Wow! Doman's statements here say it all. He just doesn't get it.
There are plenty of tough guys in the game of football, but being tough by
itself doesn't qualify anybody as a QB. Doman may love Nelson's
attitude, but it's his job to identify the guy who can make all the throws
and get him on the field...this is just sad. I've seen this kind of thing
happen at the high school level, but you certainly wouldn't expect this at
the upper D1 level.
Why do Bronco and Brandon baby and make excuses for the Nelson. This little love
triangle shows failing not only in Nelson lack of talent but also the coaching
staffs lack of assessing talent and overall decision making. The plan fact of
the matter is Nelson does not have the quarterback talent nor game savvy in
order to play on the college level.
Riley legacy = possibly the worst BYU QB ever. If not the worst that the second
worse BYU QB ever. Lesson learned!
4-5 as a starter this season and they are bragging!13 TD, 12 Pics and 21
sacks! No wonder Bronco said he was thankful for a job on True Blue monday
You have to be kidding me. Nelson is the worst QB in modern times at BYU. How
many pick 6s does he have? I think 4. And for Bronco and Doman to say Nelson
is tough. What makes a good QB is knowing when he can help the team, not be in
the game knowing he is not up to making the plays need to win. In fact, I have
competed against Bronco in cutting. He would stick with a horse that really was
not going to win for him. Bronco is still going with someone that has grit but
knows he will not win with him. Life is to short not to have a QB that will
give you the best chance to win. Nelson has proven he is not that QB. Nelson
stay hurt and let Lark start for BYU Sat.
Is Lark just not very good? I've never seen him play so I can't judge
his ability as a quarterback. Has he made Mendenhall and Doman mad? I just
don't understand why he hasn't been given a chance. If Riley really
does give the cougars the best chance to win, that's a sad commentary on
BYU football this year.
Could this have been the year heaps matured into his potential? This team would
be possibly undeafted with just a little improvement in the QB play. I'm
glad I'm not the guy who has to live with losing the number one ranked QB
in college football only to have to rely on Nelson.
It seems to me there is a difference between determination, tenacity, and grit
on the one hand and foolhardiness on the other. While I don't have any
experience with football, I do have experience with running. If I injure my
hamstring during the middle of the running season, I have two choices. I can
continue to show grit by hobbling along and probably aggravating the injury even
more, making the recovery even longer and more difficult. Second, I could bite
the bullet and sit out and allow my body to heal fully so that I can return to
running at full strength and sooner rather than later. In my example of
running, I am the only one affected if I continue to race while injured. In
Riley Nelson's case he has hurt himself as well as the entire team.
C'mon, Riley, show that you're a sportsman instead of a selfish glory
hog by trying to show you can play while hurt. Do the right thing and sit out
this next game. Let a fully healthy James Lark start. Or are you and the
coaches afraid that Lark might show you up?
It is tough rising to the expectations the BYU community has of its
quarterbacks. Last season people wanted Jake Heaps to lead them back to the
Glory Years. It did not take long for fans to become disenchanted with him. They
booed him off the field and wanted somebody else. Its not surprising they have
run out of quarterbacks. It will take patience to build a winning program. Do
BYU fans have that patience?
Wow Bishop, if the kid is hurt you have the responsiblity to protect him from
himself. How do you simply let him run back on the field after the onside kick
knowing he's hurt, but not knowing how badly? If you have a timeout you
use it. If you don't have a timeout put in the backup QB until you know
what is physically wrong with your Starter. Especially if your QB is Riley, who
would play on just one healthy lung. I'd hate to work for you on Sundays.
Henry - to answer your question...no. No way! Look at how talented this team
Since Bronco and Doman feel such a connection to Riley, wouldn't it be nice
for the trio to all leave BYU together at the end of this season? There is
no reason to believe things will get better next year with a rougher schedule
and an inexperienced quarterback coming off a serious injury that happened due
to boneheaded coaching. If changes aren't made in this off season it
will be more of the same next year as a once proud and prolific offense swirls
around the drain under an unqualified OC.
Good comments, patronizing article. Cheerleading Jeff Call! As Greg Wrubel
pointed out, of all the BYU QBs who have thrown for 2000+ yards in one
season, the worst is... Jake Heaps. Second worst... Riley Nelson.Bronco recruited 3 QBs: Heaps, Nelson and Lark (who was never given a chance
to start). Enough said on Bronco's ability to evaluate and/or develop
While Riley has unfortunately, no "legacy" at BYU, let's quit
harping against Bronco. He's BYU's coach and will continue to be until
he decided to leave. It will be a sad day when that happens.(For
those critics who have the same appetite for dishing it out as Riley has for
absorbing it, name five current college coaches who could have even the remotest
chance of being BYU's head coach next season. Don't even think of
Detmer. He would be a great QB coach, not a head coach.)
