@ogmsonutah "fans" and sdsu "fans" don't get
the truth because they don't want to get the truth. They want to believe
that anyone even remotely associated with BYU is a liar and a cheat and that is
the only reason BYU ever wins. They want to use that false premise as a means to
criticize BYU and its fans.The sad part is that many of these utah
"fans" are actually LDS and they are maligning a good man of their
faith, a great institution that is one of the most important institutions of
their faith, and all of the people that love and support their faith. It is
really pathetic and low but it is how it is.
The obvious face mask caused the obvious fumble. Anbody still trying to claim
that the Aztecs were robbed on the play is simply being disingenuous.Two blown calls on the same play resulted in a fair ruling on the field.
To Gone fishin, etal. Since this has been explained ad nauseum; Let's give
it one more whirl for the few out there who still haven't heard.The Replay booth was given every shot available, EXCEPT for the TV Broadcast
of the game. For some reason, still unknown to everyone except the engineer
controlling the broadcast, the TV feed was not provided to the booth. They did
have BYU's feed, which had no shot of the fumble because the prime camera
locations were surrendered to the TV Broadcast crew. As the story is
told, BYU had two camera's running and could only provide two angles to the
Booth. There was a delay with Chad, etal, because they were trying to get the TV
feed, but couldn't. The replay official had to rule on what he saw....
Nothing. Not the face mask, not the fumble. Amazing to me that SDSU fans and
Alum, including ute fans, can't get the facts straight. Even as simple as
they are. Everyone who watched the game on TV could clearly see the fumble,(And
the face mask) but no one sent that to the booth.
sportsfanforlife"and you're actually claimin notre dame was
ranked number 1 when you played em? and you had the audacity to call dude
delusional?"Talk about delusional and grasping at straws.Who cares whether currently #1-ranked Notre Dame was "only"
ranked #5 when BYU played the Fighting Irish in South Bend, it was still a MUCH
BIGGER game for BYU than playing a former WAC/MWC foe in the Poinsettia Bowl
@snack pac"You're actually claiming that playing San Diego in the
Poinsettia Bowl is BIGGER than playing #1-ranked Notre Dame in South
Bend???"and you're actually claimin notre dame was ranked
number 1 when you played em? and you had the audacity to call dude
delusional?No the Poinsettia Bowl is not bigger than the game with
Notre Dame. I got lucky and traveled to that game and would trade going to 5
Poinsettia Bowls to go back. In fact playing an unranked Notre Dame in South
Bend is more fun than going to Utah, Boise State and SDSU combined.The Poinsettia Bowl will be the end of a frustrating season. I am soooooo
excited about the game that I will watch my daughters high school game that
A non-story.Everyone needs to move along and discuss the merits of
I spent Saturday in the Rockaways where tens of thousands were without power,
lost homes and cars to Hurricane Sandy. Millions are out of work, there are wars
in other countries and this is the most serious thing you people (including S
Diego fans) have to talk about? I'm glad life is so good for you all that
you have time to micro-analyze such a non-event as a fumble that took place 2
years ago. To stir up hatred over this is just unthinkable...
RE:Aztec Faithful"BYU had two affiliated people out of the three total
people in the replay booth, a post which could and did influence the outcome of
the game on behalf of BYU. Chad Bunn was responsible for providing the available
angles to the replay official, of which one key angle was not provided."And you can prove this statement? Chad Bunn did not provide all the
video that was ask for? If you repeat lies it dosn't make them true no
matter how many time you repeat them. And in all fairness yes it was a fumble,
but if you are going to call the play correctly then the facemask would of been
called before the fumble. Is that correct Aztec Faithful? In all fairness
which I'm sure you are look for. SDSU should of gotten a 15 yard flag and
BYU would of keep the ball.
@snack pac "You're actually claiming that playing San Diego in
the Poinsettia Bowl is BIGGER than playing #1-ranked Notre Dame in South
Bend???"and you're actually claimin notre dame was ranked
number 1 when you played em? and you had the audacity to call dude delusional?
Thanks Dick. I had completely forgotten about this. If I met this guy I never
would have made the connection. It will be interesting to see if this article
keeps the media from talking about this two-year old incident or only stokes the
As a long-time Cougar supporter, their invite and acceptance to the Poinsettia
bowl reflects a sad commentary regarding the BYU program and its slide downward
in relevance in the overall view of D-1 football. They are 7-5 with the best
defense in a generation, and they can only expect to attend the little sister
bowl game in San Diego. Sure the game is played on the same field as the local
big bowl game-the Holiday Bowl, where the team has played in some of the most
memorable games in its history. It is not like this year is an aberration, their
bowl invites the past number of years has barely earned the program enough to
pay for the expenses to attend. Not much more to say, too sad to try.
