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Published: Saturday, Nov. 24 2012 9:08 p.m. MST

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@sammyG

If you get a window seat on the short bus you might. 8-)

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

I noticed BYU took 3rd out of 4 independents this year. Talk about Banner worthy. Is BYU's bowl game going to be televised on PBS? What a season to brag about. Well, atleast they beat Utah. Oh, wait a minute.....

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Spokane Ute

The BYU-San Diego State Poinsettia Bowl game will be played December 20 in San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium (ESPN, 8 p.m.).

The Utah State-MAC Famous Idaho Potato Bowl will be played December 15 in Boise's Bronco Stadium (ESPN, 12:30 p.m.).

The Utah couch potato bowl will be played sometime during the bowl season in somebody's basement in West Valley City.

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I noticed that Utah only finished one spot lower in the PAC 12 standings this year, so there's still room to sink even lower when U add Oregon and Stanford next season.

Utes22
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Thanks for the win on the last game of the season Utes. Will miss not seeing you in a bowl this year but that will happen from time to time. Here's to a great off season and a great year next year.
Go Utes!!!

sammyg
Springville, UT

Flinched

"...but that is part of the reason Utah is in the position they are in today..."

At the time the Utes became the 'plan B' for the PAC10 expansion I honestly thought the Utes could compete but not at the level or hype of the greater Ute fan base already expanding the trophy cases to accept PAC12 Division, PAc12 and Rose Bowl trophies.

Nothing could be further from the truth about the Ute level of play after 2 years.

"Admittedly, Utah is going through some growing pains..."

I'm not sure it's growing pains or just the chronic pain of being beaten up all the time. What is going to change for the Utes??? Until recruiting steps up another notch to the 4 star level and a 5 star once in a while it is only reasonable to assume that things will be about the same. Coaching is not improving is it?

Just because of a couple of miracle seasons in the MWC does not mean a team can perform at the same level in the PAC.

It's what several of us have said all along to counter the silly chest pounding of the fantasy successful Ute football program.

Jazzledazzle
Provo, UT

@ Sammy G

I am a BYU fan, but BYU fans like you are why I flirt with switching over and being a Utah fan. I like both teams but I cheer for BYU when they play. I am LDS, and yes that is why I cheer for BYU. However, I love my great state of Utah also, so I like the U a lot too.

How can you say BYU is trending upward????? A loss at San Jose State and I don't care what kind of a record they have, you have hit rock bottom when you lose to San Jose state. Terrible coaching moves all year. Terrible qb is Riley Nelson. Trending upward? Yeah playing in the Poinsettia Bowl against San Diego State is really trending upward.

Don't forget Utah beat BYU this year. So if you want to talk about what a bad year the Utes had, just think, BYU had a pretty bad year too and Utah beat BYU again. Please just be an educated fan. Utah and BYU are pretty equal this year. Both had disappointing years and both fan bases know it. Utah State is probably the best this year of all 3.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Sammy,

Utah has shown the ability to do more with less during their time in the MWC. With the huge revenue increase and state of the art training facility that is being built I think Utah will be able to better compete for recruits. We've already seen a boost in the recruiting just by being in the PAC.

Also, just because a team has a ton of 4 and 5 star recruits does not make them invincible. Look at Utah/Alabama, BYU/OU, or even TCU?Texas this year. An even better example is Arizona beating USC a few weeks ago.

Utah was competitive in most of its games this season. I think they are another strong recruiting class or two away from putting it together and I still have confidence that Coach Whittingham and his staff can get it done.

Mt Rushmore
Arlington, VA

Two For Flinching

"While in the MWC Utah had more wins over BCS opponents than any other mid-major."

A "bcs" team is NOT necessarily a good or even a mediocre team, sometimes they are downright awful - see Colorado, Washington State, etc., etc.

How many ranked "bcs" teams with winning records did Utah beat on the road?

We know for a fact that Utah hasn't had a road win over a PAC 12 team with a winning record since the 90's.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Mt. Rushmore

You are misunderstanding my point. BCS teams have advantages over mid-majors. More money, prestige, access to better bowls, etc. You name it, they have it. I agree those things don't automatically make them better teams, even though the BCS teams "should" be better. My point is that Utah was more successful than many BCS teams and most mid-majors despite the disadvantages that come with being a mid-major.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

JazzleDazzle,

Great post. As a Utah fan, I too have pulled for both BYU and Utah over the years. However, the constant hate by a select group of BYU fans on this forum have made it difficult for me to pull for them at all. I still beleive that most BYU fans are pretty good sports, just not the ones who troll these threads. It's as if they spend more time hating on Utah, than supporting BYU. I don't get it?

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Two For Flinching

BYU has been more successful over the last 40 years than the vast majority of "bcs" teams.

How many "bcs" teams have had 18 or more Top 25 finishes since 1977 (that's over 50%)?

How many have won a national championship?

How many have won a Heisman trophy?

How many have won both a national championship AND a Heisman Trophy?

How many have had 15 or more national individual award winners?

How many have had 6 or more players inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame?

How many have only had four losing seasons in the last 40 years?

