If he plays he will not serve his mission. He will get drafted. unfortunate that
he sold out for money and fame. He will regret it.
My guess is if he chooses any school but byu and says no to a mission, most Ute
fans(aka byu haters) will applaud him for doing the right thing for his
career.If he chooses byu and still doesn't go on a mission, the
same Ute fans will call him a hypocrit for being a mormon but not doing the
Interesting that inthebooth knows so well what is in Jabari's mind and
heart. Pretty black-and-white bold statement: "He will regret it." What
if he doesn't regret it? Also, I'm not sure he sold out for money and
fame. Fame he already has, and the money is there for him at any time, since the
only thing he needs to do is play a year of college ball to sign a first-round
draftee contract in the NBA worth millions - that whether he goes on a mission
or not. I think that New Testament statement about judging has real
merit and application for us all.
@Sports Are GreatI was going to ask you if you'd like a bigger
brush to paint with, then I realized the one you've already got is big
enough.This Ute fan will not call Jabari Parker anything no matter
where he goes or what he does, because I'm not his judge.
You had to know that someone like 'inthebooth' would chime in and
pretend to care what this good young man does.Not that I'm convinced
that 'itb' is even LDS.If only any one of us were in the
position that this young man is in.I suspect he feels alot of pressure no
matter what direction he goes.I for one hope he just enjoys being a 17
year old kid playing high school bball.
"I am not his judge," eh, Sir Robin:"Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CAPresident Hinckley's counsel did not make
exceptions for promising young athletes, singers, actors, or other celebrities.
Nor did it make an exception for those who think (or are told) that they will do
more missionary work by furthering their careers than going on a mission, like a
lot of local leaders were doing 30 years ago.This isn't 1981
any more...everyone needs to get with the times."But
nobody's judging, right?
Cut him a little slack to decide his future. Not every young man is a good fit
at age 18 (or even 19). And then look in the mirror before deciding what
someone else did regarding missionary service was wrong if they go out at a
later time. I know missionaries who left at about age 25 and they are very good
missionaries. It's their decisiion and agency to decide when to serve.
ITB you why I enjoy living in the south and not UT. Jabari just listen to your
heart. You will do well whatever you decide. Is it too late to get a game with
against Lone Peak and Simeon?
This has to be why his parents have been very protective of him. He's got
so much pressure on him from being an elite Basketball player. Add to that the
pressure of millions of Mormons and their expectations and that's a heavy
load for a 17 year old. BTW, I don't recall anything in the
guideline saying that a male must leave when they are 18. For those who have
already made plans, as it appears Jabari has done, I don't see a need to
change them. If he goes of doesn't it's up to him. If he
doesn't then the "righteous" need to keep it zipped. It would be
good to remember that the LDS Church was once led by a man who decided to chase
a music career instead of a mission.
Weak Lady Robin,You just got rocked by PG Viking Dad. I stand by my
claim. If the kid chooses BYU and doesn't go on a mission, he'll be
criticized by Utes both Mormon and non-Mormon. If he goes elsewhere and
doesn't do the mission, the same people will be congratulating the guy.
Lady Robin - You've already proven to be a flip flopper.
Sports Are Great,Question? Did Jimmer, and Steve Young go on
Jabari Parker is a good young man whether he serves a mission or not. If he
chooses to not serve a mission he probably should not play at BYU as so many
members of my church cannot fully respect an individual's choice if it
doesn't match how they believe he should behave. Yes, church leaders have
stated that all worthy young men are obligated to serve a mission but that
doesn't change the fact that some choose not to. The same church leaders
also teach that we should love one another even when others choose differently
than we do. I personally hope that Jabari prayerfully considers his choices and
then does what he is prompted to do and what is in his heart. He deserves our
acceptance whatever he decides.
Although I agree with the Prophets who have said every able young man should
serve a mission, I also agree with the Savior when he said judge not that ye be
not judged. Do I think Jabari would make a great missionary and do I think it
would be a great experience for him? Yes, of course I do. But at the same time,
I will not judge him not blame him if he chooses to not serve a mission. How
many of you who are judging him can honestly say that you would serve a mission
if you were in his shoes? I know I can't.
