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Huntsman association with No Labels group could hurt his future with GOP

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  • TopCat772 Patchogue, NY
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Jon Huntsman, as Obama's campaign manager Jim Messina recently stated, was the GOP's best shot in this cycle. He would have polled better than Romney among swing voters in battleground states on which the election hinged. Huntsman was the first to distance himself from Trump who later became a liability for the party. He would have immediately withdrawn his support for Richard Mourdock after his rape comment, making a difference with female voters and younger voters. He would not have made some of the infamous gaffes Mitt made. His record has been more consistent and he did not have Romney's reputation of being a flip flopper. Huntsman also had the most impressive resume of all the GOP candidates. His was state was ranked "Best State For Business" while Romney's was ranked 47th. He had significant foreign policy experience compared with none for any of the other candidates. He was a proven fiscal conservative whose more moderate social views are practical given the demographic realities in this country. He would have been the hardest candidate for Obama to build a case against.

    Hunstman has the best chance to bring the White House back to the GOP in 2016.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    What a laugh! Huntsman lost my respect in his last months as governor of Utah before he left for Obama's China aasignment. I didn't agree with many of his ideas and policies. He drifts further and further off the radar for me. I would never vote for him for anything again!

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    It may all but end his Republican career, but we all know he's a closet democrat anyway. Next election, he could say look I'm on both sides of the line, and voters will buy it hook,line, and sinker. As the last election has proven, the typical American voter will buy just about anything (note my total lack of party reference on that!)

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    I knew back when JonBoy ran for governor the first time that he was not a conservative, even though he said he was. Didn't vote for him then, wouldn't now. He wouldn't be where he is today if is Dad wasn't loaded.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 2:44 a.m.

    George Washington said it well in his final farewell address: "When party wins the people lose." Our parties are more interested in their survival than the people they represent. I will not financially support either party until they present issues and not character assassination and run smear campaigns.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    Huntsman would have been slaughtered by Obama. I have a label for JonBoy, Progressive.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    VST
    Bountiful, UT
    @LDS Liberal,

    So, you voted for Huntsman. Just before the election, you posted that you were going to vote for the Libertarian Gary Johnson.

    ===============

    True - I did, I was.
    I've voted Libertarian for over 20 years.

    I wanted the Republicans to finally dump their ultra-far-right-wing Tea Party Master Over-Lords and snap out of it, back to reality -- but, alas....

    Huntsman was the only sane candidate to throw his hat in.

    I mean really? --

    Donald Trump,
    Michelle Bachmann,
    Rick Perry,
    Flip-Flop Romney

    C'mon

    Besides - I gives me the ultimate dig for the next 4 years.

    I didn't vote for Obama,
    AND
    I voted for the only Republican who really ever had a chance to win it,
    a shame Republicans were too busy playing ideological puritans to actually consider winning the WhiteHouse.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    @Chris B

    So you're suggesting the Green Party has not attempted to be a viable third party? Even though they have ran candidates for office at every level of government and have even had a few successes in a several states like California, Arkansas and Maine, electing candidates to city council and state legislature offices?

    Do I personally believe the Green Party has become a viable third party? Of course not. Any more than the Libertarian party, which has been around for decades, has any viability.
    And if Rocky Anderson thinks his new Justice Party is going to sweep in and become that viable third party, I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Could a viable third party emerge which takes ideas from both the Republicans and Democrats and adopts them as their own as a means to appeal to all voters? Sad to say, I don't think so.

    George Wallace's American Independent Party tried it in the late 60's and it didn't work. Ross Perot's Reform Party tried it in the late the 90's and it didn't work. Ego, infighting and radicalism won out in both cases.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    Huntsman would be no more viable a contender in 2016 than he was in 2012. The truth is, he was never a viable contender, and would never have even appeared on the radar, had it not been for the Joe-Kennedy-esque efforts of his father to promote the possibility. Just as in the original gubernatorial race where there were several more-qualified candidates than Jon, Jr., money (as in long-time large contributions on the national level) gets people's attention.

