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State's Hispanic students show a graduation rate of just 57 percent

Published: Tuesday, Nov. 27 2012 3:50 p.m. MST

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Bee Careful
Kaysville, UT

I would like to know what changes the federal government has mandated in measuring graduation rates? Seems pretty straight forward to me, but the devil is in the details. How could a state with historically high rates of graduation suddenly drop so drastically? Sorry. Doesn't pass the smell test.

Mendel
Iowa City, IA

Good work Iowa! #1 in something important.

Seek to understand
Sandy, UT

For many years Utah has used metrics that inflated their graduation rates. We are now required to use the same metrics as every other state. So these numbers, while you may not agree with how they derive them, are valid when used to compare our state with other states.

As in most things, a bit more information would be very helpful. For example, if they would publish the overall graduation rate, and then a few more numbers to give us perspective, it would be more helpful. Such as the percentage of students who left high school so they could go right to college (this is a sizable group of kids in Utah - homeschool types who take a few high school classes but enter college early and don't graduate), and kids who move to the U.S. in high school but can't finish with the language challenge, and the percentage of students in that class where were special education students.

David
Centerville, UT

Education has suffered for years in Utah. Education funding has been slowed or diverted by the legislature so that there are sufficient funds to pay for other things like roads.

I feel this must change. We cannot continue to enjoy a strong local economy if we don't make education a priority. We must pay sufficient to attract and keep great teachers. We must employ those teaching techniques that are working to make our kids and students competitive in the world. Our children deserve a great education so that they have opportunities.

I fear we have undercut our children in this state. Over time we are seeing test scores and graduation rates dropping. This is not a good trend. Our state leaders have the responsibility to act in such a way that this trend reverses.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Methinks it's about time that we finally begin to properly fund education in this state.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Yes, but were #1 in the lowest spend per pupil!!

JWB
Kaysville, UT

It was interesting to see that the State Office of Education person over that area didn't realize that was happening and they would see what caused that.

Obama's administration doesn't want to have a crisis go by without an advantage for him. He is using that with the Fiscal Cliff crisis. If it was such a problem for us, why didn't he do something in his campaigning time to discuss it? The day he got elected he came up with that tactic.

Utah does spend a lot of it's budget for schooling and education. However, it gives Charter schools a big chunk of that. Are the private schools counting toward the graduation rate?

The U.S. Department of Education is trying to justify its existance after this last election when it could have been on the chopping block from some sectors.

Just because they come up with numbers doesn't mean they are valid numbers. This administration hasn't had a budget for 4 years. Need to get their house in order. Utah is not on their high list, anyway, as No Child Left Behind, is not a perfect process. UOE needs to validate numbers.

David
Centerville, UT

JWB, your comments seem to point towards the Obama administration as being responsible for the high school graduation rate in Utah. The federal government doesn't has nearly the affect upon Utah's education system and methods as does the Utah legislature and governor, and the local school boards and districts. This is directly and clearly an issue for the State of Utah to work on. I would discourage anyone from believing the federal government should come into our state to improve graduation rates. Keep the feds out of this issue!

worf
Mcallen, TX

So much wasted funding. Education was about teaching, and learning. Now it's about comparing, and accountability.

Bunch of rubbish.-----Education has become a scam.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The State of Utah has to comply with national standards. The State is at fault as the Legislature and Governor, this Governor, has ensured the funding gets dished out of the Public School Districts for other types of schooling. The Office of Education is the state function and they are part of this problem of not knowing.

The Department of Education is beyond it's ability to ensure what the States should do for education. The State of Utah spends about 2/3's of it's budget on education. That is a lot of money. That is why, when the Governor takes $13M from funds and gives it to an ICORE bidder that is money that could have been used in Utah, not Colorado. However, his $85,000 contribution was a help for his election in 2010.

The Governor states all the time how well off Utah's economy is. Well, if he spent money for education and pushed education as much as land development in his Utah County with freeways and his connection with Wadsworth, then we might have a higher graduation rate.

We live in a protected bubble.

Obama's administration is still part of this problem as the Bush Administration.

worf
Mcallen, TX

JWB,

The State of Utah spends about 2/3's of it's budget on education. More money for education, then we might have a higher graduation rate?

How much more money is needed for education? The billions spent on the head start program hasn't lowered poverty. It increased. If large amounts of money is needed for graduation rates, we'd have every body graduating. We're fools for following this scam.

Managed frugally, we could easily improve education with half the funding. Just got to get out of the box.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

What typically happened statistically wise is that say a young person started at School X. He struggles and goes to the district's alternative School Y. He ends up not graduating. School X is off the hook because his last school of record was School Y. That way most traditional high schools in Utah avoided "low" graduation rates. The way to measure this is actually more accurate today. When it says 57% of Hispanic students will graduate, that's more of an accurate picture of what is happening...

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

"How could a state with historically high rates of graduation suddenly drop so drastically?"

How could a state's artificial inflation of graduation rates suddenly drop so drastically? By applying the same metrics as anyone else.

You'd be shocked (or maybe not) at how many people turn down jobs in Utah because they'd have to send their kids to Utah schools.

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