Admiration is nice, but that's about as dumb as anything I've ever
heard. When you don't even know what the injury is you wait until the
doctor has made a determination if the injured player can safely go back into
the game. Since Nelson cannot pass why hasn't he been utilized in another
position where he doesn't have to pass? Doman and Bronco should have made
that decision last year.
Riley? Legacy? He will be remembered as the most unqualified person to ever
play the position in the last 50 years...but he is Bronco's friend.
To wer: Charley Strong @ Louisville.
Brandon Doman is the most unprepared Offensive coordinator in BYU history , its
time for him to move on and take Bronco with him.
Bronco and Brandon are in denial. Will be so "thankful" for the season
to be over and the Bronco / Riley lovefest is history.
I don't blame Riley, I don't even care anymore.
A quarterback other than Riley this year and we are National Champs.
After watching Timpview HS in the State Championship game, I would take that
Lloyd QB right now over Nelson. Throws it a tone better. Has way better
decision making ability. And is a winner. Of course, after this
year and the way BYU treats their QB's....no way I would go there. This
article is very interesting...
Riley Nelson's legacy at BYU is that he single handedly ruined the BYU
football program for 3 straight years. Maybe he provided for some good
entertainment at times for the viewership on ESPN but that is about it. He
didn't get us to a relevant bowl game, he's wasted the potential of a
lot of really talented players on both sides of the ball merely by taking up the
quarterback spot and being unable to lead the team to wins. In what could have
been Jake Heaps senior season, we are left to rebuild the entire team on the
cusp of the most difficult schedule in BYU history. We're losing a myriad
of seniors on defense and quite possibly Kyle Van Noy because of declaring early
for the NFL. The offensive line will be in shambles as well. We can only hope
that Taysom Hill gets healthy as fast as possible. With the new mission rule in
place which will deplete depth for the next few years, and with the possibility
of super conferences looming, and "earning a seat at the table" becoming
increasingly important, the future of BYU football is really uncertain right
A quick first read of this article gives me the impression that Doman is trying
to justify playing Nelson, even when he was hurt. And for Riley to grab his
helmet and go running onto the field in the middle of an injury assessment by a
doctor speaks volumes about a dysfunctional sideline and coaching
responsibilities. Of course that was obvious some weeks ago when Taysom Hill
was injured needlessly.I am alarmed at Doman saying Nelson is
"probable" for Saturday's game. We all know Riley would never come
out of the game on his own, even when he was "at 65%" of his ability so
I must ask this question: "Who is running the show in Provo?" And why
are these poor decisions that have resulted in a loss of at least 3 (and more
like 4) games not at all consequential to those who cannot see the forrest for
the trees?Don't the fans and donors deseerve a better outcome,
based upon what is best for the program and the team, than allegiance to one
"gutsy" player that cannot perform due to injury? Hint: It's no
shame to be benched due to an injury.....none at all.Really!!!!
I dont understand all the dislike or hate directed at riley or the coach. Go
eat some more turkey and calm down. It is just a game. They have shown what
real men are made of.
Look, I realize none of us raised our arm to the square and sustained Riley,
Brandon or Bronco, but the disloyalty shown here is nauseating. Breaks my heart
a lot more than losing so many close games this season. I am ashamed
of you all.
Oh the humanity! When will it end!?
Damage control by Doman, nothing more. He knows he's in trouble.
Don't be ashamed Mr. Y. The BYU team gets to keep playing all the way to a
bowl without any of our approval or criticism.Since the fans
aren't the ones playing, there's no reason to be ashamed of them. The
questions should be put to the team.Is the BYU team good or poor
this year?What is the root cause of that goodness or poorness?Are you happy or ashamed of their successes and losses?Keep
that feeling to yourself, and live and let live.
SillyRabbitI'm proud of my team, win or lose. Fans
will do what they do, whether I'm ashamed of them or not. But if it
matters, then you should know, I feel this behavior is shameful.
Legacy? Really? It wasn't the right move to keep nelson starting. Still, I
felt sorry for Nelson, as he left it all on the field each game, and emptied his
tank, only to have that painful dejected look on his face with each mounting
loss in meaningful games. The team had to feel those losses as well, but Nelson
will be remembered for the rest of his life as a loser to many a BYU fan. But
that is life at the QB position. It's like coaches. People want to worship
you or lynch you. That is sports
It seems like the problem is that the coaches keep letting him play hurt. He
doesn't play well when hurt and he shouldn't be in there. Why do they
keep letting him play? I would think that a healthy Lark would be better than a
banged up Nelson.
