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Published: Thursday, Dec. 6 2012 9:15 a.m. MST

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bandersen
Saint George, UT

ATL, NH, Vt, Me are very well just like Denmark. Low crime, but hardly one to emulate, unless, of course, you like the idea of a people eventually becoming extinct.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

From the website itself: "The Church’s approach to this issue stands apart from society in many ways. And that’s alright. Reasonable people can and do differ. From a public relations perspective it would be easier for the Church to simply accept homosexual behavior. That we cannot do, for God’s law is not ours to change. There is no change in the Church’s position of what is morally right. But what is changing — and what needs to change — is to help Church members respond sensitively and thoughtfully when they encounter same-sex attraction in their own families, among other Church members, or elsewhere."

Hopefully, this clears up some of the so called misunderstanding. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not changing doctrine nor is it making it acceptable to do acts the Lord's finds immoral. Just as heterolsexuals must obey the law of chasity, so do those who have same-sex attraction. Nothing has changed in that regards.

UtahDemocrat
Salt Lake City, UT

@BelchingCow

Looking at some of the comments about the "radical gays," it appears that some fear we are far scarier than an angry straight man.

As for what spiritual abuse is, spiritual abuse is the maltreatment of a person in the name of a god, deity, faith, cult-religion, or church.

Regarding your comment on modern day prophets offering guidance, this website is more a product of modern day media than revelation. Believers and nonbelievers alike agree that there's no new doctrine in this webpage. When the heavens open up and give some new revelation to the church on the matter, I'll encourage those with questions to listen to what your modern day prophets have to say.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . one day their marriages will be performed in the temple."

"Their" marriages have been performed in temples since there were temples.

Husbands to wives, and wives to husbands. And the vast majority are very happy and productive marriages, because "they" live the life God wants them to live.

"They" are us. Good people with temptations to sin -- like all of us -- but who choose to live elevated, rather than debased lives.

But if you're betting same-sex marriages will someday be solemnized in the Lord's house, I'll take as much of that action as you'll give.

And, lest anyone chastise me for gambling -- a wager that Church-sponsored temple marriage will always be between members of opposite sexes is a sure thing. There's not the slightest risk involved.

VAggie
Bristow, United States

I support same sex marriage, but I wish more people who agreed with my view were more tolerant. The mormon church is trying to help it's members be more tolerant, and somehow people are angry about it? It's counter productive to change, if we want change, then we need to re-brand as showing people that those who are gays and lesbians are actual people who happen to be attracted to something different. Trying to be an angry radical activist will only hurt the cause. The anger over this seems similar to how this summer the debate was brought down to chicken vs. the Muppets.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I'm not LDS but I have had a lot of Mormon kids in my classes including Gays who are have great difficulty with their situation. I'm glad to see the Church reaching out in a constructive way. It will save lives. Count on it.

Spark44
MIDVALE, UT

If you would welcome LGBT people in your sacrament meeting, please join my Facebook event. You don't actually have to do anything. Joining just shows that you support their attendance at church. Look for the EVENT--Sit With Me Sunday.

Miss Piggie
Ogden, UT

"I think that's what God is saying: stay with me."

What God aughta be saying is 'what causes it,' and 'how to fix it.'

This is critical due to church philosophy re life after death... that the best of which is only available to the married.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

I thought for sure I remembered a General Authority say that faithful gays will wake up on resurrection morning with "normal attraction" for the opposite sex.

Or was I imagining that?

Anyone remember Hafen's remarks on this subject?

Alfred
Ogden, UT

@Ernest T. Bass:
"It's not a choice. Just like people are born left handed..."

I grew up writing left-handed and trained myself later in life to do it right-handed. Not an easy task but doable. Much of life is not easy but doable.

"...it's not understood why a small minority are born left handed, they didn't choose it, being left hand dominant just feels right..."

Because the mom didn't pay attention to the child's left/right hand activities in the formative years. Could be related to the placement of eating utensils at meal times or perhaps even to breastfeeding on one side or the other.

"...they are born that way."

No proof of that.

"Treat them with the respect they deserve."

Agreed.

Wyominguy
Buffalo, WY

Personally Im proud of the Church leaders making the effort to improve understanding among the membership. I do not see this as a political move reflecting our changing society, rather I believe its a Christ like move to understanding and acceptance. Im convinced our Church leaders were inspired to open this dialog.

rickdoctor
Chandler, AZ

The actions of sexual immorality have always been sin, whether heterosexual or homosexual. A couple who live together, cohabitating with sexual conduct, cannot be baptized -- matters not whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. More than 51% of households are not married in America, basically committing sexual sin. We seem to have gotten pretty used to it by now. Over 70% of high school seniors have been sexually active. We seem to be very tolerant of all kinds of sexual immorality. Even Church discipline has become more tolerant of sexual sin, except for a certain few categories. We should be more courageous in denouncing this behavior -- last I checked, sexual sin was #3 on the list of most abominable sins to the Lord, and very few even venture to #2 and #1. Being 'gay' is not biologically, physiologically, psychologically 'natural' - we just ain't wired or constructed that way. But it is powerfully 'real' to each one who feels that attraction. Feelings beget behavior begets feelings. We need to do a lot of research, without judgment. Love is the key to all relationships in this human existence.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

