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Published: Thursday, Dec. 6 2012 9:15 a.m. MST

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Virgil
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

It's quite amazing. The church says the same thing it's been saying for years, and yet people who previously desperately wanted to be offended are suddenly very happy. Strange indeed.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

I'm the manliest man in the room, and I still agree with this.
But. I think we need greater understanding of several items in the church, and beyond.

byufan1993
Provo, , UT

Oh how I love this gospel and this church. I have a few friends that struggle with same-sex attraction and I hope that this website can be a source of light for them.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

This is fantastic. I believe there is great confusion in the Church over how to love those that may be different from us. I really hope this helps to clarify and improve attitudes.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Hopefully by reaching out the church will create an atmosphere that will make repentance of homo-sexual behavior a clear and viable option, rather than an individual thinking there is no hope.

Arroba
Brigham City, UT

Hoooorrraaayyyy!!

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

It is so easy to sit and pontificate on the weaknesses and sins of others. How many people who have loads of counsel to share with the LGBT population are guilty of oggling at women (or men) or watching soft porn on television or in movies? Let the hetero-sexual population make their own houses chaste, before they try remodeling their neighbors'.

TallGuy1970
Syracuse, UT

I think the greatest purpose of this website is to educate and soften the hearts of LDS members who may not have personal experience with same gender attraction.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, hold the phone. I think the Church not only needs to explain its current position - it also, but won't or can't explain its past positions.

SS
MiddleofNowhere, Utah

This is great. However, no matter what good the church does there will still be those like "marxist" and "Midwest Mom" who won't give credit where credit is due. There will always be something to accuse and attack for them.

@Midwest Mom, no one is saying that other people don't sin, that's not the point of this website. Accusations and playing the blame game is simply a way for someone to justify their own actions. Church leaders have ALWAYS spoken out against the very things you have mentioned.

Born that Way
Layton, UT

This is desperately needed in our current time. The culture is defining this issue with a megaphone right now. Many of the definitions are flawed and perverse.

Church members often want to counter those cultural definitions, seeing only extremities. But due to a lack of understanding, many members throw everyone that has even the slightest inclination into category as the extremes, essentially "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".

Make no mistake: Many of our popculture versions of this attraction are dead wrong.

The concept that one has no choices because of certain inborn inclinations. It lies about the lifestyle required of such, pressing the idea that the only path of happiness for "those people" comes by playing this role. The world's way is lazy and discriminatory against gays.

The Lord's way says all deserve compassion, patience and understanding. We need to be understood, and those who do experience SSA need to know they are not loathesome--they can love themselves and feel loved by their fellow saints.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Same sex attraction is something I don't understand but the old explanations I learned in church won't do anymore. To explain it away as evil, perversion, or satanic can't explain the attraction. There is greater honesty and integrity in a same sex couple openly acknowledging their feelings and desires to formally make their relationship a domestic one than there is in a heterosexual married man who sneaks around to cheat on his wife.

Let's hope this website is a step in the right direction for the church.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

It's not a choice. Just like people are born left handed (it's not understood why a small minority are born left handed, they didn't choose it, being left hand dominant just feels right), they are born that way. Treat them with the respect they deserve.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

The gay movement is divided into two group - the normal gays and the radical militant gays. The normal gay crowd - those that obviously have same gender attraction but at least understand that there is a moral component to having these feelings will stay with the Church. Elder Holland made it clear a few years ago that a gay person is not denied any blessings in the Church including temple blessings and can hold any calling so long as they keep the moral code of the Church. The radical militant San Francisco gay crowd (for the most part) will never accommodate anything regarding morality because they don't believe in morality....meaning they have the secular Godless view of the world that there are no such things as moral commandments. I am guessing the vast majority of gays probably migrate closer to the left wing secular crowd.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Ernest T. Bass

You are partly right and partly wrong. It's not a choice for some gays. They have developed same gender attraction for what ever reasons no fault of their own. This however does NOT assume they are born with same gender attraction. There is ZERO scientific evidence that children are born with homosexuality so you are wrong to assume that Ernest. There is also other gays that have indeed CHOSEN to be gay and to experiment with homosexuality. I have a friend who sadly fits this crowd.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Ernest T. Bass" where is the proof. I have never heard of a study that states that being gay is an inborn trait. Last I know, the APA had no idea.

To "Craig Clark" explain why a person can be addicted to food, or pornography. If you read the LDS church literature, same sex attraction is not a sin. The sin is acting on those urges.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Whoa, SS. My criticism is not towards the Church, which I love. I struggle with the small minds of many who live in "the bubble" and who frequently bless those of us in "the mission field" with their superior enlightenment and knowledge.

God loves us all. Only when this world is over will we see with new eyes and understand the things that were incomprehensible before. Unfortunately, in the meantime, those who have the truth, frequently err in thinking that they know all truth and are the truth. Some forget that the very ancestors whose coattails they hang onto were also once converts and that we all must be converted, in one way or another. That process is frequently messy and fraught with error. There is more than one way to be a pioneer. I've looked at it and the website is wonderful.

non believer
PARK CITY, UT

So it is ok to have the desires, but as soon as you act on them, you are out? So anyone Gay, Lesbian or Transgender have to be celebate to be a member of the church? I do not see how this really improves anything?

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

I have a few questions. Beyond the attitude adjustment the church is calling for, what is the position regarding those who cannot or will not refrain from same-sex behaviors? Is is acceptable to date someone of the same sex as long as you don't go too far? Does the church find it acceptable to live together and remain celibate?
We know the militant gays will not accept any sort of therapy to change people back. How does the church feel about that?
Can people who are openly gay and in a relationship be baptized? Or must they forsake the sin first?
Still, so many questions.

RAB
Bountiful, UT

I likewise applause the Church for this effort. I hope the fault-finders against the church can likewise learn to keep the past where it belongs. The world, including members of the church, gains better understanding of the plight and struggles of those who experience same-sex attraction with every passing day. It is disingenuous to continually condemn the church for unrealized insensitivities uttered in the past.

It does not matter if same-sex attraction is a choice, genetic, or some mixture of both. What matters is that they are human beings, just as deserving of our love, respect, and nonjudgmental mercy as any other of us universally imperfect and sinful human beings. Many of them carry a heavy internal moral burden that makes them all the more needful and deserving of our mercy and understanding. At this time of year, we celebrate Christ, who among other reasons, came into the world not to condemn the world. Anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ therefore must likewise avoid condemning others for their personal behavior. Rather, we should be seeking to lighten their burdens and we should be empathiinge with their mental and spiritual turmoil and social struggles.

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