I read the San Diego article and was surprised to see this come up. I've
been to nearly every BYU - SDSU game since 1995 or so and always had a great
time, win or lose. But some fans were abusive. Easy to understand. Most of the
time BYU easily defeated SDSU since Marshal Falk left.An excellent
reason to leave the MWC behind. BYU so dominated those programs and BYU fans
were often louder than the locals, it is easy to see why BYU is hated. Just like
USC is hated in the PAC12.It's good to be hated like that. You
have to BE good to be hated like that. I love it. Weep on SDSU fans. We
won't miss you.
Two For Flinching: BYU fans whined over that call in the Utah game for a whole
year. It was even brought up in this thread a few times.... Yeah but nobody
heard a peep *wink*Did you hear Bronco or Holmoe or any coach or
official affiliated with BYU whine about that call? Nope. The clear difference
is that SDSU's head coach, AD, and administration whined publicly and
repeatedly about the BYU-SDSU incident and took their MWC grievances to the
press. Their boosters became involved and tried to bully BYU's admin into
"forfeiting" the game as well.As for fans, while I think
your claim about BYU fans whining for a year is exaggerated, these are fans and
not official representatives of the university. Not so with the SDSU
@thenunWell let's examine that ridiculous assertion and
immediately discedit it shall we?The 1st year tcu joined the mwc BYU
played them in a high scoring game. That game went into overtime if I'm not
mistaken. On tcu's game tieing possetion the replays clearly show the tcu
ball carrier fumbling the ball BEFORE he crosses the goal line. He was awarded
the td and it was upheld despite clear video evidence that he fumbled the ball
before crossing the goal line.You've never heard of this you
say? Of course you haven't because BYU and its fans, while disappointed and
obviously not happy with the botched replay call just accepted it and moved on.
Nice try on your part but FAIL!
If I remember correctly,I believe that Lavel Edwards and Rocky Long were
friends and had a great deal of respectfor each other and each others
Univeristies. What has happened since that time?
Who were the media personalities? C'mon. Every news story has a name
attached to it. Is Dick afraid of harming one of his colleagues?
SDSU fans have a long history of classless, irrational, and often bigoted
treatment of BYU.I truly hope BYU mops the field with them.
@ JmThmsYou serious? BYU fans whined over that call in the Utah
game for a whole year. It was even brought up in this thread a few times....
Yeah but nobody heard a peep *wink*
If the media wants to talk about this long-dead "controversy", the real
question is "why didn't the MWC explain and defuse this situation when
it happened?" Instead, they threw everyone involved under the bus, and did
not bother to explain what Mr. Bunn had to get a lawyer to explain several years
I sure am glad we get to rehash this again. Thanks for bringing it up, Dick...
@Aztec Faithfulhahaha stop acting like sdsu was treated so unfairly.
in sports sometimes the officials make the wrong call. it happens every game!
get over it. your whole "take my ball and go home" attitude is
ridiculous. wouldnt you want your team to get revenge and beat byu?
Aztec FaithfulSix of the 9 MWC schools used alums as replay
technicians in the booth over the years. Due to a 10 years history outstanding
quality and unbiased work, Chad Bunn was selected by the league (without
reservation) to man the replay booth at BYU home games for years without
complaint or incident.Mr. Bunn followed NCAAF booth review protocol
and provided additional angles for review to the lead replay official. It was
not Bunn's job to review the feeds, but to provide them. The replay
official decided not to review them even though Bunn informed him there were
additional angles. Bunn followed protocol and did his job.BYU is not
lawyered up. Mr Bunn has hired a lawyer to protect his good name and
professional reputation.What IS deserving of reproach, however, is
the unethical manner in which SDSU coaches and officials "leaked" the
dispute to the local SD media, and overtly discussed it in the press - both
direct violations of MWC policy. Then your boosters attempted intimidation of
BYU's president demanding him to "forfeit" the game to the Aztecs
(LOL).BTW, the fumble happened with 1:47 left in the 3rd quarter and
BYU up 17-14.
@the nun.Really? Did you read anything before typing? Little
advice...next time you have a thought...let it go!
"I remember when the Y played SDSU every year. The game when played in San
Deigo usually drew about 25000 fans. Big deal. Now this is the biggest game of
the year. Sad decline in BYU football."Some BYU haters are
frankly ridiculous. Biggest game of the year?!?! Ummmmm let's not forget
BYU almost beat #1 Notre Dame in south bend. Get over your irrational hate, it
just makes you look less than intelligent.