    For those who recall, when Huntsman's name began to appear in pre-campaign headlines, he was being touted as a Tea-Party candidate. To any one who paid attention to what Huntsman DID as governor, as opposed to what he SAID during his campaigns, those early characterizations were straight off Comedy Central! It was at that point that it became clear that news outlets and other "thought leaders" were being worked via a carefully crafted spin campaign to get Huntsman's name bumped up the list.

    I have the utmost respect for Jon Huntsman, Sr., as a businessman, an individual and a churchman, but I feel his love for his son may have blinded him to political reality.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    He's profiled in the Charlie Rose section of the newest Business Week

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 29, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    Huntsman no longer relevant in the Republican Party. What a blessing for him. He must really be "favored of the Lord".

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Jon Huntsman's only flaw is that he is a Mormon.

    If the GOP rejects him, so much the worse for the GOP.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Call me extreme --
    My conscious is clear...

    I voted for Jon Huntsman Jr. THIS last election 2012 -- [wrtie-in candidate].

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    ClarkHippo-
    "Look at Ralph Nader and the Green Party..."

    You are assuming the 'Green Party' was a viable third party. That could be part of the problem.

  • Richard Votaw Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Huntsman has a future with the GOP???

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    Tea Party people may have some good principles to ride on but how they ride on them is what has some people upset and bias about. Ross Perot may have had similar type principles but he split the Republican Party and gave the election to Bill Clinton whose wife is still very viable due to that process in the public's eye.

    You have to work from within a Party to improve the process, whether Democrat or Republican. Those two parties would even join forces to put the other group asunder. Since Abraham Lincoln both parties have developed their inner circle type of processes. They have too much power to let it go.

    Which party to choose is the for principled people is hard. Which party has values that you can support? Which party has shown that it actually believes in people?

    Parties say they are for people but what does that mean? Do they want entitlements that bankrupt the country if not managed? People want entitlements once they are hooked on them due to political promises. When one part or another gives those entitlements or extends them, when they come due the people then tread backwards.

    Grandchildren pay.

  • Palmetto Bug Columbia, SC
    Nov. 29, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    I was fine with Romney but was excited about Huntsman. If he could make it through the primaries he would do very well in a general election. Unfortunately I doubt he can ever make it out of a primary run by tea-party zealots.

    If Huntsman had been the nominee this year we would be celebrating the first Utah-based president elect.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Nov. 29, 2012 6:14 a.m.

    Huntsman was a serious contender for my vote. He did not participate in the 'race to extremes' like all of the others in the Primary.

    I hope the Administration looks at him for Secretary of State.

  • TopCat772 Patchogue, NY
    Nov. 29, 2012 4:59 a.m.

    Matthew Wilson believes No Labels lacks relevance and that it is not in the cards for Huntsman to be President because of his association with the group. This is just another miscalculation by and about the GOP. In the wake of all of the GOP’s post-defeat reflecting, Huntsman and this organization are more relevant than ever. He remains consistent with his maverick stance during the primaries regarding excessive and extreme partisanship and as Americans of all demographics become more familiar with him they will respect these convictions and support him.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 1:53 a.m.

    While Jon Huntsman Jr. wasn't my first choice, he wasn't my last choice, that would be who was elected.

    It isn't just some republicans attitude about party label needs to change, many democrats will not vote for an "R", no matter who it is or what they stand for.

    Lucky there are between 1/2 to 60% of the population that will look at who is running, and not just the R or D.

    There were about as many straight ticked D's in SLco as R's this last election.

    That said, Huntsman stopped going to party conventions while he was still governor of Utah. This is nothing new.

  • Agustis Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 28, 2012 10:40 p.m.

    Smart move. Talk about issues.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    The founding fathers liked the electoral college idea, where the states would have a voice as states--but they warned about the whole process being hijacked by political parties. So what do we have now? A "two-party system." What a disaster. Like some have pointed out, how come we have 50 choices for Miss America, but only two for president? But the way it's set up now with the power structure, anyone who doesn't play in one of those two sandboxes is pretty much doomed to just pulling votes from other candidates. Sad.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Nov. 28, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    "A viable third party would not take equal votes away from both the R's and the D's. Look at Ralph Nader and the Green Party in 2000. I seriously doubt Nader got the same number of Republican votes as he did Democrat votes."

