Utah Utes football: Utes fall to Arizona, won't go bowling for first time in 10 years


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  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 21, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Whittigham deserves a raise.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    @mussing around

    The Fiesta Bowl wasn't the big name bowl 40 years ago.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 3:30 p.m.


    Maybe this makes more sense to those threatened by my statements of record swapping with schedule. Look at the bottom 5 opponents in Utah and BYU's schedule

    BYU's bottom five:

    New Mexico State
    Weber State
    Washington State

    Utah's bottom five:

    Northern Colorado
    Washington State

    Get it finally? There is no way anyone reasonable can dispute the bottom five. Look at both schedules. BYU is in Utah's bottom five. Who else would be there? Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, UCLA, USC and Oregon State have better records and schedules than BYU. On the flip side, there is no way you could put Utah is BYU's bottom five. Utah beat Washington State (like BYU did). Then you have the 4 patsies listed over and over.

    Utah, as bad as they are, would NOT lose to Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Those 4 teams are 5-37 against a WAC and Big Sky schedule. Hawaii's only win was against Lamar (Who?). Idaho's only win was against New Mexico State. New Mexico State's only win was against Sacramento State. And Weber State's only win was against Southern Utah. This is reality.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 21, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    Those games were 14 and 15 years ago. Utah played a great Boise State team that was better than the teams you reference; just 2 years ago. See the difference? Back in the day, BYU played good bowl opponents. It's been a while though; quite a while.

    The sad part is, both programs had a dissapointing year.

    Have a good Thanksgiving!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 21, 2012 10:29 a.m.


    It's funny that you fixate on "bcs bowls", yet completely fail to recognize the differences in bowl matchups, regardless of which bowl they're played in.

    For example: BYU and Utah have both played far better opponents in the Las Vegas Bowl, than Utah played in the Fiesta Bowl.

    Another example: Utah fans constantly beat their chests about how many bowl games Utah has won, while completely ignoring the fact, most of those teams were very mediocre.

    BYU has played more ranked teams in bowls than Utah has played bowls. The undefeated Tulane and Marshall teams that BYU played in the Liberty Bowl, were MUCH better teams than any team Utah has beaten in any bowl outside of the Sugar Bowl.

    Instead of fixating on labels like "bcs bowl" and "bcs team", you need to step outside of your crimson-colored bubble once in awhile long enough to see that labels don't really determine how good or how bad an individaul team is.

    There some very good teams in non-AQ conferences and there are some very bad teams in AQ conferences.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:09 a.m.


    Certainly no more laughable than a "legacy" "brand" program proudly proclaiming their "independence" and "exposure", then loudly announcing in advance they are ready for the NC game--or at least a Top-10 finish, only to rely on beating bad teams to qualify for their only bottom-tier bowl possibility.

    Still living in the 80's, eh?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    "It's interesting that the Utes have fallen so far in their continuing downward spiral that Utah fans are openly admitting that the only way the Utes can qualify for a "bottom-feeder" bowl is to play a slate full of patsies."


    Given the y's schedule with several #150+ teams, just in order to make a bowl, I admit the standard in the state has been set.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:41 p.m.


    BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 years before the Utes got there.


    Fiesta Bowl
    Oklahoma State (7-5) 16
    BYU (7-4-1) 6

    Those two teams wouldn't have sniffed a BCS Fiesta Bowl. Try making a BCS game before putting it down.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:20 p.m.


    At least get your facts straight. BYU was in the Fiesta Bowl 38 years ago and lost 16-6. It was not a BCS bowl; not even close. Utah played in the Fiesta bowl in 2005, in which the bowl was a top tier bowl.Considering the Sun Bowl paid out 4x what the Armed Forces bowl did, I guess that doens't say much for BYU. I'm sorry if you have to get in your time machine in an attemped debate, and I hope this lesson helps.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    "Why didn't you mention the Fiesta, Sugar or Sun Bowl?"

    BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 years before the Utes got there and the Sun Bowl has long since passed its glory days of being one the New Years Day bowls and is now nothing more than a minor bowl that offers an above average-sized pay check in a city that will never appear on anybody's list of fun places to visit.

    I'm sorry if your PAC 12 world is not as "Rosey" as Utah fans were expecting, but not everybody who disagrees with you is trying to pick a fight.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    So people are saying BYU fans come in here because Utah fans started it? What are you, five?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:05 a.m.


    Why didn't you mention the Fiesta, Sugar or Sun Bowl? Now that's curious, BYU will never play in any of those. And yes, any bowl is better than no bowl at all. A very disapointing season indeed. Why do you contantly troll the Utah threads, and try to pick a fight? It's a pretty sad M.O., but you do it well.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:10 a.m.


    "Too bad Utah didn't play one more patsie. Then, just like you, I could be watching my team play in a bottom-feeder bowl."

    It's interesting that the Utes have fallen so far in their continuing downward spiral that Utah fans are openly admitting that the only way the Utes can qualify for a "bottom-feeder" bowl is to play a slate full of patsies.

