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Published: Thursday, Dec. 6 2012 9:15 a.m. MST

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kargirl
Sacramento, CA

budhenson, you inspired me, so I got the whole thing:
We believe all that God has revealed,

all that He does now reveal, and we

believe that He will yet reveal many

great and important things pertaining

to the Kingdom of God.

I'm not God...or even Jesus. Having said that, I can state only one other thing for certain--while it is possible the doctrine could modify and/or change through revelation, I definitely can't tell you if, when, or how much. And, not being God or even Jesus, and knowing that my Heavenly Father, in the preexistence gave free agency to all His children to choose which plan to follow here, and being sure His heart broke, as any parent's would, when many chose not to choose His plan, I don't see where I have the right to tell anyone what they should do. I still can't get to bed early enough to be alert on Sunday morning. Show me an LDS gay person with that as the worst problem in the world, and I'll eat my ol' drill, cord and all.

killpack
Sandy, UT

"What you don't have the right to do is to push those beliefs into law to the detriment of your fellow human beings."

Define law and define detriment. First of all, I can't change natural laws. I suppose I could change man-made laws to a degree, but why would I want to do that? I am vehemently opposed to our corrupt, man-made government. I wish I could abolish it, not expand its existing, overreaching powers. Some might consider that detrimental, as in those who would like to see gay marriage endorsed by the government. It isn't the government's place to endorse or oppose marriage. In fact, I will oppose any effort of the government to do so, either way. I don't think they should exist in the first place, so I will never endorse any of their 'laws' that to me have no moral authority. So don't worry, I won't push my beliefs into 'law,' as in corrupt, man-made statutes. God's laws are what I answer to. They already exist, so I won't do any pushing to have them changed either.

OCoug
Ogden, UT

I hope that this can help all of us take steps to reevaluate how we treat each other.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Despite this web site (and arguably because of it), the LDS Church continues to be on the wrong side of this debate, and this fact will continue to tarnish the Church's public image.

QuestionJustice
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

This is fantastic? Truly this is a move in the right direction, yet I find it odd that God and his church are always trailing the society that they live in. Doesn't God give his leaders on earth any forsight? This should have happened years ago.

One Human Family
Philadelphia, PA

The title of this article should say "Stay with us, we won't hit you again *wink*."

The truth is that the Mormon church has been abusing gay people for a very long time. You can pretty it up all your want, but it is still abuse (as an example look up electro shock therapy and BYU). This website changes absolutely nothing, so I wish people would stop gushing over it. Nothing has changed.

Gay people are still being forced to choose between love and religion. Love always wins in the end and the church will continue to lose amazing, remarkable people because of it. Your loss, not ours.

To any gay people reading this, run as fast and as far away from the church as you can. The grass is truly greener on the other side. There are many people, groups, religions that will love and accept you for who you are. Don't confuse Mormonism with God. They are not the same.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

The same old rhetoric that says nothing substantial in hundreds of words. It sounds like a desperate plea to keep gay members on their rolls. The traditional family is the only avenue for ultimate exaltation in the church and it has virtually nothing to offer to single heterosexuals like me or to homosexuals. Real compassion and acceptance is not expecting someone to remain celebate all of their life or opposing a legal committment by a loving same-sex couple.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@banderson
"Gays can not procreate with each other. It requires a female."

First off, lesbians exist. Secondly, adoption and in-vitro fertilization, and surrogate parenting exist (we even had a state rep who was a surrogate mother for a same-sex couple). Thirdly, gay people are gay, they aren't going to have opposite gender sex (unless they're bisexual rather than gay) so stopping gay marriage isn't going to get you more kids out of it.

@One Human Family
"This website changes absolutely nothing"

It seems more willing to acknowledge sexual orientation as a trait one is born with and is a bit more assertive about trying to not shun the individual, but it changes nothing with regards to what they expect from members who are attracted to people of the same-sex.

ESAABG is my FAM
SAINT ANTHONY, ID

I have a question, that I would like respectful answers to: if a gay couple is legally married (for instance, in Washington this past weekend, many couples were married), can they enjoy full membership in the Church? Heterosexual couples that are civilly married, but not in the temple, can be full members right?

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

Third try screen name: Openly gay or in the closet, as long as you are living the law of chastity I am sure you can be baptized.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints DOES NOT recognize any of the same-sex marriages performed across the world or the United States. The marriages do not meet the definition of marriage as defined by the laws of our Heavenly Father. This means that you can come to our meetings and all else. You would be welcomed but in the end the result is that you would need to meet the law of chasity that all members meet. Which is that unless you are lawfully wedded, as man and woman, you must obey the the law. If you doubt that then further research on the new website would explain that.

As someone has already stated, 'nothing has really changed." As in another thread it isn't for those who are already living the gay lifestyle and want to live the gay lifestyle. It is for those who want to live something else other than this lifestyle. Who understand there is more to life than accepting what the world has stated, "you have no choice, just be who you are and be happy." This site gives hope where the world says there is no hope.

killpack
Sandy, UT

@ESAABG is my FAM

This is from The Family: A Proclamation to the World, which is considered an official statement of the LDS Church: "We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife." I'm pretty sure that anyone known to be in violation of this statement has put his or her membership in jeopardy, regardless of what a man-made judicial body somewhere has determined to be legal. In response to your second question regarding heterosexual couples not married in the temple but civilly married, I would say this. They are NOT enjoying what LDS Church membership has to offer. IMO, the whole point of LDS membership is to marry in the temple. I'm not married, but if I didn't plan to someday marry in the temple, I would remain single. Getting baptized, going to church every Sunday, paying tithing, staying out of bars, etc., etc., just to be a good LDS isn't very appealing to me, let alone civil marriage with children. To me, the LDS Church is little else without temple marriage, relatively speaking.