@ PGVikingDad,Christ didn't make any exceptions either when he
commanded us not to judge others with unrighteous judgement. No one has the
right to pass judgement on anyone for not going on a mission, you have no idea
what is going on in their lives. None.
Sports are great,And I suspect that if he chooses provo, then
I'm LDS, went on a mission and it was great for me. But I would not pretend
to know anything about what Jabari is going through or to receive any revelation
or guidance for him.I saw an interviews and read some articles on
Jabari and he is a far better person at his age than I was! I think that is as
far as anyone should go on judging him, just far enough to be impressed by him
as a person.He seems like a great person and will make the best
decisions he can which should be enough!
It is between him and God.
@JohnJacobJingle.....I totally agree. It is between him and
God!!!Mission or no mission he would be loved at BYU and later
respected in the church as have Jimmer,Young,Ainge and many other outstanding
members who did not serve missions (with white shirts and ties that is).
This article was on the sports page a few days ago with all the comments.
Welcome to conference a brief introduction President Monson first thing talks
about going on missions. For him to say that that frequently that early means
it is pretty important. As for Freddettte, Young and Ainge they missed out on
great experiences by not going. An individual that joined the church at 19
served in several leadership positions but did not go on mission got married
said A mission would of helped him in those callings.Many athletes
did go on missions and did ok on there return, Sid Going, John Beck, Devan
Durrant. Could the people that mentioned did not go had better experiences
going on missions? Who joined the church because they skipped there missions?
We are not to make unrighteous judgements. Many active people may not go on
mission does not mean they are bad people. Not in limelight. Just miss an
oppurtunity to follow the counsel of the prophets. DAvid Archuleta is now on a
mission. AS far as I know It is up to an individual to decide if he weill go.
However I don't think the Lord himself continued
I don't think the Lord himself would tell the prophet one thing and tell an
individual to do something diffrent. Since the Lord does not tell someone
individualy what he has revealed collectively and is no respector of persons.
Mission playing ball, Is someone free to donate ten percent of there income to
charity, Feel religious with creations and not church, Or modify any other
commandment for what they think is greater good. Playing in front of thousands
though takes work to get there is nothing like sacrficing for your brothers and
sisters were the Lord calls you.OF course I would not say someone
not going is bad, But there are greater blessings for those that choose to
serve how the Lord wants them too. How will a mission damage them or the
church? A few people will point to missionaries that are not to be out there.
True there always will be bad apples. But do the few bad apples excuse others
from going with fame and talent? I would think it would be great if all great
athleted went on missions myself for there and there brothers and sisters
Guam Bomb There was no decree to go on mission in Hunters day, Robert D Hales
wrote book and same thing. War and depression hindered. A modern prophet said
to go and only leaders can excuse you.
Parker is doing the right thing - with his talent I am guessing he will end up
at Duke or North Carolina. The ONLY trouble is I doubt either school is going to
be too keen on him leaving after one season. My guess is he will follow Danny
Ainge and play instead of serve a mission. A mission is great but so is playing
at the highest level of basketball. We all are blessing with different talents.
re:intheboothDanny Ainge didn't serve either. He played for 12
years in the NBA and won a world championship! He later served as an LDS Bishop.
There are many ways to serve.
remember a mission is an opportunity to serve - not a commandment! I loved my
mission but there are some exceptional athletes like Danny Ainge and Steve Young
that are blessed with God given talent and I don't think throwing that away
is something you automatically do. Only the Savior can judge each of us and he
isn't impressed with titles or check lists of what we did. Without Charity
you are nothing (Moroni 7) and my guess is that will weigh far more than
accomplishments - missions or basketball. Yes every young man should serve a
mission - should serve and not must serve. There are sometimes circumstances
that may change those plans.
