@Floyd JohnsonThe surge in missionaries is primarily among women and
there's 3 years of them whose first eligible mission year is this upcoming
year as opposed to 2 years among the men, if anything the incoming class would
shift more towards men.
@ Cinci Man 1:36 p.m. Nov. 27"...So I wouldn't be so naive
as to say that 99% were good. It was more like 5% were great, 75% were
acceptable, and 20%, I had no use for. And 80% of principals were
gutless..." re: JayTee 9:16 p.m. Nov. 27**If you
take a close look, I think you'll have to conclude with me that our
"education" systems are designed more to benefit the "educators"
than to address the needs of the students... Go check the stats on any district,
and see how many six-figure people are in the "administration,...
Meanwhile, the teachers carry the load,...**Both posts have nailed
it IMO. My parents were teachers and their biggest complaints were parents who
expected nothing more than schools to babysit & entertain their kids, inept
paper shuffling bureaucrats at the district office, & of course the state
legislature for the obvious reason.
If you take a close look, I think you'll have to conclude with me that our
"education" systems are designed more to benefit the "educators"
than to address the needs of the students. Go check the stats on any district,
and see how many six-figure people are in the "administration," and ask
yourself what would happen if they were all fired tomorrow. They would mostly
leave the same kind of void that you leave when you pull your hand out of a
bucket of water. Meanwhile, the teachers carry the load, do the work, and face
the students daily--usually in an environment where there's no discipline,
very little structure, and precious little required of the students other than
having them warm a chair. We just patty-cake our way through the years, and
keep playing like the emperor has plenty of nice clothes on his royal back. It
would be comical if it weren't so tragic and expensive.
@Shimlau,Read the comment posted at 7:38 by Cinci Man. It seems that
there is a certain type of person that uses every education-themed article as a
chance to grind an ax against public school teachers. I was merely responding to
It would be easy to make some cynical comments about why the university of Utah
is doing this but I think the better approach here is to simply tell them good
job. Whatever all of their reasons may be ultimately this benefits students so
there is no need to analyze it any further.
The rock,I think you are miss informed. Just because a Public institution
such as the U of U or UW for that matter accepts many different points of view
and theologies, doesn't make it "anti" any of them. As far as
forcing the youngg woman to swear, she was the one that was asking for the part
in the play. If she is uncomfortable with the material, then don't do the
play. Seems simple enough.
I find it interesting that the U didn't make this change when they had
previous LDS presidents, yet they do so in very short order w/ this non-LDS
School President. Good for Pres. Pershing and the other school administrators
for making this quick action. He almost converted me to be a Ute! Seriously,
though, I love the swift action taken by the U.
LValfreCHICAGO, IL@The Rock"I recall a young lady
who was told that she had to take the name of the Lord in vain in a drama class.
""If she's acting and that's the script ...
I'm sure the lord understands just fine. Stop guilting yourself it's
oppressive"Of course he does. Hey, it's in the script that
I had to smoke. It's in the script that I had a nude scene. It's in
the script...Yeah, right. Stop rationalizing yourself
Newspaper Reader,Explain to me what is good about a teacher who kept no
grades and walked off the job when asked for them at the end of a semester.
Explain why my son couldn't play the Senior Drum Line instruments when he
was a senior, so that a college kid/teacher's aide could try something new
and failed miserably. Explain to me why, when a son was ranked #2 in math
wasn't awarded his deserved scholarship from the school so that the math
head could give his award to a less deserving kid who was more popular with him.
Explain to me why a star basketball player is allowed to stay on the team when
rules are broken continually and had no respect for authority then and now.
Explain to me why a principal ignored 30 sets of parents who complained about a
teacher, and both teacher and principal were eventually terminated. Explain to
me why Forest Gump was shown to a history class. I could write volumes on this
subject. I'm listening to you now. Tell me how these focused on my
Newspaper Reader,I raised 4 kids and the very best persons in my
kids' life were the good teachers they had. But almost every child, every
year, had at least one teacher who was a teacher because they couldn't get
any other job. So I wouldn't be so naive as to say that 99% were good. It
was more like 5% were great, 75% were acceptable, and 20%, I had no use for.
And 80% of principals were gutless wonders who were only interested in
supporting the stupid/bad teachers and taking advantage of great teachers, ONLY
to benefit their school, ranking, and image in the community. Every High School
principal my 4 kids had were eventually fired by the district. Those are facts.
I'll continue with more.
Cinci Man, You're dead wrong. Almost all teachers have their
students' success as their number one priority. Don't let a rotten few
make you miss the mark.
It will be interesting to see the dynamic of the predominantly female freshman
class at universities in Utah when the new rule comes into effect.
@The Rock"I recall a young lady who was told that she had to
take the name of the Lord in vain in a drama class. "If
she's acting and that's the script ... I'm sure the lord
understands just fine. Stop guilting yourself it's oppressive.
I find this interesting. Over the years I have read a number of articles about
the UofU that reflected hostility toward religion in general and the LDS faith
in particular. I recall a young lady who was told that she had to take the name
of the Lord in vain in a drama class. The professor should have been
fired.Now they rush to accommodate when it benefits them.
In addition to the obvious benefit to missionary service, this policy will be a
great benefit to parents and highschool grads of lesser means, in that they can
defer their education to work and save money, but have admittance after time
too. This is a real boon for the community, in that it allows our qualified
hardworking high school students to prepare for the steep cost of a professional
Really??? What brought that on, how did it tie into the article. I read it
twice and didn't see any relevance. I don't disagree, but where is
I wish some parents could get it through their thick skulls that 99 percent of
all public school teachers are focused on student success. Too often, however,
the students aren't focused on that same goal. But, of course, today
it's always the teachers' fault if a child in unmotivated and fails to
"Parker said the new process is focused on student success." What a
novel idea. I wish public schools, especially high schools, would get this
through the very thick skulls of teachers and administrators. I'm so glad
my kids are well out of school.
That seems like a reasonable response to the announcement. I think that our
local universities, BYU excepted, are in for a bit of a rough go over the next
two years. The impact of the missionary age announcement is expected to
decrease enrollments by 5% to 8%. As most costs in higher education are tied to
labor costs, making up that differential for two years will be difficult. One
cannot cut tenured faculty very easily nor would administrators want to do so
when those same faculty members will be in high demand two years hence.Good luck to those who seek to educate our higher education population while
dealing with this challenge.
A good move, benefiting prospective missionaries as well as all students looking
to get some real world adult experience before starting college. I like the idea
of kids having a chance to have some real independence and grow up a bit more
before continuing their education.