To peacemaker 1:27 p.m. Nov. 28, 2012Difficult to believe That so
many have not taken the time or else just don't care about the character
and background of the man who was just elected to be President of a God fearing
nation. We should pray that our standards will be maintained and beliefs will
not falter in these difficult times. Past performance is the best indicator of
future behavior.-------------------That is exactly why I
couldn't vote for Romney. I did not want someone as dishonest and
untruthful, and as unconcerned about anyone not a member of the mega-wealthy 1%,
as Romney's words and actions proved him to be. I cast a write-in vote for
Hunsman -- the only decent candidate in the 2012 field.
I have prayed for our leaders since the election like the First Presidency has
asked us to do. But the taste in my mouth after the pray has been hard to take
as I watch our beloved country go down the tubes not because of decisiveness but
because of unrighteousness. It is both the Democrats and the Republicans that
are to blame. The press does not help either. I have faith in my prayers except
for the part dealing with our leaders. It will take a few years but we will
begin to see what our mistakes have cost us.
Too bad the Dems took the word "God" out of their platform. I could take
this more seriously if all that hadn't happened. But believe me I've
been praying for this nation. I do believe GOD has a plan, but if we, as a
nation, don't return to His teachings, we will fall into destruction.
If Utah LDS Dems read a little bit of the writings of Ezra Taft Benson they
would no longer espouse the party of communist socialism and spreading the
wealth around. It was not so long ago that he was their prophet. Interesting
how quickly some can forget the inspired counsel they were given.
in regards to 79Ute (11.28 3:32 pm)...What about ones that went to
Miami of Ohio, Eastern Illinois, Baylor, USC, & Florida? Those
that went to Wisconsin, Texas A & M, Arizona, Okla St, & Auburn are
lost in DC 12:07 p.m. Nov. 28, 2012 "You cannot be pro-choice
WITHOUT favoring abortion."What about the people who will never
chose to have or be be affected by abortion?There will eventually be
consequences/reckoning for those who chose to abort. That, however, is between
individual X & their higher power. Not Ralph Reed, Sarah Palin, Sean
Hannity, organized religion, congress, SCOTUS, etc...
Bipartisonship usually means to a Democrat that Republicans lower their
standards so as to come to a consensus that lacks moral certitude, does not
solve the debt crisis, and that punishes small businesses. The Democrats have a
lot of rhetoric but no solutions other than disastrous ones that will ruin our
country. I will pray and fast for leaders that will stand firm against raising
taxes rather than lower spending, that affirms our allegiance ultimately to God
rather than push forward a secular agenda, and that supports a pro-growth agenda
for small businesses rather than a punishing redistribution of wealth that
creates a permanent under-class.
How about praying that both Democrats and Republicans will get serious about
solving the debt crisis? If it's not solved we will all be praying for
financial relief from our burdens.
@TruthseekerYour original point was: "What most women want is
for MEN and politicians to butt out of women's healthcare decisions." I
said that indeed, I don't want anything to do with women's healthcare.
Leave me out of it. I'm not sure what war has to do with women's
health (point #1) but in response to points #2 and #3, I don't care what
contraceptives are used for or what they cost! It isn't my business!
Remember? I want the same you want. And women. That is, I want to butt out of
women's healthcare decisions. The question is, will you let me?
@Cinci Man"When the coice is removed, just as is the case of rape and
incest, I am for choice, just as you are."Republican party
platform allows for no exceptions. Ryan supports no exceptions. Romney in a
debate and in an interview to Huckabee (Personhood amendment support) said no
exceptions. You are for limited choice, the party is not. @patriot"since the National Democrat party booed God during the
convention"No, they booed the party leadership for ignoring
their vote and just doing whatever they wanted when it was clearly at least too
close to call without a formal counting of hands/support, but that detail would
just get in the way of your talking point now wouldn't it?@truth"Obama was re-elected by large group of enormously illiterate
americans! "How'd Obama do in Alabama, Mississippi and
South Carolina?@Rockon"Tell Harry Reid to apologize for
lying about Romney's taxes. "Actually it came out a few
days before the election that Romney was using the LDS church as a tax shelter
and avoided large amounts of taxes that way (not charitable contributions but as
a quirky trust loophole that was later closed).
