Comments about ‘Enrollment growth, budget errors create funding questions for Utah schools’

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Published: Sunday, Nov. 25 2012 5:39 p.m. MST

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ManInTheMiddle
SANDY, UT

"It sounds so easy, yet there are so many variables." I agree that firing teachers is difficult. Very difficult. Firing people is my least favorite part of owning my business. BUT IT MUST GET DONE. Try firing a single mother in this economy for performance that is average. It's HARD!! - if I want to be fair to her co-workers it must be done - if I'm willing to risk my capital in this business it must get done.

The union and administrators can figure it out. Perhaps some schools choose to let the principal decide, others may want a panel made up of the principal, a teacher rep, and a union rep. It doesn't matter to me. What matters is that it gets done. We should give them the 10% mandate and tell principals they are all fired if it's not accomplished and tell the union they won't get another contract until it's done.

You can read above that I consent to doubling my property taxes to pay teachers more. It is absurd that any reasonable person would expect that we can attract intelligent/talented people to teach our kids for $30,000/year.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

In the right world, people who have children usually pay into the tax system. Mostly those having children in Utah are not paying into the tax system, they are abusing it. Children are the way to getting more entitlements. You don't have to pay taxes when you are on a wealth of entitlements. Maybe Utah better beware that a love of low wages and importation of workers is not the right way Utah should conduct business.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Danaslc-
As an outsider, I too have witnessed the right wing, entitlement society in Utah. Have large families, pay little to no taxes, complain about the quality of education and the attitude of the teachers and the union. Public eduction will probably never be better in Utah because of declining revenue and the reluctance of people to pay for what they use.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

While i agree that we should be frugal with taxpayer resources - Those who want to completely strangle our schools with inadequate funding fail to understand 2 key facts:

- Utah schools are not that great. We moved from back East into some of the best public schools in Utah, and I can tell you from a direct comparison, that Utah schools are not even close to there more professional counterparts in the Midwest and East. Key problems in Utah schools include the revolving door of young, inexperienced teachers who have no clue how to maintain order while installing a passion for learning, and far too many students in most of our classrooms and schools.
- Utah school data, when reported, is not adjusted for demographic cohorts. While we come out BARELY above average, we should be doing much better given our demographic profile. When adjusted for income, two parent families, and parent education levels, we are BELOW average.

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

Utah public education is primarily funded by corporate and individual income taxes which are not paid by illegal immigrants in Utah. Yes some funding comes from local property taxes which are paid by landlords that rent to them, but this amount is very small. However, the education of the children of illegal parents costs Utah taxpayers between $250 and $300 million per year. In addition the fertility rate of illegal immigrant women is even higher than LDS and Catholic women.

If an enforceable E-Verify law were instituted in Utah most illegal parents and their families would leave the state, or at least not come here in the first place, allowing Utah taxpayer over time to substantially increase funding for Utah children. Illegal labor is a direct subsidy, and in the case of Utah employers, an entitlement, funded by taxpayers.

U.S. Judicial Law requires the state to educate all children whether the parents are legal or not, and this is a good thing. However, if illegal parents are not in Utah these costs would be reduced. Otherwise states have no say on this issue.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Brer Rabitt,

While I agree with you about the cost of educating those here illegally, the reality is a typical Utah family with four children isn't paying anything to educate their children either. So lets implement your suggestion and let's have Utah families share in the cost of educating their children and that would solve our education funding problem.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Carman, the fact that you think our classrooms in UT have too few students erases all of your credibility. Classrooms with 40+ kids in them are not classified in anyone's book as "too few."

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