I wonder how much the y fans tune would change had the situation been reversed
and the aztecs were the ones on the fortuitous end of a missed call.If
lawsuits are in the works, someone must be still feeling guilty. No?
Same thing happened at the 2010 BYU-Utah game, when Bradley's knee was
down, but they ruled it a fumble. But unlike SDSU, BYU knows that those calls
are part of the game.
Aztec Faithful,Your at it again. I lived in San Diego many years and
heard one thing after another. You all should be ashamed. Bogus accusations of
racism. Excuses. Whining. All due to an inferiority complex. Just be proud of
your team. You don't have to go after superior programs by incessantly
besmirching their reputation. Unfortunately, the 'face' of SDSU is
that of Chris Ello. And that isn't a good face to have.
No, if it were turned around BYU people WOULD NOT behave as those in San Diego
did. In fact, a terrible fumble replay decision was called against BYU later in
the year against Utah. Didn't hear a peep from BYU's side.
Furthermore, this behavior from many of those associated with SDSU, like Chris
Ello, is just another in a long pattern. I lived in San Diego from '82 -
'86, from '95 - '2011. Too many associated with SDSU over the
years have lied by falsely accusing BYU people and players of racism, bad
behavior, and otherwise tried their best to besmirch the character of BYU and
people associated with it. They have whined and made excuses, such as the
'advantage' BYU has with older players. I know first hand by sitting
in the stands at Jack Murphy/Qualcomm stadium through the years and listening to
it.All of this illustrates the horrible, despicable character of those at SDSU
guilty of it. Of course all this has everything to do with the inferiority
complex of too many associated with SDSU vis a vis BYU, and not anything having
to do with BYU.
Cal Native, Aztec Faithful, you are both uninformed and equally uninformed.
Aztec Faithful ,How many WAC and MWC Football Championships does
SDSU have ? Sounds like sower Grapes to me. GAME ON !!!
Aztec FaithfulThis is nothing but a bunch of sour grapes by Aztec
fans. Why would Chad Bunn risk ruining the rest of his career to
keep one erroneous fumble call from being overturned? IF SDSU fans
were at all honest with themselves, they would recognize that the Aztecs got
away with a clear face mask that caused the fumble. The double errors by the
officials essentially cancelled each other out and resulted in a fair result.I'm sure there are still replays available on YouTube. Review the
play yourself and you'll clearly see the face mask that caused the fumble.
I agree with D4. Dick Harmon just drummed this up for a news story. A non-issue
for sure.Aztec, since when did you make the big decisions for bowl
games? Such a poor sport.
@Aztec FaithfulI realize that there are fans of every team that are
such homers they can't see the truth or listen to facts before they get
dominated by their emotions and form immovable opinions based on those emotions
and not facts...The call was totally blown. So was the face mask.
I have three friends who are college officials and they all readily admit to
make up calls. I wouldn't be surprised if the replay official saw the face
mask and "made up" for the personal foul they missed which would have
negated the fumble anyway. I know that's not the rules of replay, but
that's what happens when people are involved. Bunn was entirely
exonerated, there is no argument against him. You claiming he didn't show
an angle is emotional speculation and makes you look silly. Hate BYU all you
want, I think there's a club. But stop trying to justify your disdain
within some imagined injustice of a completely false conspiracy.
So someone connected to BYU was blamed for throwing a game in BYU's
favor.Then it turns out that that same person had absolutely NOTHING
to do with making that call (which, BTW, should have been obvious to anyone with
an ounce of objectivity since that person associated with BYU was not, repeat,
N-O-T one of the referees).So now he fights back.Good
for him.But, I bet that his logical, truthful, FACTUAL defense will
fall on deaf ears to the vast, vast majority of BYU-haters.Why?Do you REALLY want me to go there?.....
Aztecs should use 'replay-gate' as a motivator to create interest in
the game and sell more tickets. It's pretty clear the Aztec players
didn't want to stay at home for their bowl, but now that they are, they
need some kind of motivation. Even without it, the Aztecs are good this year,
and will have plenty of ammo to hammer the Cougs on their home turf. Meanwhile,
BYU wants to finish strong for their seniors and try to make the best of what
will probably be a money-losing bowl outing.