LDS Democrats in Utah, eh? Wow! Don't personally know any (ha ha).
I'm pro-choice. I believe that once you have made the choice, as in get
preggers, you live with your choice and have the kid, because the choice has
been made. Then you give the kid up for adoption.
re:DuckhunterAbortion is legal in the U.S. However, the Hyde
Amendment prohibits the use of federal funds for abortion services (except in
cases of rape, incest and life/health issues). However, states have the option
to fund abortion service or not. Most private insurers provide abortion
coverage. When the exchanges begin operating in 2014, some states will ban all
abortion coverage entirely for any plan selling on that state’s exchange.
Doing so is allowed by a state "opt-out" clause that is part of the
health care law. Beyond that, every state must offer at least one plan on its
exchange that doesn’t cover abortion. In addition, no private insurer will
be forced to cover abortion.(politifact)re:Killpack#1.
Why should anybody pay for wars/disease/education that they don't cause or
support? Answer that and you'll have the answer to your question. #2. Women need contraceptives for a variety of reasons, not just sexual
activity. #3. Contraceptives save money. Studies show that for
every dollar spent on prevention (contraceptives) it saves $2-$6. Texas cut $73
million from state family planning services, the increase in unplanned
pregnancies ended up costing $230 million.
The fact that LDS people even need their own caucus in the Utah Democratic Party
speaks volumes about how the values of the LDS Church and those of the
Democratic Party fit together (or don't).
I don't oppose prayer, but I do oppose what is being prayed for. Democrats
should return to their New Deal roots, and if the consequence is going over the
"fiscal cliff" so be it. Remember "Do what is right and let the
@truthseekerI like how you seem to think that women should have the
right to force men to help pay for their abortions, force private insurers to
pay for their abortions and birth control, but men shouldn't have any right
to refuse to do so.Hypocrisy they name is "truth"seeker,
feminst, and democrat.
Claudio,what problem do you have with me?If your comment
had nothing to do with abortion, why did you respond to my initial post, which
was about - abortion?you can maintain that 4+7=2,738,654, but that
does not make it so. But I do agree with you that MSNBC is mindless
I've been fasting and praying ever since the election that obama won't
stick it to us even more than he already has. I'll join in on this next one
with the exact same prayer as I've had for the last month.
All the Prayer and fasting isnt going to do any good. You guys re-elected the
man that will destroy America as Prophesied all we can do know is prpare for the
I find it a bit incredulous that they are calling on LDS to fast and pray on a
day they already fast and pray. If you are calling for a special
fast, shouldn't one make it on some other day, then the regularly scheduled
monthly fast? I participated in the Church's regular monthly
fast on 4 Nov and did a special fast on the 6th. (FYI, I wasn't aware of
any emails asking for a fast for the election until this read)
Lost,I don't watch MSNBC. In fact, I don't own a TV. I
have better things to do that watch mindless drivel. I still maintain that my
comment had nothing to do with abortion and I had no intention to include that
in my previous comment. I also must add that I never disputed the fact that
with choice comes consequences and that a part of making a choice is choosing to
accept that consequence. So tell me, what exactly IS the issue you
have with me?
When Romney was defeated despite a lot of fasting and prayer in some places,
could it have been God letting us all know that she is really a Democrat?Kind of reminds me of the story of the old Southern Baptist preacher
whose prayer was answered when an angel was sent to him from Heaven. The angel
said he was here to answer any question the minister might have. The preacher
asked, "What is God REALLY like?"The angel didn't quite
know how to answer that and finally told the old man to sit down for the answer.
Then the angel told him, "Well, for starters, She's Black."I kind of think God is pretty much apolitical.
@Truthseeker"What most women want is for MEN and politicians to
butt out of women's healthcare decisions."A woman's
healthcare decisions are none of my business! Absolutely! So why did Sandra
Fluke make it my business by saying that I have to pay for some woman's
birth control that I don't even know?!?! I am a lower class, middle aged
male. I have bills to pay that I can barely afford, let alone the taxes I pay to
a corrupt government so they can by some woman's birth control medicine. I
worry everyday about losing my minimum wage job because my employer might make
cuts to compensate for Obamacare which is soon to take effect. Now, when I go to
Denny's, I'll have to pay a 5% Obamacare surcharge. Believe me, you
don't have to tell me a woman's reproductive health is none of my
business. But please tell it to Sandra Fluke and Barack Obama, because they are
the ones involving me in something I have absolutely NO INTEREST in being
Fred,Let me ask you from which LDS pulpit you heard read a statement in
support of unrestricted, federally funded abortions?I am confused by
your statement that my comment is bashing someone just because they are a dem.