    Can't agree with this statement. Hence the "viable" part of "viable third party." I agree that Tea Party, Libertarians, and Green Party types will never become that third party. But there is room for a third party that adopts major principles from both parties. For example, a party that is opposed to abortion but is also in favor of social programs like welfare. An offshoot of an extreme of either party doesn't stand a chance, because neither party is large enough to support that. But a party that is truly centrist stands a chance. We just have to get over the belief that a single party's platform somehow naturally goes together (what does military spending have to do with abortion, for example?).

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 28, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    Huntsman has Republicans not liking him and Democrats not liking him. He was much better qualified than Romney. I would support a Huntsman 2016 run as in independent.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    @1conservative

    You said - "I've never quite understood why there isn't a viable 3rd party."

    A viable third party would not take equal votes away from both the R's and the D's. Look at Ralph Nader and the Green Party in 2000. I seriously doubt Nader got the same number of Republican votes as he did Democrat votes.

    Not only that, third parties have a tendency to attract those who support loopy ideas. I've read some of the platforms of third party candidates who want to bring back prohibition, eliminate public schools, protect U.S. borders with shoot-to-kill methods, eliminating the U.S. military and many other ideas most reasonable people would object to.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    Huntsman is no better than the Democrats, or the wishy washy Republicans who have mired their party in failed campaigns for far too long.

    Republicans need to get away from trying to be a pale pastel shade of liberal democrats and their Santa Claus approach, and instead be fire breathing conservatives who aggressively fight the lies of the media and the ignorance and dependency that enables Democrat victories over and over. Huntsman is NOT the man to do that.

    Huntsman needs to come out of the closet to admit that he is the same as a Democrat.

  • mcdugall Layton, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 8:29 p.m.

    John Huntsman is better than the GOP and Democrat parties.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 28, 2012 8:10 p.m.

    Jon Huntsman would have beat President Obama but you Republicans insisted on a purity test and ran out the best possible and sensible candidate. Huntsman's politics are similar to what Romney's USED TO BE before he became MittChameleon.

    Maybe Hunstman is't the church goer you think he should be but that is between him and The Holy One Of Israel and he employeth no servant. If you judge him spiritually, you will be judged. He would have been a great economic planner, a fiscal conservative, and NOT pushed for 2 Trillion in addition to military spending on top of DOD budget requests.

    Huntsman is right, we all need to work together, even the First Presidency said so in their congratulations to President Obama in the second term. Stop with the dramatic predictions and make this country a better place instead of using reelection as an excuse to treat people poorly who don't agree with you.

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    what future?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 28, 2012 7:35 p.m.

    According to Ghandhi one of the seven great evils are: Politics without principle.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    I've never quite understood why there isn't a viable 3rd party.

    Maybe Huntsman is the one to get it going.

    No doubt in my mind that a 3rd party could pick up votes from both "R's" and "D"'s.

    I doubt the mainstream media would like it much though. It would probably give them "brain freeze" trying to figure out who "fits" where!

    They so much like to stereotype BOTH parties.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    Jon Huntsman is too good a man to remain with the GOP. He needs to move on to someplace where his good sense and intellect can be used and not stifled.

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    As JHJ is reasonable, articulate and willing to listen to the opinions of others, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that the Republican Party would want nothing to do with him - and vice versa.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 28, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    "poised to play a key role in No Labels, a national organization that promotes bipartisanship, a move that some see as all but ending his political career as a Republican."

    My goodness. We certainly cannot have someone in the GOP who "promotes bipartisanship"

    How sad is that......

  • DrGroovey Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    I think Jon Huntsman has realized, like a growing number of Americans have, that both major political parties in this country are evil. Both parties are filled with people who are more loyal to their party than they are to the nation or the constitution. Until the partisanship can be put aside, our country will continue its down slide.