Wright State? Really??? How can one say that there has been improvement when
you play a bunch of high school teams?Can't wait for the the real
season to start.Chris B. Mark it down. Utah will finish the season
with 4 conference wins. Welcome to the PAC 10.2.
JohnInSLC"Scheduling down" doesn't even begin to
describe the depth to which the Utes had to sink in order to give their fans the
false impression that the Runnin' Utes were actually
"improving".#336 in SOS; rated a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10 by
ESPNBookended by a D-III school (enrollment: 500) and an NAIA school
(enrollment: 1000)?By comparison, they make Idaho and New Mexico
State look like college football elites, and unfortunately for U, that's
not an exaggeration.
TSA:The difference is: Utah and its basketball fans admit it
when they schedule down, but BYU and its football fans don't. Instead, they
spin a dizzying array of conflicting explanations ("We scheduled tough AND
bad teams well in advance, but were forced to do it late" Huh?) that leave
us wondering if they sustained head injuries while jumping off the Riley Nelson
TheSportsAuthority, you're telling ME about reading comprehension? I
don't know how many times I have to ask the question, because I'm not
claiming to be the BYU authority and changing my handle to Cosmo. What I was
saying was that handfuls of Y fans claimed that the move to independence was
carefully thought out and planned years ahead of its announcement. That would
mean schedule negotiations with schools, not just creative t-shirt and billboard
planning. But then, when their schedule for the first two years of it gets
brought up, 3 of you in this thread alone have cried now, "THEY DIDN'T
HAVE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A BETTER SCHEDULE!!" which indicates either bad
planning or that they didn't want to play tough teams. I'm not
determining which one that is, just saying it doesn't work to have it both
ways!The Utes basketball schedule is what it is, you're beating
a dead horse, and I feel sorry for you that it obviously frustrates you so much
not being able to enjoy seeing Utah get beat up by good teams while they're
regaining their footing.
StGtoSLCTwo words: reading comprehensionRegardless of
how much planning BYU did for its move to Independence, it was impossible to
complete a 12-game schedule BEFORE their move to Independence was announced.
Since few teams have openings in their schedules only a year or two out, BYU was
forced to schedule whoever was available to fill in their schedules for 2011 and
2012. With Fresno State and Nevada bolting to the MWC, it meant that the
remaining schools in the WAC had openings in their schedule available.As has been clearly demonstrated by BYU's schedules starting in 2013, BYU
had no intention of scheduling weak opponents in 2011 and 2012 just to assure
themselves of guaranteed wins, unlike Utah, who is intentionally scheduling Big
Sky opponents in football (remember the Utes dropped Utah State to schedule
Montana State), and in basketball, even Hill and Coach k admitted that they
intentionally scheduled an entire pre-season of the worst teams they could find
to give the Utes a chance to get off to a "good start".
Snack PAC, convenient to come into the conversation with completely irrelevant
commentary, so let me fill you in, if you can't tell what the two or three
prior comments were about:The neverending drama continued of Y fans
knocking Utah's bball schedule while U fans knocked BYU's football
schedule, which was defended by Swoop as "necessary" because they had to
throw together on short notice a lineup of terrible teams, but in the same
breath that BYU had planned independence for years, but that losing two
scheduled teams (Nevada, who was good but not great, and Fresno, who was still
terrible then, but surprisingly semi-decent now) forced them to schedule a
lineup of teams like New Mexico State (x2), Idaho (x2), Idaho State, San Jose
State (x2, again, a terrible team turned decent this year), UCF (looked to be
decent when scheduled, but turned out to be a dud), Hawaii (x2, a traditional
rival, but bad, bad team at this point), and Weber State.So I
realize that BYU played some good teams, but they played a greater number of
very bad teams, so which was it? Intentionally scheduling bad teams, or lack of
StGtoSLCBYU's schedule included#1 Notre Dame#15 Oregon State#20 Boise State#24 Utah State#25 San Jose
StateAlong with Georgia Tech, a team that could be playing in the
Orange Bowl this season.Of course, BYU also scheduled a couple of
PAC 12 bottom dwellers, but sometimes you have to take a chance that the teams
you schedule will actually be good come game time.How many BCS Top
25 teams did Utah play this season? (Hint: #15 OSU, #16 UCLA, #24
Utah State)Enjoy the couch potato bowl!
Ohhhhh, now I got it, so they only PLANNED well in advance to have 6 or 7 games
against some of the worst teams in the nation over the last two years instead of
the 10 or so that they had. That makes it so much better, thanks for the
StGtoSLCBYU's advanced planning to Independence was evident in
the multi-million dollar state of the art HD television station, the near
simultaneous announcement of the 8-year contract with ESPN, and the proposed
scheduling agreement with the WAC that was all but a done deal before Craig
Thompson caught word of it and scuttled the deal by immediately inviting Utah
State, Fresno State, and Nevada to join the MWC.After Fresno State
and Nevada bolted to the MWC, BYU had to scramble to formulate a backup plan to
fill their schedule for 2011 and 2012. Even a naysayer should be able to figure
out that you can't actually schedule games until the decision to make the
move to Independence is announced.
Excited that we won all three games of the tournament. That was a good sign.
Now, I am interested to see how we do on the road this week. Everything abotu
this team will be baby steps. Keep going strong guys!