To those who think SSA is a choice--why would someone purposely choose something that would put them on the outs with so many parts of society, and withdraw them from participation in so much of its benefits? Really, would you, my well-meaning friends? I doubt it, not too likely. And please, please, some of you--and you know who you are--take it out of the political and geographical. You don't appreciate it if others bash you for things not related to where you live or your political stance, and neither do the rest of us. Thank you for your consideration.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

I'm bringing something I read in a different source: The Bible is a book about God is not a book about Science. Therfore, you will find well intentioned men with no knowledge of Science stating a lot of errors in that field. The Bible is not a book about sex. Therefore, you cannot pretend that the Bible teach you about sex.

Romans 1:24 - 27 Perhaps the most insidious passage in the Bible about homosexuality.

As I said before, the Bible is a book about God. Here Paul is talking about people who abandoned God to worship idols (goddesses Diana, Aphrodite and other fertility gods)some of their rituals were to castrate themselves, or have a variety of sexual manifestations.
Heterosexual men and women abandoned their "natural" desires to worship idols.

Look at the verses and you will find words such as abandoned, exchanged.

LGBT people have not abandoned God. They have not exchanged heterosexuality for homosexuality. They were never heterosexuals in the first place to abandon it or exchange it.

LGBT people are normal people. They love God and God loves them. God loves them so much that He has made many, many gays.It's a beautiful world

Jeff
Temple City, CA

@ dwaynerichards: Are you writing in euphemism when you equate ""intimacy or companionship" with sex, or do you really believe that the Church denies intimacy and companionship to everyone who isn't heterosexual and married?

I believe that it's possible to have both intimacy and companionship without sexuality, and you are simply wrong that the Church denies that to anyone.

If by "gay" you mean someone who is sexually attracted exclusively to someone of the same sex, then the Church's position is simply that a "gay" person--the same as a heterosexual person--should not have sexual relations outside marriage. You may disagree on whether or not the Church should oppose same-gender marriage, but there is nothing in Church doctrine or practice to suggest that non-sexual intimacy or companionship is denied to anyone.

@ kargirl: A rhetorical question is useful, but it doesn't sustain an argument. There may be a number of reasons why someone chooses a lifestyle that "puts them on the outs."

I'm not sure what you mean by the "political and geographical." I live in California, so we share both politics and geography. I hope that gives me permission to disagree with you.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Andersen
you wrote;
"ATL, NH, Vt, Me are very well just like Denmark. Low crime, but hardly one to emulate, unless, of course, you like the idea of a people eventually becoming extinct".

This is an honest question. How do you reach that conclusion? If LGBT are allowed the same rights that you (I assume) have as heterosexual. How do you make the connection to extinction?
Heterosexuals will stop having sex? Are you insinuating that heterosexuals secretly want to be gay but don't want to break the law or the mores of our society? There is something missing in your thinking process about this issue.

If homosexuality is not your cup of tea just don't drink from that cup.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

Alfred--I feel like sayin, Just like a man. But I won't. I'm a left-handed Mom, 3 left-handed kids out of 4. I put their utensils and cups in the center, to let them all choose, since I had been the only leftie out of five children and two rightie parents. The only one who became right-handed was the youngest, and she was also the only one who had trouble deciding. Now, tell me, why are most of my children left-handed? They were born that way! I would not blame me--oh, their dad was right-handed, too. Yes, there are lefties on both sides of the family. Of course, it is possible to do things with the non-dominant hand, we do that all the time. Oh, btw, I learned from the surgeon when I had a brain angiogram that lefties are not always right-brain-dominant. Something else to put in your knowledge bank. Now next time you think someone wasn't "born that way" check it out first, please.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Alfred, Please read this: "August 1, 2007 National Geographic News
The gene most closely linked to left-handedness has been found, experts announced this week.

The gene, called LRRTM1, is also associated with a slight increase in developing certain mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. "

You actually are born that way.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

Jeff, I simply asked the rhetorical question as a means to suggest that choosing the gay lifestyle, which is the one under discussion, would not be likely to be something someone might do, for reasons stated. I don't know what your politics are, but I don't mind disagreeing on an adult level...I'm used to being a minority! I prefer to do it with folks who want to share viewpoints, though, as in, sharing both directions. (Virtual)handshakes included.

Ophelia
Bountiful, UT

As the LDS mother of a gay son -- who is in a committed relationship with a wonderful man -- I find all of this more discouraging than encouraging. The change seems to be "love the sinners," instead of "you are justified in despising the sinners." It still makes me sad...and mad...that my awesome, loving son is considered a sinner.

After years of praying and fasting away the gay, sending my son to reparative therapy for two years at the behest of priesthood leaders -- and then realizing the therapy is psychological malpractice -- plus hearing ward, stake, and general ecclesiastic leaders berate LGBT individuals, it's hard for me to see this as anything more than beautifully sugar-coated prejudice. I'm sorry this sounds so bitter. I guess it's because I am.

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