But I cannot in good conscience be united with a group that calls for
unrestricted abortion.Claudio,Nice distortion; learn that from
MSNBC? And of course your comment, while not specifically naming it, included
abortion. Nice attempt at obfuscation. With choice comes consequences. The
choice to engage in irresponsible sexual activity brings the risk of pregnancy.
Those who’ve made the choice need to bear the consequence. Anything else
is “sin a little and if so be we are guilty, God will beat us with a few
stripes, but we shall be saved at the last day”
I believe in fasting and praying. This week is fast Sunday and I will be fasting
and praying that President Obama will have a change of heart and become
bi-partisan, less divisive and more willing to compromise. I will pray that that
he will not try to bankrupt the country and destroy our common defense. I will
pray that he will reverse his executive order to undermine the 1st Amendment to
the Constitution (Freedom of Religion). Yes, I will be praying for him with all
my heart that he will begin to understand basic economics, foreign policy,
energy policy and tax policy. I will pray that he will look at the one party
systems in California, Illinois and Utah governments and see whether liberal or
conservative policies, whether bankruptcy or fiscal responsibility, better
promote the general welfare. I pray that his eyes may be opened and his ears
will hear. But then again, One Old Man, what do you think the chances are of my
prayers being answered? This begs the question: Is God a Democrat or is Obama
re:DougSWhat I said: "she never talks about herself or her own
needs,"She doesn't. Perhaps she doesn't currently
need contraceptives but thinks she might in the future. We don't know from
her statement if she is currently using contraceptives or has even ever had sex.
She could be celibate for all we know, but has seen the health consequences of
her women friends not having access to contraceptives and decided to speak out.
What most women want is for MEN and politicians to butt out of
women's healthcare decisions. Until and unless men's reproductive
systems become the same as women it is not their place to determine what women
should and should not have access to. I would recommend you take up the issue
of the double-standard of male promiscuity and explain why society accepts loose
morals from men and/or start a movement for celibacy among men.
re:peacemaker"just elected to be President of a God fearing
nation"Now is this the same nation that booed God during the
DNC??? That same party now own's both the White House and the Senate. Hmmm,
I wonder if God will offer His protection and prosperity to a nation led by
atheists?? What do ya think?
I like the idea of ending the divisiveness, just wondering if Harry Reid is
planning on joining the Utah Dems in their fast?
Truthseeker - First off, Fluke did use the word "we" in
reference to "our" expectations, as females enrolled at that particular
university. To imply that she only wanted contraception for other people, is
beyond disingenuous.Second: "Suppress the vote"? I'm
not aware of Democratic court-appointed poll-watchers being manhandled and
physically evicted from polling locations. But this happened to GOP
court-appointed poll-watchers in numerous precincts, particularly in
Philadelphia. Meanwhile, UN election observers were absolutely flabbergasted
that the US doesn't require any kind of voter identification to prevent
double-voting.I agree with RockOn. While LDS dems are fasting and
praying for "reconciliation", perhaps those who willfully originate and
perpetuate misrepresentations like yours can find a little time for repentance
"God" barely made it into the platform (with much visible and audible
disdain). And now they want prayers and fasting? Who would these prayers and
fastings be offered to? You know who could use prayers and fasting?
Harry Reid and his phobia for budgets or fiscal responsibility. But
we all know 99% of ALL politicians are corrupt in some fashion . . . out seeking
their "honest graft".
I totally agree with Counter Intelligence!! You are SPOT On!! I could not say
it any better. Go to 11:57 a.m. Nov. 28, 2012 to see his/her/my response.
