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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 20 2012 6:15 p.m. MST

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Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

GiuseppeG. Asks:

“Explain again why Hobby Lobby has to pay for those choices when those choice violate the owners' personal morality. ...

Answer:

When you voluntarily choose to live in a civilized society and take part in the benefits and obligations of that society you are not going to agree with everything that society does. You have to weigh the good against the bad and make your own decision. No one can make you do anything you don’t want to do, but they can impose consequences on you if you do the undesired things.

The Constitution gives special status to churches and religions of God, but it does not give any such special status to business operations. However neither churches, business operations and especially individuals may be exempt from the law of the United States of America.

The idea of freedom of religion is to not allow any one to impose his religion on others.
The idea of being an American is to fairly share all the benefits and costs that come with the membership. But without agreement on being different, America would be a sham.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To Belching Cow 12:07 p.m. Nov. 21, 2012

@Mint Julip
"Women have the right to good and proper health care with decisions made between them and their medical providers."

No one has said otherwise. Hobby Lobby is providing it's employees with good and proper health care.

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Unless and until Hobby Lobby provides its employees with insurance for them and their families that includes all forms of contraception, incluing emergency contraception, it is not providing its employees with good and proper health care.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

Hobby Lobby is imposing NOTHING on anybody. They simply do not wish to pay for contraception for their employees. They should not be forced to do so.

Abe Sarvis
Cedar City, UT

I would simply urge any corporation that wishes to have full control of their employee relationships to take the company private and surrender the protections of corporate status. Then they can do what they want. As long as they are a corporation, with the legal protections included in that status, they exist at the pleasure of the government and are subject to any and all regulation thereby.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Ultra Bob says, "Business is owned by the society of people wherein the business is operated."

That is a socialist attitude, plain and simple. If we enact laws to that extent, we will be a socialist country.

You quote the first amendment, but then ignore the "free exercise clause". This does not mean just behind closed doors. That would be the Soviet Union style freedom, which was not freedom, and was socialism, to the extreme.

You ask, "Could an atheist ban his employees and customers from wearing or displaying any sort of other religious clothing, jewelry or activity, or race, or anything else."

Sure, it is a free country, and it is his business, despite what you may think.

Many businesses have taken moral stands, and they glean some customers and lose others. That is called freedom.

What he cannot do is force people to work for him or patronize his business.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@JoeBlow

IF the employer pays, provides coverage for medical insurance,
then they have every right to make decisions regarding what they pay for.

IF you don't like their coverage then don't work for that employer,

let the free market work.

The best employers with the best package will get the best employees.

and other employers get what they get.

Good and smart employers will make adjustments.

It's amazing the fears the left keeps shoving in everyone's face,

freedom means there will be risks and challenges.

But I would rather have freedom than live under leftest government control of everything and everyone.

L
Central, Utah

Would this set any precedent that the goverment would require an employeer to cover assisted sucide activities. Would objections have to be on religious grounds,or could an employeer determin that they just didn't want to be a part of that practice?

Maybe that is a "way-out" comparison, but say a half century ago the idea of covering a church for someone to have an abortion would have been considered 'way-out."

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

IF a worker earns a benefit, including medical coverage, then they have every right to make decisions regarding what now belongs to them.

The free market only works when there is real competition. Today, monopolies exist everywhere and there is a surplus of workers. Labor is unorganized. All of the options are on the side of big corporate power.

Good and smart employees can’t always afford to make adjustments.

I am amazed at the lack of empathy on the part of some who feel safe and comfortable. No person is an island. There are some who need to remember that.

Freedom does involve risks and challenges, but big money in America today stacks the deck in their favor. The attack on voting rights should be evidence enough to show that the common man’s freedom is not the goal. There are more options and outcomes than the choice between freedom and government control. The new corporate, oligarchical plutocracy is not free, nor fair, nor good for the future of our country.

A1994
Centerville, UT

Remind me again why I a private business has to buy your birth control? For crying out loud! Take some responsibility! It doesn't cost THAT much money that you need it subsidized by your fellow Americans. There is also a sure-fire way NOT to get pregnant. When did we become animals?

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Mint Julip

You are so wrong. Hobby Lobby is a PRIVATE business!!! Women who want contraception can buy it! Who are YOU to impose your beliefs on the rest of us?

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Midwest Mom

"IF a worker earns a benefit, including medical coverage, then they have every right to make decisions regarding what now belongs to them. "

If an employee signs a contract and agrees to certain benefits, that's the deal. Don't use the federal government to impose your values on everybody else. You are under the assumption that a company exists to provide jobs and benefits. A company is in business to make money for the owner. The job and benefits are a by-product of that goal. If a company wants to provide certain benefits, the woman seeking those benefits can apply for that job. It's the governments role to impose your will.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Christian 24-7., A1994

I can only ask that your seek the real facts for yourself.

Think of business as a highway. You may drive your own personal business on the highway but that does not give you ownership of the highway. The rules of the road are made by the owner of the highway.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

It is not that the employer does not want to pay for contraceptives; it is their belief that providing those contraceptives makes them an accessory to what they believe their religion teaches is a sin.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

If Viagra is covered, so should birth control.

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