Duckhunter, you walked into this one by saying "I don't even think
cautious optimism is appropriate in this case. The teams Utah is playing are
absolutely awful. Their one loss, and who it was to, says far more about them
than their 4 "wins". Yes, kind of like BYU football, and their 4 wins
against Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Other than those four
easy wins, BYU won three other games (Washington State, Utah State and Georgia
Tech). Those were decent wins, but BYU was 3-5 outside the four weak opponents.
Now, I agree with you about my Utes in basketball this season, but I
am still glad the Utes didn't lose to those patsies as they did last year.
It's baby steps for Utah basketball right now.
"BYU was forced to schedule those bottom dwelling WAC teams on short notice
just to fill it's schedules for 2011 and 2012; unlike the Utes in
basketball who could have scheduled a much tougher schedule, but instead chose
to play one of the most pathetically weak schedules in the country."Swoop, not to continue to harp on something so pointless as schedule
smack talk, but what I was told by many Y fans was that the move to independence
had been planned for and expected by Y "insiders" for several years, not
just as a knee jerk reflex to the U's conference change. So if we are to
believe those Y faithful, then those scenarios are quite similar. However, if we
are to believe those like you, such a faithful Y fan that you parodied the
U's mascot as your handle, then there was no prior planning in it. See the
Too early to tell about this team. The true test will come during PAC-12 play.
One thing for sure that even BYU fans will agree on is that the talent on this
team has improved. Go UTES!!
Dave S"If you want to talk Sagarain rankings please note Wright
State is ranked one spot higher than Cal St. Northridge which is a team that BYU
trailed by 1 with 3:00 left in the game while the Utes handled Wright St. quite
easily."Nice try; too bad reality doesn't match your
fantasy:Utah 66 Wright St 54 (+12)BYU 87 CS Northridge 75
(+12)Unfortunately, U conveniently chose to ignore this little
embarrassment#259 Sac St 74 Utah 71-------ImaCaManThe vast difference between football and basketball
scheduling is football games are scheduled years in advance, so BYU was forced
to schedule those bottom dwelling WAC teams on short notice just to fill
it's schedules for 2011 and 2012; unlike the Utes in basketball who could
have scheduled a much tougher schedule, but instead chose to play one of the
most pathetically weak schedules in the country.Sagarin ranks
Utah's SOS at #336
It's nice to see Loveridge have a good game. He has a bright future and
the fact that Utah is rebuilding means he starts as a freshmen. He may not have
been able to do that on too many other teams. Even though the opponent
isn't very good, he is making a good progress in the transition from high
school to the NCAA.I agree that it is too early to tell too much
about this team, but I am encouraged from all the new players. I believe the
talent level is higher than it was last year.I think the strength of
schedule argument is played out. The Utah coaching staff has come out and said
they have scheduled teams they should be able to easily beat. They aren't
claiming anything different, so I don't know why this still comes up on
every article. Their conference schedule will make up for all of these easy
early victories soon enough.This weeks road games will be
interesting to see as well.Go Utes!
Re: Truth MachineIf you want to talk Sagarain rankings please note
Wright State is ranked one spot higher than Cal St. Northridge which is a team
that BYU trailed by 1 with 3:00 left in the game while the Utes handled Wright
St. quite easily. Hmmmm makes you think BYU's ranking will be dropping
like a rock from 55 doesn't it? You keep reading those Sagarin
rankings and we'll keep on winning games ok!!
@ truth machineHey, it works for BYU football.
Coach small k's plan is working; play the weakest pre-season schedule
possible, pile up a bunch of meaningless wins, and fool the fans into thinking
that the Utes have actually "improved".Unfortunately, even
that plan may not be completely fool proof since some of those scheduled gimmies
may actually turn out to be pretty good.Sagarin:#189
Utah (and climbing) - SOS #336#172 CS Northridge and #55 BYU looming
I don't even think cautious optimism is appropriate in this case. The teams
utah is playing are absolutely awful. Their one loss, and who it was to, says
far more about them than their 4 "wins".
Saint George,It was fun to see them play. There are definite rough spots,
but years ahead of last year. Loveridge broke out offensively finally, but his
play without the ball has consistently been good. It's still a process!
What is a wright state? You can't call it improvement when u play
sub-Patsy's. The PAC will eat u up just like they did in football . Or
I think my favorite part of the game was when Utah was struggling to hit any
shots early, and Washburn was headed to the table to check in for Bachynski,
then Dallin nailed a 3-pointer, and coach just smiled and waved at Wash to come
sit back down. The upgrade in talent obviously has Coach K in a much easier
position, not requiring perfect game plans and by the letter execution to even
have a chance at a win. Even though the team isn't great and the visiting
teams are bad, this is a much more fun team to watch than last year.
Interesting comments from the coach...He is right that there are
lots of players in the mix each game...good reason to be playing middle of the
road teams. If they keep progressing they may be an Interesting team by the end
of the season.I heard good things about this coach while at Montana.
Not suggesting we are giant killers but find the progress
interesting. Lots of people involved and different prole risk g to the top...
Gotta love the improvement in this year's team vs. last year. The talent
and skill level is much higher with this team and I love the direction Coach K
is leading them.