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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2012 7:55 p.m. MST

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Kearns, UT

Why don't we just bury our heads in the sand and open the southern border. That is in effect what the Utah Compact does.

Shurtleff needs a personality change. His saying that the term "anchor babys" is offensive to the children of God who comprise illegal aliens is a crock of crap. That is exactly what they are. Note the recent stories of Chinese women coming here to have their babies. Shouldn't be allowed to happen and those babies shouldn't be citizens. I'd be in favor of a partial change of the first line of the 14th Amendment. Change it to "All persons born in the U.S. are citizens if, their parents are legal immigrants, or are not on a Tourist or Student Visa."

It does seem that the 12th Article of Faith is being ignored.

Why doesn't the Federal Government just enforce the last law passed during Reagan's time in office. That was the last significant immigration law that was passed. Nothing has changed since then except the numbers.

Bill Tibbitts
Salt Lake City, UT

The Utah Compact was a great statement of principles and the people who drafted it deserve credit for improving the quality of the discussion about immigration in Utah.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Space here doesn't allow me to go into a whole lot of details concerning the Utah Compact and the state legislation that followed.

In short, "anti-liar" has gotten everything he said right.

There was a MASSIVE amount of lobbying that went on behind the scenes with the legislature 2 yrs. ago that resulted in the (worthless) legislation passed. I think those who passed it understand its' worthlessness.

Advocates for illegal alien trespassers want NEITHER amnesty nor, obviously, enforcement. They are more than happy with the status quo.
IF amnesty occurred (which I'm not endorsing BTW)the unethical/illegal employers would be forced to begin withholding taxes and paying at least a minimum wage.

Why would they want that? Better for them to pay 4-5$ per hr. and since that obviously isn't a living wage, the REST of us get to pay the real costs to support a family.

Its too bad one of the local papers doesn't do an in-depth story on what happened vis-a-vis the "Utah Compact" and the resulting state legislation.

Sadly BOTH local daily papers are advocates for illegal alien trespassers, so it will never happen.

Summer
Salt Lake City, UT

@LDS Liberal
"I see so many LDS members - "Hie on the Road to Apostacy".
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Your comments are noted, we should consider Christ-like love in this. However, those opposing the compact have real concerns also. Simplistic answers fall short.

I have lived on the west side of SLC for over 40 years. I have seen the neighborhood steadily decline in quality and crime steadily increase. I cannot separate these trends from the increased influx of illegal immigrants.

I have seen US workers laid off while being replaced by foreign workers on visas. I have seen wage depression thus driving US workers into poverty. This often leads to break ups of the family, abuse, etc (never underestimate what negative things poverty can do to a family.)Much is due to illegal and even legal immigration that is used as a cheap-labor source.

Most people wish to be more accommodating to immigrants, but the lower middle class pays the price by losing employment, their neighborhood, etc, while the wealthy benefit. No wonder so many oppose this.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Summer
SaltLakeCity, UT
@LDSLiberal

I have lived on the west side of SLC for over 40 years. I have seen the neighborhood steadily decline in quality and crime steadily increase. I cannot separate these trends from the increased influx of illegal immigrants.

I have seen US workers laid off while being replaced by foreign workers on visas. I have seen wage depression thus driving US workers into poverty.

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I grew up in Bountiful.
I visited my old neighborhood recently.
It's still 99.99% White-Anglo-Saxon-Mormon.

It's run down now and the crime rates have gone up too,
so I cannot associate these trends directlty to the increased influx of illegal immigrants as you claim.
How do you explain the exact same thing happening in Bountiful WITHOUT illegal immigration?

If you don't like Companies hiring illegal or foreign workers -- blame the businesses that HIRE them.

We didn't have this problem when we had UNIONS.
Unions wouldn't ever allow this to happen in the 1st place.

So, We have 2 solutions --
Punsih companies who hire them,
or
play EastGermany communists and build concrete walls, fences and machinegun nests.

FYI - (Socialist) Canada doesn't have this problem. WonderWhy?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Anti-Liar,

You think MY position is pure conjecture?

I agree that the Public Affairs Department has no specific priesthood authority but are those folks just running their own show independent of any priesthood review? They have access to all of the media outlets and appear to them (and hence the world) to represent the Church but they are purely working on their own? There is no oversight by the First Presidency or Quorum of the 12? I would find that beyond shocking.

BTW, the US does not have “generous” immigration laws. We haven’t for a long time. And it depends a lot on which country you are from and how many of your countrymen are here already. Also, it is expensive. I knew a young man from Canada with a current job in the US. He wanted to marry a US citizen and become a citizen himself. He reports that the cost would have been about $10,000.

And yes, we are all each other’s neighbors. Period. Full stop.

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

Don't worry Obama is working on the illegal immigration problem. By the time 2016 rolls around there will be no reason for illegals to come to the USA, they'll be better off in Mexico.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

you can color amnesty with a lot of different crayons.

Kim
Cedar Park, Texas

Nice try anti-liar, but you are wayyyy off base if you think that the statement of the first presidency issued by the public affairs department does not represent the official position of the church.

Summer
Salt Lake City, UT

@LDS Liberal
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"I grew up in Bountiful.
I visited my old neighborhood recently.
It's still 99.99% White-Anglo-Saxon-Mormon."

I wouldn't call Bountiful "run down" like you did. Apparently you don't know what run-down means. I would love if the west-side of Salt Lake was like Bountiful. There is no comparing Glendale/Rose Park and Bountiful.