I'm as diehard and at times critical as most Cougar fans but the constant
complaining about Riley and Bronco get really tedious. Of course we would like
to have a better record and with a little luck we could be 10-1 or even 11-0.
For those of you calling for Bronco's head I would remind you that Bronco
has the 10 best record of any active coach in Div.1. That means there are 114
others with worse records. Some may say it's been against inferior
competition. If that was so easy there'd be a lot of non-BCS coaches with
similar results. That's not the case. He has 5 10+ win seasons out of 8
which puts him in rather elite company. As a matter of comparison Lavelle only
had 2 such seasons in his first 8 campaigns.The fact of the matter
is that there aren't a lot of qualified candidates out their in any event.
We're lucky to have Coach Mendenhall and I'm confident he'll lead
us to great heights. I'd suggest the lemmings here exhale and enjoy the
I have a real problem with the coaching staff at BYU. They have been responsible
for playing a quarterback when visibly injured last week at San Jose State.
James Lark should have played that last drive which ended when Nelson threw a
wounded duck that floated in the arms of a San Jose State defender while at the
same time, Nelson could hardly lift his arm after the previous series. Further,
they played Taysom Hill at the end of the Utah State game and allowed him to run
that cause significant injury so he was out for the season. These were the most
egregious examples, but there have been other examples as well throughout the
entire season, mostly calling bad calls that resulted in the loss of close
games. Rather than blame players, we should be questioning the bad play-calling
of the coaches at BYU. Bronco should be held accountable for this season and not
be held on a pedestal because he preaches values at BYU.
I know it's not good the throw your players under the bus, but for Doman to
continue to rave about Nelson is beyond me. Holmoe's comments about the
offensive woes at the BB media day, put my mind at ease, knowing that at least
one person gets it.By the way, when do we talk about Doman's
@Y Grad / Y Dad - And I feel it is shameful to put make a kid play who is
grimacing in pain on the sideline. Nelson should have never been in the game
against Utah, BSU on SJSU in the 2nd half.
The problem is what we read is how Doman will remember Nelson. The legacy that
everyone will remember will be that Nelson wss the worst quarterback that BYU
has had in a long time who was supported by a coaching staff who supported his
mediocrity. I also believe that he puts his own personal desire to play above
the good of the team. He would rather go in and play even when he isn't
physically capable of performing. What's worse is the coaches have allowed
him to do it. His selfishness and poor play cost us the season.
The kid is surely a scrapper and has a lot of character. It's the coaching
that is the problem. That seems to be the consensus.
CougFaninTXFrisco, TX"@Y Grad / Y Dad - And I feel it is
shameful to put make a kid play..."Fairly stated but I would
believe inaccurate. Don't think anyone but Riley made Riley play, and THAT
would be a fair critique.MaxCharlotte, NC"It seems
like the problem is that the coaches keep letting him play hurt. He doesn't
play well when hurt and he shouldn't be in there. Why do they keep letting
him play? I would think that a healthy Lark would be better than a banged up
Nelson."THIS is a critique that is fairly stated and very
Doman said, "I'll love him for that forever for being tenacious that
way and never quitting. That's how I'll remember him." Tenacious,
never quitting, gritty, or tough don't necessarily translate into a good
QB. You have to possess the skill that goes with this or any other position.
This goes for players and coaches. And I should add good judgment as well. As
fans, we've had to endure the lack of skill & jedgment at both the QB
& OC positions. For one who is true blue, one word will describe what
I'll remember about this year: FRUSTRATING!
Despite all the negatives there are shining moments for Riley. First
of all, BYU is bowling this year. Several of you Ute fans chiming in on this
article need a Kleenex over that one. Let the sobbing continue.As
much as a BYU fan wants to win every game and return to the wonder years of
Lavell Edwards these are different times. It takes a lot of talent to make it
all happen and with Riley, well it was inconsistent at times and these injuries
were problematic.But in this kids defense I will never forget that
USU game when Heaps was pulled and Riley pulled out the win. That was a game and
there were others as well. I'll agree that some decisions have been
questionable but I'll let the coaches figure it out.It's a
game, it's entertainment, and I have enjoyed it all. Like Y Dad, I'm a
little embarrassed at some of these comments of the so called BYU faithful.Lighten up, it could be worse, you could be a Ute fan with no post
season.Good luck Riley as you move on in life.
