I think he should get the same pay raise he got for teachers and state employees
over the last few years. 1%. They deserve it just as much as he does. But, as
everyone has been told its not in the budget. So it is not in the budget to give
the state leaders a raise until their bring compensation of the state employees
to pre-2007 levels.
Elected officials are public servants, not CEOs or career employees of a for
profit organization. As public servants, they should serve for
several years and then return to their chosen professions. Compensation should only cover their living expenses and health insurance
while they are in office. They should not receive taxpayer funded retirement
benefits with the possible exception of contributions to a portable 401(k) type
program while they are in office nor should they receive any other benefits such
as lifetime health insurance once they leave office.
I agree with Leqele. Teachers and State employees received a 1% pay raise last
year. That was sandwiched between several years of no pay raises.That combined with severe benefit cuts, the State will continue to lose good
workers. Many are already gone because of forced cutbacks and or finding better
jobs in the private sector. Anymores more losses and State services will
suffer.I believe Gov Herbert now must give a show of support by
finding money for his legions of workers. Even before himself and his agency
Seriously? A 36%(!) pay raise? In our current economy? At any time? You have GOT
to be kidding me. We're talking about a looming 'fiscal cliff',
employers cutting back hours because they say they won't be able to afford
healthcare, record unemployment, etc. Yeah, this is going to sit
will with the general public--you know, us common folk that struggle to take
care of our own families while also providing the salaries of our
'public' servants. Good grief.
They should donate back toward education.....good thing Obama will take a cut!
As much as I like the Governor, he is not the CEO of a private company where,
should he make a decision that comprises the fiscal health of the enterprize, he
also risks losing his own job. With all due respect, if our elected officials
make horrible decisions, they get to keep their job until, at least another four
years. And more if they manage to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.
In the private sector, the CEO would be terminated before the next working day
ended. The job of governor is so far on the other extreme from the daily
risk-taking of leaders in the private sector as to make the suggestion to raise
the salary laughable. The same SHOULD be said for university presidents and a
slew of other over-compensated employees of local, state, and federal government
entities. No Salary Increase. Not this year. Next year. Or in the coming decade.
There are thousands of Utahns who could fill those positions with as much
competency, if not more, and take half the pay. This is the insanity of the
modern, debt-driven, fiat currency society we live in.
No pay raise period. they just made another cut to medicaid-pcn program - it
will no longer cover mammograms. Mammos are seen as preventative care in at
least that if caught early can save thousands of dollars in healthcare costs.
They should also stop provided pragnancy insurance while they're at it for
pregnancy. If you have the money to have a child then you have the money and the
means to pay for the medical bill that comes with it. Pregnancy is preventable -
cancer is not and when cancer is caught early it can be cured for a lot less
money than it will cost to care for the person who ends up in the hospital
bedridden because of it.
That is crazy! We are barely making ends meet so why should the govorner's
and other state officials pockets become so full! That is so wrong and very
selfish! They should think about who they really work for..it's us the
regular hard working people who are lucky to even get a 1% raise a year!
I'd rather see teacher and police pay raised.
Are the people who recommended this the same people who recommend that
CEO's get 400+ times what their workers get paid?
I agree, that no one in an elected position, "A Servant of the People,"
should be getting a pay raise during this time in our economy. If there are
funds available they should be donated to the National Debt. Does anyone have a
total figure of how much that would be? Will any of our comments
matter? What do we need to do to stop this madness?
Absolutely ludicrous.How much did this (insert appropriate
adjective) panel get paid for the study?
Agree with the first comment. This proposal is going to be very unpopular.
Amen to all of your posts! So they don't need to be independently wealthy
to run for office. How is raising the pay going to help them run for office?
Can they borrow against what the will make "if" they are elected. This
is something that needs to be on a ballot so that all the people can be
represented, not just a few wealthy people who want to make others in their
influential cirle more of the same. And really! 36.5%! when was the last time
anybody was given a raise like that from an employer? They must be
Salary of elected officials should be the average income of those represented.
Current benefits, like health insurance, travel, etc., should match
the private sector. Retirement benefits, including Medicare and
Social Security, should be the same as those voted on for retirees.