If you're honest in your tabulating the results you'll see that there are only a dozen or so teams spread across all of the major conferences that match or exceed the overall success that BYU has enjoyed since LaVell became BYU's head coach in 1972.

Even with Utah's "dominance" in recent head-to-head matchups, the Utes still fall short of BYU's overall success.

Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

Bowl Games
Bronco 8
Kyle 7

sammyg
Springville, UT

Jazzledazzled

If you follow my posts you will see one of my most recent posts that ends with...

"BYU much the same" It was in reference to both teams 'stellar' seasons.

I have also called these lower bowl games recently as "insignificant".

So before spouting off that I heap extraordinary praise upon BYU you should read a little deeper and follow a little closer on my posting.

"Trending upward" is in reference to scheduling as I also stated that I hoped the team rose to schedule injecting some doubt but since we're on a Ute story any discussion here would also infer... better than Utah at the moment.

Final rankings by others than biased fans are the true measure of performance. Not just one game. After both teams miserable seasons (another term I used in another recent post) BYU gets a bowl game and the Utes don't.

So there you have it, no 'hate' intended, just the facts and the truth.

And for icing on your cake... no Direct TV for the Pac12. Happy Holidays.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@phoenix

You left out a few:

BCS Bowl wins:
Kyle 1
Bronco 0

Top 5 finishes:
Kyle 1
Bronco 0

Bowl wins:
Kyle 6
Bronco 5

Head to head (BYU vs. Utah):
Kyle 5
Bronco 3

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ TheSportsAuthority

Yes, and BYU took 3rd out of 4 independents; so there's still room for BYU to sink below Army. I look forward to your excuses after SDSU beat's BYU. 7-5 and pounding your chest like youv'e actually done something.....classic!

Jazzledazzle
Provo, UT

This is a fun rivalry and I hope both schools figure out a way to continue it after the hiatus.

I don't agree Utah ended on a good note. They barely beat a terrible Colorado team. For that matter, BYU did not end on a good note either. A loss at San Jose State, a meaningless win over NM State. BYU gets a bowl game which again is against San Diego State, meaningless bowl game.

As a fan of both teams I can say I love the rivalry and the hostility. Where it gets annoying to me is delusional BYU fans who think BYU is way better than they are, and Utah fans who hate BYU because of the whole religion thing. That is going to far. Whittingham went to BYU and probably a third of your roster served a mission, so that just does not make sense.

I think both teams had a bad year, and the only thing we can do is wait and hope our teams kick it into gear next year.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

Utes Fan

@phoenix

You left out a few:

BCS Bowl wins: (one great season, 2008, with little else)
Kyle 1
Bronco 0

Top 5 finishes: (see above)
Kyle 1
Bronco 0

Bowl wins: (winning bowl games is great, but it doesn't trump consistently qualifying for bowl games)
Kyle 6
Bronco 5

Head to head (BYU vs. Utah): (one game per season doesn't trump overall success - see overall records and final rankings)
Kyle 5
Bronco 3

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Spokane Ute

"BYU took 3rd out of 4 independents"

Nice try, but your analysis if fundamentally flawed.

BYU and Navy only played two common opponents and BYU was much more competitive against both:

Notre Dame
BYU 14-17
Navy 10-50

San Jose State
BYU 14-20
Navy 0-12

Sagarin Rankings
#37 BYU
#50 Utah
#73 Navy

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Spokane Ute

"7-5 and pounding your chest like youv'e actually done something.....classic!"

Classic hyperbole from a Utah fan.

I haven't seen any BYU fans "pounding their chests" about finishing 7-5, in fact, the vast majority of BYU fans are bitterly disappointed that a stellar BYU defense was wasted because of a floundering BYU offense.

Still, comparing the first two years of Independence versus PAC 12, there's no question which team was more successful overall, albeit, marginally.

2011
BYU 10-3 ranked > Utah 8-5 unranked

2012
BYU 7-5 bowl > Utah 5-7 no bowl

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Phoenix & Utenymous

Utah 24 Final
BYU 21

Score Board & Check Mate!

I love how you two troll Utah threads, twist obscure stats to some how make your team look comporable to Utah, and get in your time machine when all else fails. Nice, but you can't beat us on the field! I'll take SCORE BOARD and you two can keep twisting and spinning obscure data and numbers; deal?

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Spokane Ute

"twist obscure facts"

Like say national rankings, overall records, and bowl game invitations?

I love your spin, but watching BYU and Utah State fans bowling, while Ute fans are back home watching from the comfort of their couches will soon give you a better understanding of how silly it is to judge the success of your entire season on the basis of one game.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Sorry Utenanmous but getting invited to a bowl with one of the lowest pay outs, while going 7-5, just doesn't say much. I admit Utah had a horrible season. We did play a tougher schedule than BYU, but lost more games. Funny thing is, even when we have our worst season in years, we still beat BYU. Spin that one Guy. Another question, why are you so concerned about Utah? I could care less about BYU. Why do you troll Utah articles and pick an arguement with Utah fans? Are you that insecure as a BYU fan? What's the deal?

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