Street into service. Of course keeping the number of trains in balance with the
miles of rail involves what some would call "advanced planning." (Rocket
science, no?) I can hardly wait to see how inconveniet it is going to be to try
and take trax to the airport and catch a flight in a reasonable amount of time.
If a few do that, watch SLC raise long-term parking prices yet again. Somehow
there aren't any coordination/long-term planners involved to make schedules
work. And the UTA solution in the past was to just "cut busses" and now
it's to "cut busses and trains" that have been in place and are
working somewhat. When something works you don't mess with it to try and
accomodate new growth. The newly expanded routes should stand on their own. No
wonder the head of UTA took his fat retirement and called it quits.
It is so nice that UTA builds such a wonderful train service. It doesn't
surprise me a bit that they totally SCREW IT UP!!! Every step forward we take
5 back. The reason UTA is not convenient is that the overpaid people at the
top have no idea how to use their ears. I am sure they cold afford hearing
aids. I use UTA 4 days a week. It seems the planners are trying to
get us to use the newest services by doing away with the older services we are
used to. This is despite making my already long day 1 - 2 hours longer to make
connections. I am like the other guy. I am going to drive.
For the money spent on FrontRunner, we could have run more direct, frequent and
convenient bus services for DECADES. Pick a few direct routes from various
areas on the Wasatch Front to downtown, the airport and the ski resorts.
Instead, UTA wants to drive everyone to a slow, inefficient, inconvenient
central Rail and Trax system.Brigham Young may have had great vision
for Salt Lake when he arrived, and did a good job planning for the future. We
need such vision today. If we are going to spend the money, let's do it
right. Surface level streetcars (e.g. Trax) are slow, hinder ground traffic,
and make connections in inclement weather a nightmare. Shanghai, Hong Kong,
some LatAm cities and many others have built efficient and effective mass
transit systems that are fast, frequent, and convenient. UTA's hodgepodge
system of slow trains, above ground electric trains and buses is not fast,
efficient or convenient. Frankly, it is a huge taxpayer subsidized boondoggle.
But the head of this organization makes hundreds of thousands of dollars per
year to run this highly subsidized system.We need visionaries TODAY!
Where is our Brigham Young?
UTA has been horribly mismanaged. The new FrontRunner trains are a step
backwards for public transportation in many ways. There are no express trains,
the trains run too infrequently to be convenient, and most of the connector bus
routes to FrontRunner and Trax are slow, infrequent and make too many stops.The recent cancellation of the express buses from North Utah county will
drive me and many others back into our cars and back onto the roads. If I were
to take bus-to-FrontRunner-to-bus to commute to downtown, my commute would jump
from 40 or so minutes, to about 90 minutes each way. That is an additional hour
and a half PER DAY commute. Needless to say, my time is worth more than the
cost of driving.UTA did a poor job analyzing customer needs, and
instead did what most bureaucracies do: They started with their desired asset
(FrontRunner) and business plan, then figured out what to do with them. Well
run enterprises start with the customer need, and tailor the goods or services
to meet that need. I predict increased financial problems for UTA going
forward. It's not a tough prediction to make.
The south line cost $850,000,000 and at $5 a ticket and 8,000 riders a day that
is $40,000 a day. I think it comes to 50 years or more to pay it off if ever.
I don't understand. That one hour midday schedule has already been in
place as long as I can remember. I just looked at the new schedules and
discovered there is very little change with the exception of some strange runs
that start at the new North Temple station and head to Ogden.Why is