Sports and religion don't mix any better than religion and politics. I wish
some of you would read your comments once posted from the perspective of a
person sitting outside your little bubble. How would Jabari feel if he read
this? What would someone from ESPN think? I'm not saying
you're not free to think as you wish or may not have good intentions, just
realize this blog is viewable worldwide. How we practice our beliefs is more
important than whether we are orthodox.
He never said he wasn't going on a mission. He said not at 18. My only
brother-in-law never served a mission. He has served as a Bishop, Stake High
Council, and principal of a major High School in Utah. He has a son that served
and a grandchildren that have. I have heard a General Authority admit that
they often speak in generalities and that there can be exceptions. I wish him
nothing but the best whatever he decision he makes.
@ eastcoastcoug 5:47 a.m. Dec. 5, 2012I completely agree. As someone
from within the Zion curtain but not part of the *true believers*, I avoided
weighing in... until now. That being said, ed in atl 5:27 p.m. Dec.
4, 2012 is 100% right.
Here's food for thought for all the judges on here:A mission is
not a saving ordinance. It's not like temple marriage, word of wisdom,
tithing, etc. The guy can still go to the Celestial Kingdom without serving a
mission. Now, whether or not you can accept the fact that the kid can make it
to the same place as you hypocrites is a matter of your choice, but that's
a fact. Let the kid do what he thinks is best for him, his future, and
his life. God will take care of it--not you people.
I like it when people get after others for judging and then they call them
things like "hypocrites." Doesn't make much sense.There are
no "generalities" re: mission service. Of course there are good people
who don't serve missions, but the prophet has made it clear that all worthy
men should serve.If he doesn't i'll still support him and wish
him well, but I believe that he will be blessed if he does and when he has his
own children, and grandchildren, he'll be happy if he served.
I have always considered serving a 2yr mission as a "tithing on my time"
10% of my first 20 yrs. But that's just me. It's interesting how
easily one physical injury can sideline an athlete for a whole season (depending
on when it occurs). It's also interesting how one spiritual injury can also
subject a person to a long time of healing. Jabari will make his own
decision and will hopefully stick to his commitments - whatever they may be. He
seems to be a well principled young man with a testimony of Christ. He'll
make his own decision according to how he is led by the spirit.
Pretty simple really, it's completely up to Jabari.
How is this young man's business anyone's concern but his?I always love seeing the great number of responses to important issues of the
day, like sports. Write an article about trivial stuff like education and
scarcely anyone notices.It's kind of like the way everyone
talks about the "reason for the season," yet spend the greatest majority
of their Christmas time and treasure on stuff.
It is pretty simple. Either you follow your Prophet or you don't. Jabari
Parker is, at this stage of his life, NOT choosing to follow his Prophet. He may
change his mind (repent) later and go on a mission when he is 19, but unless he
injures himself again, I highly doubt he will. Professional athletes have such a
short productive life span. He is at his prime and developmental peak. Wasting
two years of that prime time would not only be foolish because it would
effectively cost him millions of dollars, it may also risk his career entirely.
higv; I wish you could write properly in English.Wow, reading these
comments no wonder people think we're not Christians.....My 2nd
son is on a mission. My first son decided to get married at 20 (sealed in the
temple at 21), so did not go on a mission.Is one a better human, a
better Mormon? Am I a failure of a father first, and a success second?Is it any of your places to judge me, my children, or Mr. Parker. NO!
Patriot said: "Danny Ainge didn't serve either. He played for 12 years
in the NBA and won a world championship! He later served as an LDS
Bishop."Cracks me up when people hold up Ainge as a good example
of the Faith, when for his first 30 years he was a punk. Having been associated
with him in Oregon and at BYU, I can tell you that it was probably a good thing
he did not serve a mission. Good for his companions, good for the
investigators. It took a long time for this particular individual to grow
up.... I'm glad he did. But I'm sure the important things in life
might have come sooner in life if he had heeded President Kimball's counsel
to lengthen his stride and serve a mission.