p.s. CalNative & Y dad/Y grad:CalNative is wrong. First of all,
even public figures can sue for libel and/or slander if the statement is false,
damages can be shown, and malice on the part of the libelist/slanderer is
demonstrated. Being in the public eye doesn't preclude someone from having
their interests legally protected. The malice/intended harm component just
becomes more important in such cases, and that is about the only difference
between a public and private individual. Whether or not malice could be
demonstrated in regard to Chad Bunn would be a tricky issue with both sides
having arguments to be made.However, merely being mentioned in a
public statement by no means qualifies one as a "public figure." Were
that the case, anyone mentioned in a news article would be deemed a "public
official", which isn't the case. I don't know any judge who would
classify Chad Bunn as such, and as a result it's highly unlikely that
malice would have to be demonstrated. Thus, the private citizen rules apply,
which means negligence has to be proven to establish libel. And following a
cease and desist letter, that's possible
You can throw all reason out the window in sports. Some fans will ignore reason
when it is staring them right in the face. Hate is blind.The accusations against
Chad Bunn are bogus and sour grapes.Dick Harmon has made that perfectly clear in
this article.I don't see anyone disputing the significant facts that clear
Just get the season done already. Stop the bleeding and get well my friends.
If BYU fans were SDSU fans, they'd probably be angry too. But seriously...
First of all, if it was a perfectly officiated play, the facemask call is made
and BYU has the ball plus 15 yards. So there's no argument to be made on
the basis that SDSU somehow DESERVED this win based on that play. Their argument
is based on the technicality that a replay official can't retroactively go
back and create a penalty which was also obviously botched on the field and, in
lieu of any remedy to an improperly officiated play, an additional botched call
which can be remedied should have been. So if you remove everything but what
happened in the replay booth and focus solely on that, SDSU is right. But if you
look back down on the field, where the actual game is played, and decide who
deserved what based on that, then the team that deserved to win did. But if your
argument is that you should have won on an unfair technicality, then wow. This
is even worse than listening to people say the Patriots deserved to win based on
the tuck rule, because that play was unfortunately officiated correctly
PatriotHuh?CalNativeIt's been a while
since I've been in the business, but I think you have your criteria for
"public figure" as it relates to slander or libel wrong. Any practicing
communications lawyers or PR guys, care to clarify?
Chad Bunn had no business in the replay room. It gives the appearance of a
conflict of interest, and justifies questioning that particular play.Chad Bunn should voluntarily stay out of this game in every way.
If you remember, BYU did experience the short end of the same kind of bad call
when Utah beat BYU because a player was not called down before the fumble
occured. The SDSU fumble occured in the 3rd quarter and didnt directly lead to
BYU winning that game. BYU fumble was a direct link to the loss to Utah. Not
everything goes BYU way.
patriot"I remember when the Y played SDSU every year. The game
when played in San Deigo usually drew about 25000 fans. Big deal. Now this is
the biggest game of the year. Sad decline in BYU football."Have
you gone completely delusional in your frenzy to hate on all things BYU?You're actually claiming that playing San Diego in the Poinsettia
Bowl is BIGGER than playing #1-ranked Notre Dame in South Bend???Get
real!It'll be an interesting matchup between a couple of
long-time former conference opponents, but nothing more.
BYU had two affiliated people out of the three total people in the replay booth,
a post which could and did influence the outcome of the game on behalf of BYU.
Chad Bunn was responsible for providing the available angles to the replay
official, of which one key angle was not provided.So
congratulations! Stuffing the replay booth wasnt against the rules at the time,
and you found a guideline that says Chad Bunn didnt have to show the best angle
to the replay official if the official didnt specifically ask for it. BYU is
all lawyered up and ready to sue, while the BYU faithful pat each other on the
back over how above reproach they all are.The part that truly
saddens me is that SDSU accepted the invite to play in this game at all. It may
be a good financial decision, but in my heart it just isn’t worth it. We
should have never, ever have stooped to playing BYU again after that, and I
don’t care how many lawyers they have.
AllSeeingEye"Mr. Bunn volunteered to be suspended over the
indcident, because he is just that kind of guy.But, his lawyer
threatens lawsuits regarding radio talk show blather?Wow, good luck
with that." It's called slander when you publicly defame a
private citizen's character without factual proof - look it up. And the
media that are spreading the false accusations had better take the threat of a
lawsuit seriously, because cases like this can and do lead to serious monetary
If you watch and listen closely, you will hear an inadvertant whistle, by the
side judge, blowing the play dead, just prior to the fumble occurring. The
offical had ruled his forward progress had stopped by blowing the play dead. No
one has ever brought up this theory, but once the whistle's blown the play
becomes offically over.Side Judge blew this one, literally, but
never had the fortitude to admit it.Goooooo Cooooogars!!!
I remember when the Y played SDSU every year. The game when played in San Deigo
usually drew about 25000 fans. Big deal. Now this is the biggest game of the
year. Sad decline in BYU football.