“Bipartisanship and civility are Christian values so it makes sense for us
in a religious sense to be fasting for these values,”Oh,
really? Just how bipartisan will the Savior be when He rules and reigns for
1000 years?I can't see Him negotiating.Civility? Start
with Harry Reid admitting that he lied about his secret information about Romney
not paying taxes for 10 years. Democrats only talk about civility as a political
weapon but only when they think they can bludgeon conservatives with it.“to put aside our political ideologies and be more humble and look
for common-sense solutions based on the teachings of the gospel.”I am amazed by this comment considering that most elements of the Democrat
party are not compatible with the gospel. Common Sense Solutions?
Really?No country ever taxed itself into prosperity. Reagan tax cut
this nation into prosperity.You cannot create prosperity without creating
wealth. Government spending consumes wealth and Democrats think that massive
government spending will end the recession. it will make things worse.You cannot have bipartisanship or common sense solutions until Democrats
abandon Keynesian Economics.
Re:CounterIntellAre you referring to Sandra Fluke? I woulfd
recommend you actually read the statement Sandra Fluke made. Contrary to
Limbaugh’s lies, she never talks about herself or her own needs, and only
talks about other Georgetown students — one of whom is a 32-year-old gay
woman who lost an ovary and is facing early menopause due to the lack of birth
control coverage. She never even talks about sexual activity. Hey,
Republicans are all too happy to make contraceptives and abortion a political
issue. It is a health issue for women and when Republicans stop using it to
whip up their base and stop making ignorant statements then it will disappear
from politics. Chicago thug tactics? I believe it was the
Republicans who tried to suppress the vote. Make you can explain what you mean
by "Chicago thug tactics."
The LDS Church is very careful to stay out of politics. So does the Dems now
speak for the LDS Church? I think NOT. Please stay out of the religion area
and focus on government matters.
You want an end to divisiveness? Try apologizing for all the lies Democrats told
about Romney; all the false innuendos, slander and outrageous statements. Tell
Harry Reid to apologize for lying about Romney's taxes. Yes, I saw some
rotten ads by pro-Romney groups, but you, Dems, are the ones fasting and praying
about something you can do immediately. But, you won't because you'll
claim your opponents also lied which is pure hypocrisy. You don't want
prayer to gain peace, you want your opponents to change without you changing.
Try setting an example.
@patriot and A1994Lol. I too find it interesting and ironic that the
party that boos God one day decides to hold a day of prayer the next. Good for
them. Hopefully, for the sake of their own souls, the prayer is in earnest and
not just some show of religiousness because they happen to live in the most
religious state in the union.
Idablu,I said nothing about abortion. Absolutely nothing. Please send
your lecture to someone who will find it useful.TRUTH,Interesting that you talk about illiteracy. The word is "divine." I
have no idea what "devine" is.
@CounterIntelligence.Well said! You are spot on! In light of the campaign
we just saw coming from the left, a publicity stunt is exactly what this appears
to be.@ClaudioYou seem to forget that when a woman chooses to
have an abortion, especially when it is out of convenience, that choice robs the
baby's agency for life. When you say you are Pro-Choice, you are saying
that a mother's right to choose termination of a pregnancy supersedes a
childs right to live. Agency is not so much about freedom to make whatever
choice you want as it is about ACCOUNTABILITY for your choices.
In the spirit of literacy, is "devine" common sense that which was
dispensed by cowboy actor Andy Devine?
@A ScientistDo you assume that nobody else reads but you? Who are
you trying to fool about the Founding Fathers and religion? Most of them were
deeply spiritual men who believed the hand of God guided their affairs.
It's in their writings. They didn't necessarily think much of
organized religions at the time, but then, neither did Joseph Smith. I applaud the LDS Dems for calling for prayer and fasting. I hope they
don't catch the wrath of the rest of their party who wanted to remove God
from the platform.
What a pathetic bunch!!Responding with hate to an invitation to pray
and fast together for the nation. Unbelievable!!@ TRUTHFunny
comment! The most educated people in the United States are in so called
one old manOgden, UT"But after all the fasting and
praying that Romney would win the election, didn't God already tell us He
is a Democrat"?One Old Man: Instead of God being a Democrat,
perhaps He is permitting tribulation to "take its course"!
Obama was re-elected by large group of enormously illiterate americans! Fast
and pray that this group receive some devine common sense.....before we elect
another God-Hating POTUS~!
This is exactly what this country needs, more fasting and prayer. Hopefully
hearts can be softened, and we can be less divisive as a people.What
a wonderful contrast to the calls for secession.