If they can't "get by" on the salaries that they currently have,
perhaps they should find other work. I agree with others here, as long as the
state continues denying other state employees raises and cutting the jobs of
state employees, they have absolutely no business giving themselves a raise.
David, do you really think that if you cut the pay of say the dean of business
school at Weber State to less than $80k per year we would have an equal if not
greater degree of competency? Many of your arguments are logical but I fear you
go too far.
Perhaps if we cut state worker pay, we can accommodate this higher pay for the
higher ups.I respect governor Herbert. I imagine he embarrassed by
this pay raise proposal.
What a travesty of judgement! But on to a constructive comment. The gov and
his leader buddies need to first give pay raises to teaching teachers (not
researchers, not admin's) and to the rank and file workers in state and
local organizations. After teachers become paid fairly when compared with other
nearby states, then the gov and his leader buddies can begin to consider a
slight pay increase for themselves. Teachers first, if there's going
to be any pay raise at all! ! !Upper echelons later ! ! !C'mon people, govern, don't grab.
After working my rear off for my company--cleaning private areas, taking care of
old people, doing everything imaginable to help an older person in a care
home--after one year I got a 1% increase. Woopdy do.How about
giving this pay raise to the people who actually make the economy function
gov--the regular citizens.
The workman is worthy of his hire. Utah is very well run and the responsible
officials (the governor) should be compensated. The personal expenses of a
governor are high. Public service is not a religious vocation. If we pay them
"the average" we will have average people in office.
This is not the time to be suggesting elected office holders get large increases
in pay. I'm not sure it's even appropriate to suggest modest increases
of 1%. We have been fed the line and for the most part have embraced the
sentiment that we are entitled to things we have not earned or because we are
employed by government we're essential to human survival. Alternate suggests Gov Herbert find money for his legions of workers before
they flee to the private sector and state services suffer. The reason government
workers stay put is because the private sector cannot pay the same salaries they
enjoy in government employ. I know many more people vying for the coveted
government job compared to getting out of government. leqele is
crying the blues because privately (tax) funded workers have not seen large
enough increases for several years. Oh cry me a river.These are
tough times and soon to get tougher. State services need to suffer and be
streamlined or eliminated altogether. Just because it's a government job
doesn't mean it's mission critical. Tax based feeding at
the public trough is not (as the progressives say) sustainable.
I will support a pay raise for Herbert when our teachers aren't ranked 48th
in terms of salary, and we aren't dead last in per-pupil spending. And not
just a little bit last - we spend over $700 LESS per student than the next
lowest state, resulting in an abysmal rate of only 74% of students graduating
from high school (we are ranked a disappointing 33rd place in the US.)
@leqeleOr better, no pay raise and fund it to students. "Never Leave
Child Behind". Teacher do spend their own money for students needs and
knowing teachers won't get anything in return (or pat in the back). The
district cut back many things and some days teachers work with no earning when
kids have a day off.Really 36% raise? Is Hubert related to John
English (former uta) with some over $200,000 annual pension pay?
@ Owl"If we pay them the "average" we will have average
people in office.Everything does not relate to money - particularly
competency. We have excellent teachers who are paid less than
"average." We have lackluster professionals (and politicians) that are
paid more than "average."Governor Herbert is much better
than average. But, as an elected official, he represents the average voter that
elected him. With all due respect, his personal expenses should be no higher
than the average person since the state pays much of what would be considered
"personal expenses." When I travel, I pay for it. When he
travels, the state pays for it. When I entertain, I pay for it. When he does,
the state does. Nearly every meal I eat, I pay for. A lot of his meals, you
and I pay for. When I buy a new pair of shoes, I pay for them and so does he,
so we are on common ground here (pun intended.)If "average"
pay attracted "average" competency, then most of Congress would be on
I see they've done in Utah what they did in Idaho...let an appointed panel
decide whether elected officials should get a pay raise, thus taking the heat
off of themselves for recommended pay increases or simply just raising their own
pay outright. I have NEVER seen one of these panels recommend no pay raise. I
guess it's still not as bad as DC where they get a 4% increase every year
unless they vote not to. And of course that 4% amount gets bigger every year
because it's always 4% of number that keeps getting bigger. Don't we
all wish we could get that kind of deal? How about the voters get to vote every
2 years on pay raises for elected officials. After all, aren't WE the
"'Our concern was that the salaries ought to be at a level where you
didn't have to be independently wealthy to seek the jobs,' said Roger
Tew, commission chairman."How out of touch can you possibly be? How
many citizens could do this job for $50,00 - $60,000 a year and live
comfortably? How many citizens who are paying these outrageous salaries earn
far, far less than what they currently make right now? I think that these
arrogant, self-serving politicians should have a salary and benefits package
that is 10% less than what teachers make. Even that would be a gross
overpayment according to their worth.