    The harsh reality of just how far the Utes have fallen in their continuing downward spiral is finally starting to settle in even amongst the most die-hard crimson glasses wearers.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:15 p.m.


    "Aren't you proud! You should send Christmas cards to... too bad Utah didn't play one more patsy..."

    The mighty Utes do play one more patsy (see Colorado), unfortunately for U, that still won't help U. Seeing how inept the Utes really are, it's laughable that anybody in Utah ever thought that the Utes would ever be anything more than cannon fodder for the big boys of the PAC 12.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:49 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Not much difference between the couch potato bowl, toilet bowl, and poinsettia bowl."


    Only a bitterly jealous Utah fan living in complete denial would try to equate not playing in a bowl, with playing in the Poinsettia Bowl. The truth is, if Utah had somehow managed to become bowl eligible, the Utes would have been thrilled to play in any bowl that would have had them.

    What's even more laughable is that SIX of the wins in that nine-game bowl winning streak that Utah fans used to beat their chests about incessantly, were won in bowls that Utah fans now talk about with such disdain:

    Las Vegas Bowl (1999, 2001)
    Poinsettia Bowl (2007, 2009)
    Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (2005)
    Armed Forces Bowl (2006)

    Maybe we should just wipe those bowls off of Utah's record, since winning a game in any of those bowls is no more significant than winning the coach potato bowl.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    Well i have been reading both these threads for several years now on both the trib and the d news and yes Utah fans did start it by coming on to byu threads and bashing everything byu or anything to do with the lds church well people BOTH schools were founded by the same man Brigham Young ,so Ute fans need to lighten up on the y thread and y fans need to lighten up on the Ute thread,the real person who started all this nonsense was Urban Meyer because of his hatred towards mormons in general, everybody just needs to knock it off,you all sound like 5 year old children

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    ". . . but BYU is still going to a bowl"


    Aren't you proud! You should send Christmas cards to Weber State (Sagarin #174), Idaho (#166) AND New Mexico State (#172) for getting the y over the 6-win hump (maybe--although with Riley, you never know).

    Too bad Utah didn't play one more patsie. Then, just like you, I could be watching my team play in a bottom-feeder bowl.

    And lest you gloat too much over your win over the Aggies, remember that the Utes DID beat a ranked team, back on September 15. However, that team then sank out of AP sight and haven't resurfaced.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    Not much difference between the couch potato bowl, toilet bowl, and poinsettia bowl. It must be frustrating to know whether you win 6 games, or 11, you end up in the same bottom feeder bowl.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:49 p.m.


    Someday, the kids on the hill will finally figure out that one game does not a season make.

    Utah State lost to BYU, but is having their greatest season since the 60's.

    BYU lost to Utah, but BYU is still going to a bowl.

    Enjoy the couch potato bowl! It's the only bowl that downward spiraling program on the hill will be invited to this year.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    ". . . the inexorable downward spiral continues"

    Christy B(lue):

    Were you also referring to the downward spiral (8-of-11 and 3-in-a-row) of your boys losing to the Utes?

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    I still find it creepy BYU fans are still trolling Utah pages. You honestly have nothing better to do? Go worry about and root for your team. These comment pages would be more fun and probably have more comments if there weren't so many negative people and trolls.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    It's frustrating, but we move past it. The biggest test for our team will be can we look past it or not? As a fan, I can but can the coaches and players and the people that actually matter? I hope we can. Really, I'm just rooting for us to do our best and play to our potential. This season was frustrating because we didn't do that. Let's keep our heads up and move on.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    "utah "fans' started this . . ."

    Ducky wonders why he has no credibility here. Just compare that statement to the first two comments posted on this story, shots by two y "fans". It speaks volumes about Ducky's unfamiliarity with facts and truth. So, as to his claim that he's NEVER whined about Utah fans posting disparaging comments on byu stories, I can only resort to well-used ducky-ism:


  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    2008 13-0 #2/#4
    2009 10-3 #18/#18
    2010 10-3 ur/#23
    2011 8-5 unranked
    2012 4-7 unranked, no bowl

    even though the inexorable downward spiral continues

    Utah 49
    Colorodo 7

    Mark it down!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:50 p.m.


    Amen Bro. Nice post and great way to look at it. Every program is entitled to have a stinker season every now and then. It's just something us Ute fans are not used too. I hope Whittingham figures it out. This team should not have lost 7 games. IMO

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    @Snack Pack

    You tell me? You are the one who trolls Utah threads and constantly takes shots at the Utes. What's that all about? Like you wouln't be saying boo if BYU actually beat Utah. Yeah, right.

  • rogerdpack Orem, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Too bad BYU lost in the same weekend or I'd be a little happier :)
    Ahh well, here's to hoping for better seasons next year.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Kid, kids, kids ... quit your whining and bickering or I'll stop this car. Oh, sorry my bad ... I thought I was somewhere else.


    "The Utesies are a sorry excuse for a football team. If it weren't for John White the 102nd, you would have maybe 2 wins since joining the Pac."