Could we include the 49ers winning the Super Bowl with Smith at QB in the
fasting and prayer? I believe that God wants a U alum to hoist the
Lombardi trophy more than He wants to see a Tennessee or Michigan QB on the
Well the Utah Democrat party better have a sit down talk with the National
Democrat party regarding the offering of prayer since the National Democrat
party booed God during the convention - wanting God to be left out of the party
platform. Maybe our good friend Harry Reid can convince the national democrat
party to stop being atheistic? Maybe the Utah Dems can pray for brother Harry as
well as his boss that they might turn to God instead of the state for resolution
to their problems? One thing we learn from scripture however is that a nation
that rejects God as America is doing is not endowed with His promised blessings
of protection and prosperity any longer. Recall the last battle between the
Nephites and Lamanites in the Book Of Mormon where the prophet Mormon laments
the sad fact that his people had "rejected that Jesus who stood with open
arms to receive them" and were now left on their own to face complete
destruction at the hands of their enemies. America has sadly chosen NOT to be
one nation under God anymore. Choices have consequences. Prayer only works where
faith is also present.
I fast and pray that all Democrats will see the light about Gay marriage and
@airnautThe Republicans are not against abortion. They are Pro Choice;
just earlier than you would require people to choose. When the coice is
removed, just as is the case of rape and incest, I am for choice, just as you
are. If the choice is made to take the risk of pregnancy, then most republicans
are in favor of honoring that choice because now another life is involved who
may not agreed with the second thoughts of the parents. I know a man who for 30
years got drunk every Saturday and Sunday night, but said he never intended to
get drunk. He learned after a near fatal accident while drunk, that he can make
an early choice and not get drunk. People can make the same choice when it
comes to pregnancy, can they not? Don't forget the child's lack of
choice! That is what the Republican platform advocates.
More like a 4 year fast
Lost in DC,So I can't be in favor of agency without being in
favor of sin? That's exactly what you just implied. And it is absolutely
Difficult to believe That so many have not taken the time or else just
don't care about the character and background of the man who was just
elected to be President of a God fearing nation. We should pray that our
standards will be maintained and beliefs will not falter in these difficult
times. Past performance is the best indicator of future behavior.
Lost in DC,I thought for a minute there I was going to agree with
you, then you had to question the intentions of the democrats. Have you ever
thought there is more that unites us, than divides us? Every year I hear read
from the pulpit in my local LDS ward a statement from the First Presidency
saying they do not support one party, and there are good things and good people
in all parties, and yet so many Mormons come on hear and bash people simply
because they are democrats. I think maybe the democratic members of the church
are taking what the First Presidency said after the election to heart, and maybe
it is time for republican members of the church to do the same.We
are not Republicans or Democrats we are Americans
I think it would be great if Democrats and Republicans, among others, would get
together and find common ground on legilsation that would, for example, seek to
compare proposed legislation to the spirit and letter of the Ten Commandments.
That is something, supposedly, that politicians of most stamps could be expected
to agree on, given there will always be a few atheists, who would prefer to sit
such discussions out.For example:Thou shalt not kill:
Democrats and Republicans putting an end to aggressive wars, declared and
undeclared, usually enthusiastically endorsed by congressmen of either party.
Abortion is another form of murder that should be included as anathema to
religious politicians of almost any faith.Thou shalt not steal:
let's agree to put an end to coercive taxation based on property, income
etc. Limiting the scope of government would do it; we could tax luxuries alone:
no one is compelled to buy luxuries.Maybe well find we have more in
common, when we really think about it, than we thought, or we would be forced to
face our past incinsistencies and hypocrisies, and live accordig to our
one old man-That must be why he left congress divided!
How about praying that obama unseals all his school records, provides a
bonafide, real birth certificate, a real selective service card, a real social
security number from Hawaii, and then declares himself ineligible to be
president per The Constitution? But then again the socialist/democrat party will
never be that transparent. Praying and fasting for what? Obviously not for the
truth. It's a waste of a prayer.
airnaut,been practicing your rationalizations and distortions long?
You cannot be pro-choice WITHOUT favoring abortion.The republican
platform states that "the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to
life which cannot be infringed." It opposes using public revenues to promote
or perform abortion or to fund organizations that perform or advocate abortions.