The issue is that Doman is commending Riley for going back in the game against
San Jose State. If Nelson were a true leader, he would have recognized that
BYU's best chance to win the game would be with Lark, not him. Had he done
this earlier in the year, BYU would have more wins (Utah and Boise to name a
few). He is selfish and doesn't understand the concept of a
team. If you truly care about the team, you don't play with a fractured
back. That is not tough. That is not feisty. That is just plain stupid and most
of all, immature. Give the Cougs a chance and have Riley sit out. he is not the
future, his time is over - thank the heavens!My hope is that Riley
and Doman are a package deal and that they both are gone after this year.
The legacy of Riley Nelson is having the 94th best quarterback rating in NCAA
football. This is out of the 117 quarterbacks who had enough snaps to qualify.
94th out of 117 is apparently the new standard at BYU.
Cougar10"The issue is that Doman is commending Riley for going
back in the game against San Jose State. If Nelson were a true leader, he would
have recognized that BYU's best chance to win the game would be with Lark,
not him. Had he done this earlier in the year, BYU would have more wins (Utah
and Boise to name a few)."I blame that decision entirely on
Doman and Bronco.Doman should have had the foresight to have a
quality backup QB prepared to be ready to step in at a moment's notice (and
he certainly much more time to prepare than that.).Bronco should
have taken responsibility to intercede when it became apparent the Doman was
unwilling to sit Riley as long as Riley was still breathing.
Rudy with all of his tenacious, gritty, never quitting attitude is probably
wishing he could have come to BYU under Bronco instead of Notre Dame. He could
have been QB forever instead of one play at the end of his senior year. And he
could have gotten carried off the field by his coaches every game!From a fan perspective BYU shouldn't pay Bronco 750K+ a year to "mold
young men", they should pay him that kind of money to win games. If they
want to hold great firesides and mold young men there are a lot of guys on CES
salary that could do just as good of a job.
I too am one 40 year fan of BYU who doesn't care anymore. 8:00 PM games
just to be on ESPN3 against weak teams has dampened my interest. Going
independent to be on TV showed little regard for long time fans. I do not think
Nelson is physically well enough to play....did the coaches not see his agony
while being examined on the bench last Saturday as I did on TV? What does coach
Mendenhall tell Lark....after loyally working and waiting?
Riley's legacy will be a gritty player who gave it his all, but because of
poor decision-making by his coaches, spent his time playing a position he was
ill-prepared to play -- physically, skill-wise, and decision-making wise.Doman should have stayed with the plan they had when Heaps was made
BYU's starting QB, to play Riley on special teams, as a half-back or
defensive back. If Heaps wasn't ready to be BYU's starter after the
Utah State game, Lark should have been made BYU's starting QB.
I played college football i was as they say as competitive as they come. I
wouldn't pull myself out of a game either. It's up to the coaches to
do that. I am a Ute fan but i can't beleive how much trust this coaching
staff has in RN. If i were a QB now way would i want to go play for that
staff.And about the bowl game who cares. Yes i wish we were going but these
lower bowl games aren't what we all want right?
@nothegameutah "fans" like yourself would love to be in any
bowl game at all this year. There are maybe 4-5 bowl games that have enough
prestige to make any kind of claim of superiority, and even those don't
mean much, it is the National Championship that actually means something, so
going to a bowl game, any bowl game, is pretty much all that matters other than
for the 2 teams that have a shot at a national championship.
You fired the DC and it worked out great. Now be great and fire the OC. This
does two things, it makes us better offensively and it helps you keep your job
It's true Duckhunter, most Utah fans would prefer to go to a bowl game this
season. But our team didn't earn it this year. The level of play in conf.
has stepped up and Utah needs to step up with it because there aren't
nearly as many built in wins as Utah had in the past. When Utah does get back
into a bowl it'll be great because I will know that Utah truly earned that
spot.I disagree about all-non BCS bowls being all the same. The
Outback Bowl and the Alamo Bowl are not the same as the Potato Bowl and the New
Mexico Bowl. They really aren't even comparable. The first two mentioned
are far more prestigious which is why they have better contracts with
conferences, higher payouts, bigger stadiums, better time slots, etc. In short,
they are more prestigious because better teams play in them when compared to
lower tier bowls.
BYU has a wonderful stadium, dedicated administrators, fully-invested coaches
and hard-working players as well as a pathetic fan base that does not deserve
any of the above.