Mint Julip
KAYSVILLE, UT

@Killpack,

What about the non-LDS couple who legally marries in their state and then adopts a couple kids. After 10 years of building a relationship and raising their children, they are met by Mormon Missionaries. They read the BOM and come to believe it is true. They want to be baptized into the church. How do you advise they proceed? Divorce? Split up the family? What?

@Bill,

I am troubled that you seem to think living a lie isn't a problem, but living honestly in a committed relationship is. How can a closeted homosexual be honest in all their dealings when they aren't even being honest with themselves?

John C. C.
Payson, UT

It is true that some with SSA cannot resist acting on that attraction--on their own. The same is true for those who fall prey to other forms of destructive behavior. Many cannot, on their own power, overcome their attraction to pornography, their hot tempers, or their practice of mentally abusing their family

But I also know that through the atonement of Jesus Christ, we who have such behavioral problems can be blessed by a power greater than our own. It is happening in my life and I know it can happen for anyone else who wants it. For details, look up the Addiction Recovery Program of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It has been adapted from Alcoholics Anonymous.

Ether 12:27 27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

Miracles happen.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To Mint Julip: That is what this site is all about to allow the closet individual that has same-sex attraction know that there is away that is better than trying to be someone he/she is not. It gives them hope to understand that what the world says is not always the way it is. This site will help those that have this attraction understand that even being honest with themselves and seeing those who have the attraction and how they have dealt with it. The Lord is not going to change his laws to accomodate man. Most religions try to bring the Lord to the people where The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints tries to bring individuals to the Lord. What you are suggesting is the world's way not the Lord's way.

As to your comments to Killpack. If this was to happen and they wanted baptism, they would be required to give up the lifestyle otherwise no baptism. If you look at the world's perspective then it is breaking up a family now. If you look at the eternal perspective, the family is already destroyed.

xert
Santa Monica, CA

Instead of the "love the sinner--hate the sin" mentality of many Mormon Church members (which is certainly the tone of this website, which I have researched btw) I prefer to adopt the "love the sinner and hate the sin inside of "myself." With that much to concentrate on, I'm sure I could learn to keep my nose out of other peoples lives and bedrooms.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@One Human Family

"The truth is that the Mormon church has been abusing gay people for a very long time. You can pretty it up all your want, but it is still abuse (as an example look up electro shock therapy and BYU)."
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BYU was not the inventor of shock therapy as a treatment for homosexuality, and there were many institutions that used it. BYU ceased use of shock therapy well before the American Psychological Association stopped recommending the practice.

@One Human Family
"Gay people are still being forced to choose between love and religion.

To any gay people reading this, run as fast and as far away from the church as you can. The grass is truly greener on the other side. ... Don't confuse Mormonism with God. They are not the same."
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I know several gay people - some married, some not, that are active, happy members of the LDS Church. I fully trust they know what they are doing and are happy in their choice to live their lives as Latter-Day Saints. Maybe not all will choose this. But these people I know are the first to defend the church and their choice to remain in it.

Ranch
Here, UT

Counter Intelligence says:
"... a much bigger problem are those who simply cannot tolerate non-compliance to gay dogma (Ranchhand)..."

You clearly don't understand what I've been saying all this time. It doesn't matter to me at all whether or not someone is gay and chooses to live a celibate life. What matters is that you've made that choice and it applies TO YOU. You seem to think it is okay for you, since you made that choice, to deny other gays the choice to marry because, well, celibacy is working for you - why not every gay, and well, "god says so".

Be celibate and alone, that's okay with me. Just stop trying to force other gays to live the life you've chosen for yourself. I'm not fighting to make you live "the gay lifestyle". I'm fighting to prevent you from making other gays live the life you've chosen for yourself and to make sure that gays know they're perfect just the way they are.

@Lane Myer;

Excellent comments. Thank you.

@ThirdTryScreenName;

Perhaps we don't want "fellowship with the (judgemental) saints".

Ranch
Here, UT

@TwinLights;

I respect your opinions. Thank you for sharing.

@VAggie;

Not angry, all I see though is more self-serving hoopla from "the church".

@Ophelia;

Peace.

@wrz;

All we're asking is to be able to "pick one".

@OnlyhtheCross;

Now there's a real "loving" response to Ophelia. Wow.

@Flashback;

Certain genes express at different times during development. Not all identical twins will both be gay, but they will both be gay more frequently than fraternal twins, an indicator that there is a genetic component.

@JonathanPDX;

If the church is true, why would God make some people gay and then ask them to deny themselves for their ENTIRE lives? An explanation would certainly be welcome.

@BillInNE;

Your churches recognition is not required, but thanks anyway.

BikeGuy87
FARMINGTON, UT

Being a person who has dealt with sexual sin myself, I can say that this is much needed. More for members of the church than anything. I let a sexual addiction get completely out of hand largely due to a fear of what people would think of me if I came out. When I finally did, I realized that there are A LOT of people who just do not understand what it is like to have everything inside you telling you one thing and then to be expected to do another.

I'm not gay but I have tendencies to act out in other sexual activities outside the boundaries of the commandments of God. I have had these tendencies ever since I can remember encountering sexual feelings and the tendencies are not wrong. Acting on them is.

I know that I cannot fully understand what same sex attraction would be like but I feel that my situation is about as close as one can get. The experiences I have encountered with this have only strengthened my conviction that we are here to bear one another's burdens. I sincerely hope this website will help move church members in this direction.

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