I know Alan Mortensen very well. It would be wise to avoid crossing him client
via attacking Chad Bunn. I am sure Alan knows the laws better than any of the
people posting here. Trust me, let it go people.
Ernest,Thanks for your misinformed insights into BYU sports. Talk about
So Bunn is all lawyered up now? Too bad - it is a public news statement that he
was suspended for blowing the call, and now he is a public figure. Different
slander rules apply - Bunn is fair game.
"It’s only a matter of time until somebody brings up Bunn and the
video replay in San Diego and begins a drum beat". Ah Dick,
..............didn't you just start it? Aside from that I hope it is
a non issue.
To gonefishn -If you read again the part of this article where
Harmon quote MWC official replay guidelines, you will find that its clearly up
to the replay official to request the replay he chooses to look at. That's
why it was him that was suspended. If Chad "failed to give the crucial
angle" as you suggested, it's because he wasn't asked for it.
Case closed. The MWC closed that case two years ago, so it's exactly as
Harmon has written it - the point is that Chad Bunn will not have his name drug
through the mud anymore on this issue. I happen to know him pretty well.
He's exactly as Harmon has held him out to be - one of the most
hard-working honest people you could meet. Once again, people have a right to
their opinions, but please - base those opinions on fact. It's too easy in
this world to base opinion on emotion, only. Based on the facts of this case -
Chad Bunn is innocent. Good for him to stop the nonesense.
The brew ha ha was not over him having the ability to overturn on the field
calls as Harmon suggests. The entire controversey was over whether or not Mr.
Bunn had access to the crucial angle in the replay booth that was being
televised for everyone to see. Did He fail to provide the crucial angle to the
replay official? Did he provide it but it was disgarded by the replay official?
Did he ever have the angle to provide to the replay official and if not, why?I think what is agravating for SDSU fans is that there was only partial
disclosure of what happened given to the public which is a diservice to Mr. Bunn
As a Ute fan, I agree with the sentiment here. Give the guy a break. He did
his job well and continues to. I wonder who the radio guy
was.........im guessing it was kyle gunther or kevin graham on kfan.
So, let me see if I have this straight. Mr. Bunn volunteered to be
suspended over the indcident, because he is just that kind of guy.But, his lawyer threatens lawsuits regarding radio talk show blather?Wow, good luck with that. Should be an interesting couple or
three weeks until the ball game.
Let's go back and look at the pass interception by buy against Utah that
ended in a non fumble as clearly shown on the replay. That ended up in a 17-16
win for Utah. When does it stop?
Ernest T. BassWhatever "email campaign" you're talking
about must have been sooo insignificant that no one here even knows what
you're talking about.BYU was robbed far worse by replay
officials in SLC that same season, without near the hysteria coming from BYU
fans that we heard from SDSU fans.If called correctly according to
the replay, the blown fumble call in the SDSU game would have given the Aztecs
the ball deep in their own territory with BYU still leading. Since BYU's
defense had been shutting down SDSU's offense all game, it's very
likely that SDSU would have been forced into a quick 3-and-out, and BYU would
have gotten the ball right back, to burn even more time on a scoring drive and
give SDSU even less time to mount a comeback.If called correctly on
the field, SDSU would have been flagged for a 15-yard facemasking penalty,
shortening BYU's scoring drive even more.As the article stated:
neither Chad Bunn nor BYU had anything to do with decision by the head replay
official. The MWC, not BYU, was solely responsible for the fiasco.
Turn it around and byu fans would have freaked out even worse than the media in
San Diego did. The email campaign against that player from Nevada a few years
ago was simply a total embarrassment. That guy will never look at the church in
a positive light.
Here we go again going back in time. Is December 20 here yet. GO COUGARS!
Coach Long is a personal friend and former mentor to Coach Mendenhall. He's
not going to take the bait and get caught up in the San Diego media hatefest.
BYU fans would be wise to simply ignore the baiting as well. The Aztecs are
beating a dead horse by trying to reopen an old wound.
We might note that DiLuigi was having his head ripped off by a facemask on that
exact play, which you clearly see in the video - the facemask largely caused the
fumble to occur. So why did some SDSU fans whine about officials missing a
fumble when they clearly missed a 15-yard + BYU possession penalty on the same
play? Sour grapes. BYU is having a down year, this is SDSU's chance to get
revenge, I would avoid focusing on this, and it sounds like coach Long is being
wise in doing so, media obsession aside.
Glad to see that somebody is sticking up Chad Bunn for baseless attacks on an
honorable man. Chad did absolutely NOTHING wrong or against protocol that day in
the video replay booth.