Two For FlinchingCalling a bowl "prestigious" is largely in
the eye of the beholder.For Utah, playing in the Sugar Bowl was the
greatest achievement and most prestigious bowl in Utah football history.For Alabama, playing in the Sugar Bowl was a bitter disappointment and
far less prestigious than Alabama was hoping for.There is a certain
"prestige" level to various bowls, but the bowl opponent is more
important, and the final end-of-season rankings trump everything else.To say that not playing in a bowl is no big deal, however, is simply denying
reality.On a scale of national championship being the ultimate
success, and winless being ultimate failure, finishing with a winning record and
qualifying for a bowl are the mininum standard for grading success versus
SUNNY ALL DAY"BYU has a wonderful stadium, dedicated
administrators, fully-invested coaches and hard-working players as well as a
pathetic fan base that does not deserve any of the above."That
is an over generalization. Although there's not much evidence on this page
to disprove it.
Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading. People saying maybe Heaps
could be maturing at QB right now? You only gave him 1/2 a season before you
boo'd him off the field. Now we're wishing he was back? Seriously?
The most fickle fans ever. Just keep hoping for Detmer, McMahon and Young to
come back. Those kinds of guys wouldn't dare come to BYU. No loyalty
whatsoever. By the way, don't hold your breath for Jabari Parker.
He's got bigger goals in mind. Coach K will love him.
Doman's comments only show the lovefest that exists between the coaches and
Riley. Sad sad commentary. Please give Lark the starting position this week.
Riley deserves a week off.
Re:William WallaceLike most fans I agree that it was the right move
to pull Jake Heaps in the Utah State game. But it SHOULD HAVE
STOPPED THERE!Jake should have been put back in the following week
against San Jose State, but it never happened.I personally thought
that the coaches benched Jake as a temporary move, and as a wake up call for
Jake. I did not see this as some kind of permanent move. If anything that was
shocking. What I also didn't understand why the team played so much harder
for Riley. Shouldn't you play hard for any starting QB? I realize he
wasn't playing efficiently, but I have never seen so many dropped passes in
my life. Then all of the sudden, Riley throws the ball to receivers and they
remember how to catch passes? I'm not buying it.I never bought
into Riley's "team first" farce. In fact, I really don't think
he was ever about the team at all. If it were up to Riley, he would keep the
ball on every play and never even throw it. He throws to keep playing.
If Bronco and Brandon only paid more attention to thier responcibility as
coaches instead of coddling Riley, perhaps there would be a few more wins. The
coaches are so concerned about this guys mental health that they failed the
team. Changed need to be made in leadership.
So, if the blame isn't on Nelson, then it is squarely on Doman and
Mendenhall. Doman is terrible as an OC and Bronco's love of grit has cost
the program...both need to be removed as soon as the final snap is made. Bronco
can stay at the DC, if he will swallow a demotion, but Doman needs to find
another line of work. Andy Reed needs to be offered the job - he will be
unemployed soon - and BYU needs to pay whatever it takes to get him to Provo.Also, there is no way, shape or form that BYU should be considering
rejoining the MWC. Indepence isn't all that it's made out to be
because of scheduling, but as someone who lives outside the Utah bubble, that
conference (and the WAC) are laughing stocks and BYU would be better served
finding another conference besides either of those.
wer: I can name five: Andy Reed, Andy Reed, Andy Reed, Andy Reed and Andy Reed.
Mildred in Fillmore"A quarterback other than Riley this year and
we are National Champs."Despite your usual hyperbole, your
statement has some elements of validity.Where would BYU be right now
if the Cougars had had an offense to match their defense, starting at QB?
Instead of starting Riley Nelson, they'd had a QB like Max Hall or John
Beck or *gasp* James Lark, who could stand in the pocket, read defenses, and
deliver an accurate pass. Instead of Doman, they'd had an experienced OC
who ran a traditional BYU-style offense and could take full advantage of Apo,
Hoffman, and Williams, instead of constantly putting his QB at risk running
option plays? Instead of having an offensive line plagued by false starts, BYU
had had a well-coached offensive line that could pass protect and not
self-destruct.It's not a stretch to see that this team could
have been undefeated IF the coaches had done a better job of utilizing the
offensive talent BYU had available.Where would an undefeated BYU be
ranked today, with a road win at Top 10 Notre Dame, and home wins against Top 25
ranked Oregon State and Utah State?
As poor as Nelson has played, the thuoght is a painful one to imagine Heaps
again. Heaps was the opposite, not gutsy, not a gamer but he had a good arm.
Still, as poor as RN has been he is an improvement over Heaps. Despite it all I
will cheer on the cougs at NMS and here is hoping Lark gets the start.
Yes, we know Nelson is a "tough guy". That image, however, got kind of
old. It wasnt a question of "if" he would get hurt doing his tough guy
act, but "when". The coaches should have known that and been prepared.