So, the governor is earning around $110,000 currently. I'm not sure
raising his salary to $150,000 would be more of an incentive for those not
independently wealthy to run for governor. If anything, the lower salary might
give the independently wealthy pause when thinking about running for office.
That said, $110,000 isn't a ton of money for one with so much
responsibility, despite what many on here believe. However, you do have to take
into account all the other benefits when looking at the job, which are myriad in
this case. A pay raise is likely justified, but it's unlikely to be as
extreme as the panel recommends.I wonder how much money was wasted
on this panel. That in itself was probably more than the recommended pay raise.
While on one hand, we do want the available pool of people seeking office to be
wider than the independently wealthy, on the other hand, the budget for raises
needs to be considered against what other changes ought to be in our state
government in order to keep it from collapsing due to a lack of skilled
Owl,Believe it or not, and contrary to popular GOP mythology, money
is not the sole motivating factor behind human ambition. Many people, myself
included, are motivated by a variety of factors besides just money. Public
offices should be held by people who's motivation is public service, not
monetary gain.Raises for politicians should always be on the ballot,
the voters are the boss and we should decide what they get. I would gladly vote
them a 1-2% raise, 36.5% is ridiculous.
Sqweebie,Mammograms are the causing cancer. They should absolutely
be eliminated.As for pay raises? That seems like a pretty big leap.
Kind of thumbs the nose of all of us who are working just as hard and happy to
just have a job.It is not your right to live so large. You will
survive just like the rest of us.
With everything factored in, it costs tax payers one and a half billion dollars
a year to keep Obama going. He is by far the the most costly president ever.So why not give big chunks of raises for all our political leaders?
Under the guise of infrastructure, education, and helping the poor, they're
so good with balancing budgets.
My wife is recommending that I get a 36% pay raise, too.And that would
still not put my salary at what I was making five years ago.Times are
tough. Why should the elites get cushy raises?If they want to feel our
pain they need to live in the real world.
This Governor didn't even know or realize our graduation rate was low but
just as President Obama on Benghazi said, "We will get to the bottom of
this" and find out what happened. Our state has listened to him
campaiging for 3 years about how great the state is doing. We have had very
fiscally minded governors in the past. He knew what the salary was before he
ran for office and could have handed it over to the Cooke-Rampton team and I
would picture David Bird's group would not have recommended 36+% to a
Democrat. What happened to frugal Dougall? Would he get in there
with his high salary and recommend that there be an audit and take away the
increase? Teachers and other state of Utah based employees deserve
some of the piece of the pie. Public school teachers and school administrators
get blamed for the low graduation rate but the Governor gets a 36+% salary
increase and doesn't know. $85,000 bonus for his campaign was fair?He isn't starting next term with a positive note. All 4 State
elected officials knew what they were getting into and now a bonus for 4-years
worf writes: "With everything factored in, it costs tax payers one and a
half billion dollars a year to keep Obama going. He is by far the the most
costly president ever."Is it asking too much to request that he
provide us with some reliable documentation of that claim?
1. Assure my re-election.2. AFTER the election, announce a proposed
whopping 36% pay increase, but humbly settle for 1/2 that of ONLY 18%3.
Laugh at the lemming sheeple of this State who fell for it so easily --
AGAIN!Yep, Do as I say - not as I do.Amazing the kinds of
crooked things you can get away with when you have a ONE-Party political system!