Y ask Y:When did it become a mandate to serve a mission at 18?
NEVER. He may elect to serve up to 26 years of age. So for you to state that
he is currently NOT following the Prophet and needs to (repent) is false, and
the unrighteous judgement puts you in danger of hellfire.
Wow, just wow. its no wonder I cannot stomach the culture here in Utah Valley.
Guys you seriously need to chill, if you are against young men not going on
missions you should start by influencing the young men in your wards, heck,
check your own homes for somebody who could use some advice. Do not start
laying the gospel down on a kid you have never, met, spoken too, affiliated
with, looked at (except online) or invested time and love in raising. He is
none of your business you need to relax and let him live. the people who raised
him should be the only ones who help him make any decision.
Great news! The church leaders give wise general counsel. GENERAL counsel. There
are exceptions to the rules. Jabari is one. He'll do more for the church at
Duke and in the NBA than any of you sour grapes hypocrites out there giving
Jabari the disappointed head shake. Gimme a break. This is fantastic news! Go
I wouldn't purport to tell Jabari whether or not he should serve a mission;
however, it would be interesting if someone studied the pro careers of past BYU
star basketball players to try to ascertain how much correlation there is
between serving a mission and one's longevity in the NBA. Anecdotally, it
always seemed to me that the players who served missions (e.g., Devin Durrant,
Michael Smith) typically didn't last as long in the NBA as some of the
players who didn't (e.g., Danny Ainge, Fred Roberts, Greg Kite). And even
an RM like Shawn Bradley, who stayed in the league for over a decade, never
really developed into the player he was expected to be. An LDS church member
who plays pro basketball, football, or baseball already forgoes strict Sabbath
observance for the sake of career. Does it really compound the situation not to
serve a mission for the same reason?
RE: HigvThen I guess you didn't notice that part in the
scriptures where the Lord tells Moses "Thou Shalt Not Kill," but then
tells Nephi take Laban's life for the greater good. What the Lord tells
people to do is the Lord's business, and you shouldn't go around
inventing doctrine. We are all responsible for our decisions. I'm happy I
can teach you more about our religion.
His only mission right now should be learning to nail jump shots.
Has anyone told him that the LDS church has an institute building and LDS
apartments across the street from the MSU campus? I got find a way to get this
message to Tom Izzo. Please Jabari don't get sucked into the Mormon
culture superiority complex. Plus...much more diversity. I'm sure the 4
hours from Chicago will help as well.
Missions are great but they are not for everyone.
This "Diversity" garbage is so overrated. Come to Utah. See how the
church is supposed to work. Then go out and help those in the "mission
field." You know the place that has fewer monthly baptisms than the Utah
missions.If he doesn't go to BYU then the only logical choice is
Duke. (And I hate Duke) MSU can't develop a decent pro player.
J-TX,Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was the "unrighteous
judgment blog". At least that is what everyone else is doing (including
you), so I thought I would pile on the bandwagon.
Haven't talent in something can easily put you in the spotlight on every
descision you choose to make. David archuleta, Manti Teo, the Osmonds, Jimmer
Freddette, Luke Staly all had achieved great talent before mission age and
performed in front of thousands so people follow there descisions like crazy.Any case I have seen several explanations of Laban and God always tells
us to do what is right. What Nephi was told was foreign to him he hesitated.
For active friends and neighbors trying to make that descision but not well
known besides family and friends I would not put them down for choosing not to
go. Wish they would and do what I can to encourage them. I think you can
defend righteous principles withoug unrighteous judgement, Encourage people to
keep the commandments and such help them repent when they need too. Were not
Protestants. All missionaries who go out willingly sacrifice. And performers
who are well known well there sacrifice might be more visible than the average
Joe. A mission is what Church leaders have repeatedly urged for all worthy
young men and we should encourage them.
While I wish that he had chosen to serve a mission now and hope that he will
choose BYU, it is not for me to judge him. Whatever he chooses, I hope that
people who are judging him don't drive him away.