Also, they should have been smart enough to make the decision to replace Nelson
when he lied to them and said that he could play and be effective. Coaches were
at fault there. IT has been a pretty bad year for coaching
decisions. Especially on the offensive side. It was known that the kicking game
was in trouble. Why not have a reliable option there even for point after kicks
and modest field goals.I know BYU football is not really about
football, but something needs to change for things to improve. It has been
quite a waste of a great defense.
Football players love the game and want to be on the field. I am not surprised
that Riley would grab his helmet and head back onto the field after the
successful onside kick against SJS. The coaches need better sideline control
and management.As for most of the comments here: fans want to win
because they feel better about themselves, and they love being associated with a
winning team/program. When things don't go well there is frustration.Fans pay the money to attend the games, buy the food, buy the Y
sweaters, hats and t-shirts. Fans watch the games on tv giving ratings that
yield contracts and negotiating positions.But fans don't
usually know or understand all of the background information behind decisions
and events on a team. We have to trust administrators, coaches and players.
But administrators, coaches and players should respect fans because
if the fans lose interest and passion, the program will suffer.It is
a careful dance that isn't being managed well. There are many fans that
are not satisfied with a 10 win season, where wins are against weak opponents.
BYU needs to start winning big games.
Why isn't BYU winning big games? Are coaches not preparing and spending
the time necessary to win these games? Are there coaches that are unqualified
or not right for the program? Are the wrong players on the field? Who is
providing subjective, honest feedback and assessment for the coaching and the
team's performance? Is recruiting and player talent not up to par to win
the big games? How well does the coaching staff make adjustments during the
game? If the structure isn't in place to win the big games,
then change the structure. If what we see from BYU is what the
coaches and administration want, then we will continue to get more of the same.
But I believe fans will stop spending as much time and money following the
Well all i can say is if the o line gets tired of not having a score they
most likely wont give Nelson any protection and he could get badly
hurt,i've seen this happen many times in high school games and a few times
in college if he continues to be a detriment to the team i can see this
happening,and it will be the coaches fault,they continue this love affair with
Nelson but he has single handedly lost 3 games with his crummy play and Bronco
and Doman just dont get it teams get tired of losing after a while and just
decide that enough is enough,time to play Lark and give Riley a rest before he
gets seriously injured or killed.
His Legacy? A selfish player who put himself ahead of his team. Even if
you're twice as good as your backup, some injuries reduce your
effectiveness to the point that you are hurting the team by trying to play.
There is no question that was the case with the Utah and Boise St games and even
the end of the SJSU game.Who's running this team anyways? Some
of the blame is Riley for lying to the coaches and his teammates about the
extent of his injuries but some of the blame lies with the coaches for not
taking control of the situation and saying, "Sorry pal, we want to win the
game more than we care about your wanting to play."This season
will forever be known as the season of "What could have been"
It's the coach's job to be objective and not play favorites. Why does
Riley's inner need to play override the other 84 player's inner need
to win the game?The one or two brilliant plays he makes a game are
far outweighed by the dozen or so missed throws to open WR's, times he
takes a critical sack because he held the ball too long and killed the drive,
killed the drive with a fumble or INT, or held the ball on the option and took a
loss instead of pitching it, etc.
Again, I find it curious outside of the delusional BYU bubble that opposing
coaches and the national media find Nelson to be a decent QB and for Bronco to
be an exceptional coach. Of course all these people are idiots and most of
these BYU fans know all.
David:BYU IS winning games. Bronco has a better record than LaVell
Edwards did through his first six seasons as a coach. I think Bronco has the
fourth or fifth highest winning percentage of any coach over the period he has
been coaching. There's about 120 BCS football playing schools so I would
say that is pretty good. Again, I think BYU supporters are a bit out of whack
with their expectations of the program especially with A) the school's
higher mission which I think Bronco serves the school and church well and B) the
challenges BYU has in recruiting with its honor code and being a church
university located in Utah.
ClarkinAK:Andy Reed is spelled REID. And I think Reid needs take
some time off and attend to his family. He won't ask me of course but it
would be in best interest. He will be fired by the Eagles and he had
expectations as great as BYU fans had with their own team. Despite playing 16
games, his win total will not equal's BYU's who will play in three
less. I think Reid is a great coach but he probably deserves some time off.
I'm not sure he is a savior and like I have alluded to before, I don't
think BYU needs a "savior". They have a good coach. They need to tweak
things of course and there were some issues this year. I don't Nelson was
as good as most of the BYU QBs of the last 30 or so years but he isn't as
awful as people think. Lastly, there are more important things than football
and I'm glad Bronco knows this and let's all know that he knows
Eagle, I don't think fan expectations are out of whack one bit. If you have
paid attention the last few years, Bronco has mismanaged many situations. From
the quarterback controversy, to hiring an inexperienced OC, to taysom hills
injury, it all falls back on bronco. It is not fair to compare broncos and
lavells first several seasons. Lavell took over a program in worse shape and was
building it up. What marquee wins does bronco have in his career? I count one,
Oklahoma. Check out his record against top 25 opponents. It is pretty dismal.