"If you don't like Companies hiring illegal or foreign workers -- blame the businesses that HIRE them."

They have been "blamed". It does nothing to stop them. Enforcement of existing laws is needed.

"Unions wouldn't ever allow this to happen in the 1st place."

Unions are pro-illegal immigration. They are part of the problem.

"play EastGermany communists and build concrete walls, fences and machinegun nests."

Given that some of those crossing our border are hard criminals with horrible intentions, we have no other choice.

"FYI - (Socialist) Canada doesn't have this problem. WonderWhy?"

Canada doesn't border a 3rd world nation.

RRB
SLC, UT

@lds Liberal.

The Church position has always been for people to obey the law. There is nothing wrong with demanding that people follow the laws, or suffer the consequences. Quoting scripture is not an apostacy. Nice try at attacking the person instead of the issue.

The Compact was written in secrecy as a tool for promoting illegal immigration for cheap surplus labor. It is one of the most deceptive instruments of the pro-illegal groups rhetoric.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

A statement or piece of work is to be valued based on its content, not the number of people who have been hoodwinked into thinking it's some kind of declaration of compassion. I don't really care who allowed their name to be used on this thing--the obvious fact is that it is designed as a collaboration between two factions: (1) the bleeding hearts, who think the whole planet can live off of the American worker and taxpayer and it's high time we just shut up and anted up, and (2) the cheap-labor lobby, who have worked hard to fool lawmakers and many others into believing that their motives are pure and altruistic. If I endorsed anything like this, I'd be very reluctant to actually admit it. It doesn't take a mental giant to figure out that this is an effort to circumvent both common sense and also the sanity and solvency of our society.

hermounts
Pleasanton, CA

Before we start "reforming" immigration laws, we have to start enforcing them!

prelax
Murray, UT

Our immigration is not broken, it's not being enforced. The 1986 and 1996 reform laws have never been enforced. There is no reason to try another reform, until we enforce the first two.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

You all against the Compact think the statement on the LDS Church's website concerning such a large issue was somehow ignored, kept from or otherwise bypassed LDS Church Leaders? Stop with all the semantics because this didn't get posted without President Monson looking at it. Look it up, it is on the LDS Church website and Bishop Burton was charged with encouraging others on behalf of the Church to take it seriously.

Yet none of you Republicans have a problem with one of your own being a (in your terminology) "Anchor Baby" and Mia Love even ran for that House of Rep. seat. Seems to be ok when someone who agrees with your politics does it.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

""Belching Cow Sandy, UT
Don't worry Obama is working on the illegal immigration problem. By the time 2016 rolls around there will be no reason for illegals to come to the USA, they'll be better off in Mexico."""

Sorry "Belching Cow" but Corporate PROFITS are AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. Look it up if you dare come out of your bubble.

President Obama has deported more people in 4 years than GW Bush did in 8. All the while being handcuffed by complaining Republicans complaining about the budget.

The Compact calls for compassion and reason, that is why the LDS Church is on board with it and that is why I support it also. It is interesting to me to watch the same people who criticize fellow LDS Church Members for not fully supporting LDS Church leaders on other issues are now the ones on the other side of the fence.

Bob Pomeroy
Bisbee, AZ

so many disappointing narrow minds.

prelax
Murray, UT

@JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt

"The statistics are actually a little deceptive," Obama said last month during a discussion with Hispanic journalists. There has been "a much greater emphasis on criminals than non-criminals." And "with stronger border enforcement, we've been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours." Marketing tactics, remove those turned back at the border and you have less than Bush returned. Those returned at the border before Obama were counted in a different catagory.

At the same time, Obama is letting in more people than ever before. In 2011 we let in 3.3 million visa workers. With over 1 million green cards every year, and 23 million legal Americans looking for work, our laws are beyond generous.

The compact is a diversion to keep us from talking about the issues. If the people behind it really cared, they would be trying to keep people from coming here illegally, and making matters worse. They lack compassion, and would do anything to get more cheap labor.

narrow minds? attack the person, ignore the issues.

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

@JJJHS
"Sorry "Belching Cow" but Corporate PROFITS are AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. Look it up if you dare come out of your bubble."

Sorry but you seem to be the one in a bubble. But don't worry, your bubble is fixing to get burst. The economy is in terrible shape. More and more people I know are getting laid off. The company I work for has froze salaries and done away with bonuses while cost of living continues to increase. This year is the first year in my companies 20 year history that it has lost money. My house has lost $60,000 in value over the last four years. I have quite a few friends that are small business owners and Obama's policies have hurt every one of them. And just wait till Obamacare kicks in, what a nightmare that will be.

VST
Bountiful, UT

With regards to those who question the support of the LDS Church (and its leaders) for the Utah Compact, I offer the following:

"As a worldwide church dealing with many complex issues across the globe, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints promotes broad, foundational principles that have worldwide application. The church regards the declaration of the Utah Compact as a responsible approach to the urgent challenge of immigration reform. It is consistent with important principles for which we stand…"
[Source: "LDS Church Immigration Stance," Deseret News, 11 November 2010]

As for acceptance of the Compact by Utah residents, a KSL flash poll was conducted back in that same time-frame (November 2010), by Dan Jones & Associates. It showed that 64 percent of Utahns agreed with the premise of the Utah Compact.

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