It says the party will not fund or subsidize health care that includes abortion
coverage. and the dem platform of no restrictions whatsoever for
abortions is in line with LDS policy? In which alternate reality do you
live?tell me, please, what the following words mean? I'm not
familiar with them:yopolitcalRepbulicancicumstancesdimetrically offical
I am not LDS but I am supportive of LDS Democrats wishing to fast and pray
regarding the end of divisiveness:However after running an election
based upon race, gender and class warfare and using Chicago thug tactics as well
as the honoring of a college co-ed who spent thousands of dollops on extra
tuition (as opposed to tens of dollars on her own contraception) merely to
attend a faith based university so that she could feign pass/aggressive
victimhood and force those morally opposed to HER choice to pay for HER choice,
regardless of THEIR choice; making a mockery of religious freedom and the entire
concept of CHOICEI would seem that prayer and fasting would be
worthless without an uncomplaining change in behavior. Until I see that happen;
it is easy to merely discount this as little more than another manipulative
Interesting! As an observer from afar I'm curious how this will go.
I'm in!FYI - StraitpathPROVO, UT8:52 a.m. Nov. 28,
2012Democrat are not FOR abortion.They are simply Pro-Choice
as in, between a woman and her Doctor, as in the Government (and
anyone else) Keep out.If yo have a problem with LDS beliefs,
abortion, and politcal platforms -- The Repbulican platform of no
abortions, ever, not for any cicumstances is dimetrically opposed and 180
degrees against offical LDS policy which states -- ...that in some
rare cases, that abortion may be considered an valid option in the case of rape,
incest, Health of the Woman or Viability of the fetus --- but the ultimate
CHOICE is to remain with the Woman. Along with the help of her Doctor, Family,
Clergy and prayer….not the Government, and certainly not a Political
Praying is good. I am a firm believer in prayer. The question is, what are they
going to do afterwards? Are they going to have one day of prayer, so everyone
will know how holy they are, and then go do a bunch of shenanigans while the
people sit back and think everything is on the up and up because our mostly
corrupt politicians had a day of prayer? Come on.
A good first step in healing the rift in the political spectrum, from an LDS
perspective, would be to pray for the removal of the abortion plank in the
Democrat Party platform. By removing this plank, there might be some hope of
Can you imagine a group of people, who affiliate themselves with a particular
religious belief, as well as holding particular political views, having the
unmitigated gall of calling for religious activity in an attempt to resolve the
divisiveness that permeates our society?? It's downright heretical.
Scientist,please refrain from imposing your own beliefs and ideas on the
founders.Washington was opposed to the idea of political parties,
which is contrary to your statement.the 1st amendment proscribes the
government from any laws, for or against, concerning the establishment of
religion. since your statement requires rules forbidding religion except in
certain places, your statement is contrary to the founders' intent.fast and pray for an end to divisiveness, but make sure the timing is
such that it cannot be seen as helping the other side. I guess no one else sees
the hypocrisy in this?It also makes you wonder if they would have
issued the same call had their candiate lost following his campaign of
divisivenes and distortion?
Bi-partisianship and compromise would produce more needed results in this
As the LDS Church so statedAfter a long campaign, this is now a time
for Americans to come together. It is a long tradition among Latter-day Saints
to pray for our national leaders in our personal prayers and in our
congregations. We invite Americans everywhere, whatever their political
persuasion, to pray for the President, for his administration and the new
Congress as they lead us through difficult and turbulent times. May our national
leaders reflect the best in wisdom and judgment as they fulfill the great trust
afforded to them by the American people. We also commend Governor
Romney for engaging at the highest level of our democratic process, which, by
its nature, demands so much of those who offer themselves for public service. We
wish him and his family every success in their future endeavors.In
Facebook see Latter Day Saints For Civility.
It is contrary to the spirit of the Founders for a political party to call for
religious activity of any kind.Keep religion OUT of politics and the
world will be MUCH better off!Let the Churches call for days of
fasting and prayer if they want, but keep it out of political parties while
keeping religions out of politics!
The intent is very sweet. Christian values aside; since they are really
"people" values. "human" values. Amirite?
Wonderful! I hope people will see this and understand the spirit with which it
is intended.I for one will be participating.