This is what happens when a compensation committee is appointed with
governmental lobbysts as members. The back scratching continues.
You people have no room to complain you are the ones that voted for the big red
R. Now don't you wish that you would have not voted strait ticket? Think
about that before you vote again.
Quoting from the book Animal Farm -- The Pigs are in the
Farmhouse.As I recall -- Republican darling Mitt Romney skipped his
pay as Governor.And I never heard Jon Huntsman Jr. compaining.I guess some see being a Govenor as being an honor, a privledge, a chance to
SERVE.If you want CEO pay, go be a CEO.And I second the
motion someone mentioned of putting it up to a public vote!
As long as there are more than two or three people running for public office, we
must be paying them enough to make it worth it--or, they are altruistic,
independently wealthy folks, which is also good.What we should have
is a system whereby the computer can spit out the wage our public servants
deserve based on factors such as average wages of constituents minus an
unemployment rate factor--things that really make a difference to the people our
officials supposedly represent. Cut out the commissions that make
these wage recommendations and let the incentive for making good government hit
the governor and others in their own pocketbooks. When the economy improves,
they get their raise along with everyone else.Last I heard, it makes
no difference, Red or Blue, local or national, all politicians want their wages
I too appreciate what the Govenor has done for the state of Utah. However, he
should not get a pay raise that exceeds that of teachers! Fix education first.
I may have missed something, but when he was running for office, I didn't
see anyone holding a gun to his head. If he didn't like the pay, he should
have opted out and let someone else take the job. I agree there are a myriad of
people out there who would do the job for a fraction of the pay, and I dare say
do a better job as well. We seem to think that anyone who holds a high position
got there because of their own skill and ability--and often, nothing could be
further from the truth. People who run public monopolies (government agencies,
school districts, utilities, UTA, etc.) can do a horrible job, and because
they're the only game in town, it goes largely unnoticed and unchallenged.
Many would run for that office just for the networking, prestige, title,
benefits, etc. I don't think Herbert will quit just because we fail to
give him what some of his associates think is required.
Before we all go raid the Governors home lets slow down and think for a minute.
Gov. Herbert isn't the one saying he wants the raise. According to this
article he had nothing to do with the decision, it was an INDEPENDENT PANEL. If
you want to rant and rave, rant and rave at the panel not the Governor!
haha. That was a good chuckle. We got punked right?
HAHA!! So predictable. I just knew the comment world (the peanut gallery) would
just hash this report.
Let me see. You take away or reduce all the other public employees retirement
and health benefits. You freeze other state workers salaries. And when you do
give them a salary bump it is below the rate of inflation. This would be a
It looks like most agree that it should be no raise or even a cut.The last figures I seem to remember is that the present salary is well above
the average for the State, certainly well above mine.It is no secret
that I have not given Herber high marks on certain things during his
administration. When I sat down at a yearly review with each of my employees,
our conversation revolved on how merit (how well they met my expectations) some
were above average and were rewarded, most were average, and some were warned
that they had to improve. If I had sat down with Herbert there would certainly
been some areas where I felt he needed improvement (and no raise.)If
the 36% were implemented, it would mean the full salary for say a State Parks
worker that was dismissed because of budget limitations or a welcome raise to
many *workers* who receive much lower pay. I don't think I
would give the others that kind of raise either.
This year, as in many recent years, there was no salary increase for teachers
and state employees, and we actually LOST money because the employees have to
cover a much higher percentage of our insurance costs.
VST,California is a bigger state, so the demands are higher. In
that light, the Utah governor is grossly over paid. Should the Rhode Island
governor get the same pay as New York? In my opinion, any state with deficit
spending should vote them out, but that just doesn't happen. "One Young/Old Man"--try reading USA today. Sixty percent
of our national debt has come within the passed three and a half years. Obama
wants to add another 1.6 trillion dollars for just nest year. Why do you defend
that? Please explain yourself.