Bronco needs to make significant changes to his staff this offseason. Anyone who
knows the game of football can see they have not been well coached offensively
I never thought I'd say this but I miss Robert Anae.
@Y Grad / Y Dad - "Fairly stated but I would believe inaccurate. Don't
think anyone but Riley made Riley play, and THAT would be a fair
critique."Do you have kids? Do you let them do everything they
want to do? I have no doubt that Riley wanted to play. But it's the
coaches responsibility to determine that Riley would jeopardize his own health
and the productivity of the team by playing. If I saw my kid grimacing in pain
the way Riley was, I would be livid if the coaches allowed him to play.
Very curious to know what Riley is holding over Bronco's head. That can be
the only reason that I can see that let's Riley determine if he play's
or not. Riley is a very poor passer on his best day so when injured he's
terrible. I've heard that Kuresa has the best arm on the team, so my
question is why hasn't he been tried or utilized on an option from the slot
receiver position. Also, why was Heaps on such a short leash while Riley
doesn't even have a leash?
Eagle, for BYU to really be successful they must win big games. Under
Bronco's tenure BYU's record against strong opponents is poor. Having
a good overall record beating mediocre to poor teams will not lead to Conference
invitations, good tv contracts in the future, national rankings. Fans are
feeling frustrated because they see good athletes, great facilities, improved
exposure, scheduling with great opponents, but a poor record against those
opponents.Where does the administration, coaches & players want
to go? Do they want high rankings, big bowl invites, more regular wins against
strong opponents? If so the current structure isn't working. Evaluate
& change the structure.
CougFaninTXYou said "made." That was my point.Two pictures:Bronco to Riley: "I don't care! We need
you out there, now get out there and play! Or there's the door!"OrRiley to Bronco: "Come on coach, I can do this. They
NEED me! I've earned this. Let me in, coach, please! I'm begging
you."Neither extreme is likely, but one is closer to likely than
then other, I'm thinking. And yes, I do have kids...
Eagle please stop comparing LaVell's first 6 years to Bronco's. Bronco
has stated himself he has more talented players than LaVell ever had. I'm
not bashing on Bronco, but the comparisons are apples and Oranges
And please don't tell me my opinion is pessimistic and meaningless.
I've donated thousands to this program and have years of service invested
in this university and its atheletics. The way Doman and Riley run this offense
The bottom line is we are entitled to provide accurate feedback positive or
negative. Bronco is paid over $1M per year from private donors. Brandon receives
a nice six figure income. Plus great health insurance, 401K match, and a
generous pention plan. THEY CAN handle the critics. They basically
signed an employment contract saying they would and could deliver wins even
amidst harsh criticism.
I understand how internally a player may be respected. The coaches have seen
things with Riley that have earned their profound respect. Those moments no
doubt were special and personal.But...as a coach your first priority
is to the team. Grit is an important element of football, but it alone
won't win football games.I'm so frustrated that the
coaches can't or won't see what everyone else sees...that Riley does
not have the skills needed to be a D-1 quarterback. It doesn't matter that
he kept getting up. In fact, there were many times I wish he would stay down.I applaud that he keeps getting up. That will serve him the rest of his
life. But...BYU needs to step it up! No more allowing players to manipulate
coaches into thinking that they are more important than the rest of the team.
BYU won't be a winning program unless they have the players making plays
consistently every game, especially the quarterback.All I know is
this, if we continue to have lousy quarterbacks throwing interceptions to
defensive linemen, we are going to be lucky to make it to the Potato Bowl.
Tenn12: I don't want to disparage Lavell Edwards at all because he is a
great coach. But I will probably come across as such to correct the record. But
let it be known I've followed BYU football for part of five decades.
Lavell wasn't perfect. If Bronco mismanaged Taysom Hill ask Glen Kozlowski
how he feels about his knee injury being handled which took what I thought would
be a great pro career to something substantially less. Edwards' record in
bowl games is rather poor, I think he won about one-third of them. His record
the last few years of his career was pretty pedestrian, he even lost to the Utes
quite a number of times toward the end.But here's the ultimate
rub. I think it is unfair to expect a coach like Lavell Edwards. Even with a
couple of things I pointed out above, he's a great coach. Not just a great
coach but a special coach. And for Bronco to even approach or surpass in some
cases suggests something. Again, people outside the BYU bubble think highly of
BYU and think highly of Bronco often calling BYU's players "well
TroyO6:Just because you have given BYU a lot of money or your time
or emotional energy doesn't mean the players or coaches owe you anything.
