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Published: Saturday, Nov. 24 2012 9:08 p.m. MST

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Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

"Do you even understand how the BCS rankings work?"

It's quite obvious that you don't!

But, since LonestarRunner has already given a detailed and accurate explanation of how the BCS rankings work, I won't bother repeating what's already been posted.

cedarcityute
cedar city, UT

Is that really all people can obsess over is the couch and potato chips? Apparently since all the twinkies are gone that's all they have left. ha ha! It's fun to see all of the obsessive byu fans that keep coming in here over and over and over. Obsess much? Apparently you aren't that excited about your bowl game if you keep obsessing over the Utes which unfortunately don't get to go to one. If I were you I'd be more focused on my bowl game and not on a team that beat mine way back, when was it, September? Like I said, obsess much? No worries, they still have twinkies on ebay, hurry, get some for $500 a package, BYU fans!!!

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Spokane Ute

I hate to dampen your money lovefest, but here's a little dose of reality.

First, unless you're getting a share of that money, or at least cheaper game tickets or concessions or tuition, more money for Utah's athletic programs is really meaningless to you personally.

Second, unless the Utes plan on wasting that mone on new uni's every week, the ONLY thing more money will do for Utah is help Utah build better athletic facilities and fund more athletic scholarships for non-revenue sports (like men's volleyball).

As far as building better athletic facilities, it'll take you years just to match the facilities BYU already has, and the Utes have no chance of ever matching the facilities at USC, UCLA, California, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arizona State, and Arizona.

Basically, you're trying to keep pace with Oregon State, and trying to stay ahead of Washington State and Colorado.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

cedarcityute

"Apparently you aren't that excited about your bowl game if you keep obsessing over the Utes which unfortunately don't get to go to one."

BYU fans will have plenty of time to discuss BYU's upcoming bowl as we get closer to bowl week. In the meantime, we're just having a little fun at the expense of our arrogant friends on the hill who are being forced to eat a little humble pie after two-plus years of chest beating.

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

phoenix

Other than a baseball field what does ASU and AU have over Utah (nothing) as far as facilities go? Purely your own opinion you're a byu fan. Every sport at the University of Utah is totally funded, that is the amount of scholarships that the NCAA allow. Utah does not have a men's volleyball team. There will never be anything that the Utes can do for you to think any better of Utah's athletic program. Most Ute fans new it was going to take awhile to compete and there are many things that need to be done to do that in every sport. I cannot believe the shots that come out of all you guys. BYU has a great athletic program and the fans of Utah and the Y will always go back and forth but man when you have 100 posts on a Utah article we cannot talk about our own team we have to get defensive of what you all are saying. The Y is going to a bowl because the AD is smart he MAKES SURE you have 6 games that you can win. SJSU was one of those, great year BYU?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Snack Pack

Then why did you bother to post? Bored?

@ Lone Star

Yes, the final BCS poll determines who plays for the NC. That winner get's the NC (glass egg). The USA Today and AP release a final poll. Not sure who's been ranked in the final USA Today poll more over the last 10 years. I never referenced the AP poll. I do know who's won 8 of the last 11 between BYU and Utah though.

@ Phoenix

Sorry but you will never dampen my support for Utah. First: Did I ever say I get some of the revenue? What a ridiculous assumption. 2nd: Most every college football team wears alternate jerseys, even BYU. 3rd: I could care less about BYU facilities. I've never mentioned them, just informed BYU fans the concept of temporary construction trailers over and over again.

@ Cedar City

I hear you Bro. It's difficult to even discuss the Utes on these forums without someone from down south trying to pick an arguement. Funny, you don't see much of this on the BYU threads. Envy, paranoid? Not sure what the deal is.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

MLH

"Other than a baseball field what does ASU and AU have over Utah (nothing) as far as facilities go?"

Sun Devil Stadium - Capacity: 71,706
Arizona Stadium - Capacity: 70,000 (for 2013 - $72 million expansion currently in progress)

Stop drinking the red koolaid and just accept reality.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Spokane Ute

"Yes, the final BCS poll determines who plays for the NC. That winner get's the NC (glass egg). The USA Today and AP release a final poll."

NOPE!

The team ranked #1 in the Coaches Poll (USA Today Poll) gets the crystal football trophy.

Coaches Poll Top 25 rankings during the BCS era
BYU 6
Utah 5

AP Poll Top 25 rankings during the BCS era
BYU 5
Utah 4

Sorry, you own the head-to-head bragging rights for the last 11 years, but overall season records and final national rankings always trump single game victories.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

MLH

"The Y is going to a bowl because the AD is smart he MAKES SURE you have 6 games that you can win."

You're just jealous that it would be impossible for Utah's AD to MAKE SURE you have 6 games you can win, because, as we saw last season with Colorado, the Utes are capable of losing to ANYBODY!

btw, BYU played FIVE teams currently ranked in the Top 25; Utah only played THREE. Your weak schedule arguments are nothing but sour grapes.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Markeditdown

We are both right. The BCS poll decides who plays in the NC. The winner of that game wins the national championship. I really don't even know why the USA Today or coaches poll matters at that point? I guess it does for teams outside of the National Champion.

If you researched, and BYU owns the slight lead in the polls as suggested; I will take your word for it. BYU owns the poll lead (6-5 or 5-4), and Utah owns the head to head lead (8-3). I'm cool with that. As far as which trumps which? That's a matter of opinion. Personally I will take the victories on the field vs. the popular vote. I think we can both agee on one thing; it's been a dissapointing season.