Paul Scholes:I stand by my comment. We can cut salaries in
government and higher education in half and stillmaintain the same level
of competency. From the freedom of information pages, all of which you can view
here:Utahsright dot com slash salariesI present only a
few of the public salary listings at the University of Utah. This is ridiculous
if not obscene. And the listings go on for thousands of employees.Kyle D Whittingham Coach, Major Sport/press, $1,949,790 John T Smith,
Professor (clinical), ACADEMIC, $1,317,090 Larry B. Krystkowiak, Coach,
Major Sport/press, SUPPORT, $1,087,430 Clough Shelton, Professor,
ACADEMIC, $1,085,830 Faizi A Siddiqi, Assistant Professor (clinical),
ACADEMIC, $1,083,460 Peter John Gruber, Associate Professor, ACADEMIC,
$1,046,190 William T Couldwell, Professor, ACADEMIC, $979,457 Vivian
S Lee, Senior Vice President, SUPPORT, $922,620Stephen Kenji Aoki,
Assistant Professor, ACADEMIC, $897,437 Charles L Saltzman, Professor,
ACADEMIC, $878,237 Darrel S Brodke, Professor, ACADEMIC, $867,053Jayant Agarwal, Assistant Professor, ACADEMIC, $859,165Douglas Clyde
Barnhart, Associate Professor, ACADEMIC, $858,834Eric R. Scaife, Associate
Professor, ACADEMIC, $842,268
all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others....
In this economy? The State panel needs to re-sign, give back their pay, and let
the citizens find someone living in the real world.
Say what? Is he a hedge fund manager?
As a real estate developer and had been a county commissioner, those offered him
more of an opportunity for money. With the $85,000.00 bonus he got as Governor
was scrutinized and even though he said he was authorized that, individuals or
corporations didn't want to have that happen to them this election. So
even though the David Bird group is not from the Governor's office, the
group was authorized to make this potential decision and recommendation. All 4
of the top elected top State of Utah officials were recommended for a salary
increase. That happened and whether it is the legislature or an executive
decision, the Governor and Frugal Dougall would have known about that
recommendation before the Press. The Auditor who is not an auditor would
probably know the process to do anything about that as he is not in office,
technically. He ran on conservative values and fiscal responsibility. A 36.5
percent increase would be a very good amount of money. This is not a one-time
bonus of $85,000.00 but is a significant amount when compared to the economy.
Utah is a conservative and fiscally responsible state except for some executive
VST,We agree on something. In my opinion---Any state that
doesn't balance their budget,--should fire their governor.Same
for our country. Just think of how good our economy would be today.
Hey Red - I live on 1300 a month. Wow that's living large - well it would
be if I didn't have the bills that I have but they get paid. Rent gets paid
after tything, food is bought without foodstamps. We don't go out to eat.
Don't even talk about Christmas as it's not happening at my house this
year as household expenses come first then the other bills like student loans the Breast cancer is hereditary in my family so yep good chance I could
develop it and not get it from having a mammo. The two family members who died
of breast cancer never had a mammogram.
If the governor was just getting his salary, I might be in favor of a slight pay
raise, but it is my understanding that we also supply him and his wife with a
car, a home, groceries, staff, and not sure what all else. So to have over
$100,000 and basically no monthly bills doesn't seem too shabby to me.
I was a state employee for 25 years and recently was laid off due to budget
cuts. State employees have gone for years with minimal or no pay rasies at all
and losing their jobs. To give the governer this type of pay raise is
ludicrous!!!! Especially when state employees are getting laid off due to
budget cuts. It was brought out in the article that the higher ups need to pay
their bills and have enough to live off. The governor can't live off over
$100,000/year salary when the average state employee is living off of
$25,000/year? He shouldn't be in charge of state budgets if this is the
case. This really makes me mad!!!!!
JDL--Sorry to burst your bubble but the state wage is substantially less than in
the private sector. The reason people stay with the state is for job security
and the benefits, certainly not the salary. Just ask any state employee and
they will varify this.
This WILL NOT happen. Who appoints these foolish commissions? Time to CUT way
back and lets start in Utah and show the country...especially our re-elected
spender in chief.
Who else in Utah gets that kind of pay raise?