I pay tithing and some of it goes to BYU. I'd rather make sure the players
are good citizens rather than good football players. My most disappointing BYU
moment this season is what happened at the Mexican restaurant, not any loss on
the field.I figure you are a part of the problem if anything. And
the way that many of these posters criticize a young man (Riley Nelson) is
tiresome. Enough already. He isn't a professional athlete making millions
of dollars. He has done nothing wrong but trying his best. I won't say
he's the best QB ever because he isn't. In fact I hope Lark gets a
shot to start, he deserves it. But I can't say what I read on these posts
supposedly by BYU fans about Nelson, Doman or Mendenhall is Christlike or
anything I want OUR faith to represent.
eagleYou are so spot on, all I can say is "Amen."
I am so frustrated that so relatively "many" THINK they see more than
the coaches and the players see. It is time to pull back into balance your
frustration with just not winning with the values this university, and the
church it represents, espouse.
Y Grad/Y Dad:Thanks for being one fan that is sane.TroyO6: Bronco has won 10 games a few times, BYU will have
another winning season this season--they even played the #1 team in the country
to a three point game at their place. The incident at the restaurant aside, his
players are generally good citizens and reach out to the community in meaningful
ways. Besides Utah, BYU hasn't lost to any team that is a poor team. San
Jose State will likely have 10 wins and their best season in program history. ND
is ranked #1 in the country and is 11-0. Boise State has lost two games all year
long, those losses coming by a combined six points. Oregon State is on the
verge of winning 10 games and is nationally ranked. The Cougs beat Utah State
which has won 10 games for the first time in school history. By any standards
HE IS DOING HIS JOB!
It's time to find a better offensive coordinator. Doman is terrible. His
schemes are predictable. Please for the love of the program, get rid of him and
find a seasoned coordinator. Riley was good, not great and never a deep threat.
He would have been better as a running back or receiver. BYU needs a better
caliber QB. This season was frankly dreadful. We beat pansies, and couldn't
beat good teams. In other words, this was a very average team. Boring to say the
least. Not even worth time to watch.
Eagle, I'm sure you are aware that none of your tithing dollars reach the
athletic department right? Yours either YDad - BTW your username is somewhat
arrogant driving home the stereotype of an obsorbed arrogant BYU fan. You don't know what is happening behind the scenes at practice and you
don't know the entire story of how Doman has treated certain players. Plus
I have not been un-"Christlike" in any of my posts regarding Bronco or
Doman. Did you know a certain BYU player midseason last year packed
everything into a box from Jake Heaps locker? Guess what he did with
Jake's stuff...it was dropped in Bronco's office with a hand written
note stating "I quite". Who do you think drove this student athlete to
empty Jake's locker? Are you aware of how the situation was handled by the
coaches? I'm not going to tell you. Please get off your holier
than thow pedestal.
@fenderUpper DI? LOL. The BCS has the upper DI schools. Not even
all those schools are Upper DI schools? Maybe once every 10-20years.
It is definitely not just Nelson's fault, but he has not been too
impressive. If he were a freshman, I think it would be fine, but this is just
ridiculous. I am personally tired of running QBs. Seeing James Lark made me
feel all depressed. We had this guy for 4 years, and when he gets his chance
and shines, it doesn't matter because he will be gone. He will probably
not start the bowl game either. I wish we could get a guy who is: 1) Not a run
first guy, and when he runs, can do it well. 2) Who can get a 6 touchdown, 0
pick performance, like James Lark, and 3) Know when to keep a play going and
when to throw it away or take a sack.
I hope Taysom throws more next year. I am tired of the "short pass,
Troy06????? Not sure about arrogant. I went to the Y, my kids went
to the Y. Not a huge creative leap there.The fact that you
imply/say you know something, but don't say what it is, doesn't make
for a significant reason to change my mind about anything. But it's just
one mind, and apparently an arrogant one to boot.You suggest I am
arrogant - fair enough, that could be. I'll have to take a closer
inventory and see what actions could be perceived as arrogant, and when they are
not in line with the values I respect, I'll repent and try to do better.
If my actions ARE in line with the values I espouse, then I will just have to
learn to live with unjustified criticism.I suggest the same for many
of the fans here who, I think, have allowed their passion for athletics to pull
them from the values I think they also cling to. I just don't think many
of us would like these words to come up in that inevitable last and final PPI.