Note: Actually Utah did play a tougher schedule per the Sagarin or RPI ranking; and lost more games. The PAC 12 was very strong this year.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

Spokane Ute

"I really don't even know why the USA Today or coaches poll matters at that point?"

Let me explain: The USA Today poll IS the Coaches Poll.

The American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) National Championship Trophy (crystal football trophy) is awarded to the team that finishes #1 in the Coaches Poll. Without being voted #1 in the Coaches Poll, it wouldn't matter if a team won the BCS championship game or not, they wouldn't get the trophy.

To ensure that the winner of the championship game is voted #1, the BCS negotiated a deal with the AFCA to require all voters to vote the BCS championship game winner #1.

Ironically, the only coach to vote against that requirement was Whittingham, who gave the Utes his #1 vote in 2008, even though the Utes didn't even play in the championship game.

The AP Poll selects their national champions independent of the BCS, which is how USC won a national championship in 2003 without playing in the BCS championship game.

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btw, according to your head-to-head argument, wasn't 10-loss Colorado a better team than Utah last season?

BYU beat USU who beat Utah who beat BYU

hmmm

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@spokane ute

"It's as if they spend more time hating on Utah, than supporting BYU. I don't get it?"

You "don't get it" because you don't want to "get it" which is par for the course from utah "fans". BYU fans like sammyg or myself are simply the balance, and I'll be honest we could post on every single utah article for the next 10 years and it wouldn't even come close to balancing out what such ute "fan" greats as chris b, naval vet, uteology, utah-hawaii, 54-10, williary, and numerous other utah "fans" have posted on the BYU articles for the last several years. We are far, far behind in that department.

I think you really do "get it" you just don't want to admit that you do.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@spokane ute

You do realize that even with utah's increased revenue they are still playing catch up to where BYU already is in revenue? You also realize utah's $30 million facility is about half the cost of BYU's facility and BYU built their's 10 years ago? In otherwords utah's facility, while admittedly very nice, is inferior to BYU's, pretty much like all of utah's facilities are inferior to pretty much all of BYU's.

Now I only bring this up because you seem to think that utah has somehow surpassed BYU in these area's when in fact they have not, and won't anytime soon if ever.

The more you know....

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Duckhunter

Who wouldn't want more cash?

er,

I think that's another converstion.

While Washington, Arizona, California, and Oregon State have all completed or are in the process of expanding their stadiums, the Utes are busy toiling away at building some decent training facilities.

Actually, a pretty smart move on Hill's part, since he doesn't want to waste $50 to $100 million expanding RES to see it turn into a sea of empty red chairs, just like the HC.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter

There is no way BYU dropped $60 million on a football training facility. And if they did the Cougs got ripped off.

Point and case, Phil Knight built Oregon a six story football facility that I guarantee blows BYU's facilities away. The punch line: Oregon only spent $41 million. Also this last spring USC approved a $70 million dollar facility that will be, by far, the nicest in CFB. You have some serious delusions of grandeur if you think BYU is on par in any way with the Ducks or the Trojans. I'm pretty sure Utah will surpass BYU in football facilities too with this recent upgrade.

TrollPolice
Salt Lake City, UT

2fer

BYU's athletic department raised over $50 million dollars in 2003 to build and upgrade athletic facilities. The new indoor practice facility cost about $9 million; the new state-of-the-art training facility cost about $21 million.

The main point being, Utah is still a year away from matching the training facilities BYU has had in place for 10 years.

Now tell us about your plans to expand that crackerbox-sized stadium of yours.

Or your new track and field stadium plans.

Or your new baseball and softball stadium plans.

*crickets*

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Solomon Levi

Ever hear of the word Fluke, or upset? That is what Colorado's upset was two years ago. Beating a team 8 of 11 times is no fluke, thats called a trend. See the difference? You are also right regarding the polls: I know.

I love it when someone says "crickets". Must be camping. Utah has beaten BYU on the field and the revenue stream is going up. The facilities are, or soon will be, state of the art. I could care less what BYU does with their stadium. Notice its BYU fans, on a Utah thread, trying compare their team and school to Utah? Seldom if ever the other way around. Paranoid, jelaousy, envy; mayble a little of each. I don't get it?

@ sammy G
You already posted the exact same though earlier, remember?

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Marked it down

Jealous of what, one thing I will never be is jealous of byu.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

The Big East is waaay too far away for travel. If conferences keep expanding I could see the PAC 12 expaing to 16 schools. I would prefer they add: BYU, SDSU, Boise State & Fresno/Nevada/Air Force. I have a feeling this is where things are headed; 4-5 super confernces: 64 +/- teams.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

Losing to one lousy 10-loss team could be considered a fluke or upset. Losing to multiple lousy and 10-loss teams could be considered a trend, as in losing to:

Colorado State, Wyoming, New Mexico, 10-loss UNLV, and 10-loss Colorado. And let's not forget that if Colorado hadn't foolishly kicked the ball to Reggie after tying the game on their own 100-yard return, Utah could have easily lost back-to-back games against a 10-loss Colorado team.

Ironically, the ONLY highlights in your first two years in the PAC 12 have been a couple of wins against BYU. How is that going to help U compete in the PAC 12?

btw, your 8 of the last 11 is skewed by the Crowton debacle. Realistically, Bronco is 3-5 versus Kyle, but 6 of the 8 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes of the game or in OT. The Bronco could very easily be leading the head-to-head 5-3. Hardly the significant "trend" Utah fans mistakenly claim it to be.

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