Those are fair points.Utah will play tough teams though, just not in
the preseason. Like you said conf. play will be the real barometer of how much,
if any, this team has improved. Since Utah still is not in a position to be a
contender in conference I think it's alright to have this kind of schedule
just to teach this team how to win. Assuming this kind of schedule doesn't
become a regular thing.
Continued from above:I'm just a firm believer that playing
against better competition makes you a better player and team. Playing weak
opponents does not make you better, it takes good competition to raise your
level of skill whether it is individually or as a team. I don't think utah
is improving because they are playing bad teams. They may be better because they
have raised their talent level some but playing a bunch of bad opponents
isn't helping them IMO. I think it is giving them false confidence. With my kids two teams it was apparent. When the average team he played
on moved up they thought they were going to be good because they had beaten up
on the "B" league teams. They got a rude awakening but by the end of the
year they had inarguably improved. The really good team he was on also improved
because the games were tough, the teams were tougher and harder to beat. They
had to work hard to beat them and when they did their confidence increased in a
real way. Just my opinion.
@Two For FlinchingYou may be right about that, we'll just have
to see how it turns out as the season progresses. I just think they should have
scheduled a little bit better quality of teams. This isn't a
perfect anaolgy but it is close enough. My youngest son played on 2 basketball
teams last year. One of the teams he played on was pretty average. He wanted to
play on it because it was composed of many of his friends. They started out
playing in a "B" league but it was obvious they were going to dominate
that league so the coach moved them up to the "A" league. In the
"A" league it was much tougher and they didn't win much but they
became much better for playing the tougher competition.The other
team he played on was one of the top in the state for his age. He was about a
middle tier kid on that team to start the season although in fairness to him
that meant he is a really good player. But competing against the kids on that
team for playing time, and against the very best teams made him better.
DuckhunterI honestly don't think last year Utah would have been
4-1 with the schedule this year's team has played. We started off with a
loss to Adam's State and a three point win over San Diego Christian...
@two forThat sounds good but I have to disagree. Not about utah
having better talent or even that they have or haven't improved, just that
the current competition does not in anyway give us evidence one way or the
other. Last year they were bad, and their schedule wasn't very good, but it
was a long ways from being as bad as this years schedule. They were playing far
better teams last year at this time. The schedule they are playing
this year doesn't tell us a thing about them, even last year they could
have beaten most of the teams they are playing this year. Now the
pac12 is no basketball powerhouse but it will at least be a better indicator of
improvement than what they are currently doing. If they improve their pac12
record, or at least compete better in those games, then I think we will be able
to say they have improved, but it won't matter if they beat every bad team
they play in the preseason because it won't tell us a thing.
indycrimsonIs "challenging" yourself against a bunch of high
school teams really going to help prepare U for games in a power conference?Sorry, but dispite your hyperbole, NOBODY in the WCC is even close to as
bad the D-III and NAIA teams Utah bookended their pre-season schedule with -
Willamette and College of Idaho - teams that are so far off the charts that
neither game will count in calculating Utah's RPI or SOS.9th in
football; 12th in basketball; last or next to last in every other men's
sport - the Utes certainly haven't given us any evidence that they actually
belong in the "conference of champions".
DuckhunterNobody is worried about Utah's record. We all know
Utah is still far away from being a tournament team. Everybody is focused on
seeing the team improve, and they obviously have. Last year at this
time all Utah did was run isolation plays to Jiggy and try to run the clock in
hopes of keeping it somewhat close at the end of the game. This year the team
is moving the ball, scoring, and has a good foundation to build around with
Loveridge and Bachynski. Not to mention Utah is playing the game and has been
putting [bad] teams away about halfway through the second half, which is
something they could not do last season.It's going to be a long
road back, but I think we're heading in the right direction.
@indycrimsonIf it is me I wouldn't schedule all of those powers
but I w2ould definately not schedule that laughers utah scheduled. But all I
said was utah "fans" should try to keep things in persepctive. Their
record of 4-1 is basically meaningless other than the 1 loss. That loss says
more about them than the 4 "wins".
Agree OC fan!
The WCC is conference that includes Gonzaga and St. Mary's - those games
will be the measure of the Cougars.The measure of the Utes will be
their improvement over the year, not in wins and losses.
I still think the Utes will only lose 2 or 3 non-conference games, and only win
2 or 3 conference games. There is a possibility that Utes could win zero
conference games.Very imprressed with Bachynski. Wish BYU had
picked him up when they had the chance.
So Duck and Ufan...If your program was in shambles and you fire 10
out of 12 players and bring in new ones. Do you play a bunch of scums and use
these "games" as practice + a little? Before you go into a league
schedule that is really hard this year? Or, do you schedule Kentucky, Duke,
UNC, Texas, Ohio State, Indiana and then play the PAC 12 schedule.One seems more logical to me than the other.Or how about a team
that plays Notre Dame, Florida State (and loses) and then plays in a conference
that is full of Willamettes?Pot vs. kettle perhaps?
I would suggest keeping things in perspective but I highly doubt utah
"fans" will do that.
Pardon me if I'm not buying the "improved" narative until the Utes
actually beat somebody.At 3-1, the Utes have already lost a home
game against one of the worst OOC schedules in the country, and Utah's win
against Willamette, a D-III team, doesn't even count in the RPI
rankings.Real Time RPI Rankings (out of 346)#337 Utah -
SOS #342Sagarin Ratings (out of 347)#213 Utah - SOS #339
Sorry I don't buy it. Playing a bunch of inferior teams in a stacked home
schedule is deceiving to Utah fans. They lost to Sacramento State, predicted to
finish in the middle of the pack in the Big Sky Conference, which gives you an
indication of where the Utes are in reality.The Utes won't schedule
in-state teams like Weber State, SUU, USU or UVU because they know what the
outcome would be. This innocuous pre-season schedule that Chris Hill and Coach
Krystkowiak have put together has done nothing but build a nice facade and false
confidence in the players while keeping the fan base off their backs.Reality will soon come knocking in December.
Baby steps...1. D3....win2. D1....bad team...win....bad team
loss.3. D1....kinda bad teams...win.Lots of kinda bad teams
in front of us...boring no doubt but you can see a method to Coaches madness.
It's a long road back but coach K is putting in the work with sound
Nice win....things are looking up!
One more to go this week, then we should get a good indication of how the team
stacks up at SMU next week.
No such thing as a bad win. Keep it rolling fellas and take care of Wright St.