    I can't say I have always enjoyed your comments, but I need to credit you on that one. Even as a Ute fan, that comment had an element of truth and it actually made me laugh. Here's hoping my Utes don't have to rely on one player next year the way they've had to rely on JW4 the last two.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    @ Spokane Ute

    Yes, you had a successful season this year because you reached your #1 goal----beat BYU. Even though it was just by inches on a field goal that hit the upright, enjoy telling yourself that this was a good year---"U beat BYU." Repeat several times a quarter during every bowl game, along with two aspirin, and you'll feel much better after any of the many bowl games are over.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:11 a.m.


    "Seriously why are people happy we had a hard season?"

    Fans, universally, love seeing programs that have become way too full of themselves given a heaping serving of humble pie.

    Utah fans are simply receiving the just desserts of their own over-the-top arrogance.

  • cedarcityute cedar city, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:52 a.m.

    Seriously why are people happy we had a hard season? It's kinda sick that people are happy their own state's team lost. I guess that covers up that another team lost to who was it again? San Jose State? Don't be so happy that others are miserable. Let's stay positive and hope for a better year next year. For those whom don't want to stay behind our team, go ahead and root for someone else and give up your season tickets.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Jealous of what? Utah's return to their WAC days where playing BYU was Utah's bowl game. The only difference is now your bowl game is in September.

    I'll take the better record, ranking and real bowl game.

    NOBODY outside of the Wasatch Front, including your new "friends" in the PAC, even cares about the head-to-head.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:04 a.m.


    Bottom line is a lot of these kids on the hill don't have any problems with dishing it, but they whine like stuck pigs when they're forced to take it. They're getting just a tiny taste of the medicine they've been dishing for years, and they don't like it.

    Cry me a river!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    # Swoop

    The jealousy never stops...nor did we lose to BYU. It's pretty funny, even in our worst season in 12 years, we still beat byU. You can have the rankings; I'll take the Score Board.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:51 a.m.


    I told why it is like it is and you answered with nonsensical gibberish. Let me try again.

    utah "fans' started this, BYU fans are now responding. Whether or not BYU fans are now the bigger posters is not the issue, utah "fans" stated this and are now whining that they are getting the same treatment in return.

    Oh and I have never, not one single time, whined about utah "fans" posting their negative comments on BYU articles. Not once. You failed, like always.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:40 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Oh well, at least we didn't lose to San Jose State Middle School"

    The hill hyperbole never stops:

    #21 Arizona
    #24 Utah State
    #30 San Jose State
    #36 BYU
    #45 Utah
    #151 Colorado
    #165 Northern Colorado

    Unfortunately for U, beating Colorado in the toilet bowl still won't get U into a real bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    Oh well, at least we didn't lose to San Jose State Middle School

    Nov. 19, 2012 9:16 a.m.


    Go over to the y article and see who is whinning. You are getting your kicks that Utah had the down year, and you are happy that Utah has lost. But go check out the y fans on your article and you will see the biggest whinners on earth including yourself.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    The Utesies are a sorry excuse for a football team. If it weren't for John White the 102nd, you would have maybe 2 wins since joining the Pac.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Children, stop your bickering. Yes, both Utah and BYU will have tough schedules next year. But they will end with the same result as this year: BYU in a bowl, Utah watching on TV.

    As long as you are both OK with these results, why bicker?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:36 a.m.


    Schedule smack?

    Don't kid yourself; you couldn't possibily know who is going to be better than who next season.

    btw, the next shoe just dropped in the ever changing college football landscape.

    Maryland's Board of Regents unanamously approved the Terp's move to the Big Ten; Rutgers will follow.

    The SEC and Big 12 will pillage teams from the ACC, the ACC will replenish with teams from the Big East, and Boise State and San Diego State will be left second-guessing their move to the Big East before they've even played their first game in their new conference.

    Independence may not be the ideal situation for BYU, but it's certainly looking alot better than playing this seemingless endless conference realignment game of musical chairs.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:39 a.m.

    Also, it doesn't matter if BYU plays 8 solid teams in 2013, which they won't, because all they have to do is finish 2-6 in those to go bowling. That is because the other 3 or 4 games will be easy wins (i.e. the likes of Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, Weber State, and Middle Tennessee).

    Utah will play their warm up game each year like Northern Colorado. Then they will play the bottom feeders of the PAC 12 like Colorado and Washington State. Still, the last two are NOT penciled in wins for Utah like Idaho, Weber State and the others mentioned above are for BYU.

    The rest of Utah's conference schedule, rather the PAC 12 is done or not is better than Virginia, Houston, and Georgia Tech.

    Yes BYU will likely play Notre Dame and Texas barring a contract break up. Look, they are great opponents to play. But Utah has great opponents as well (i.e. Oregon, Stanford and USC). The middle tier Pac 12 teams like Arizona State, Washington, and UCLA (who is back) are better than Virginia, Houston and GT. Be realistic Alpine Coug. Still, I like your comments usually .

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:25 a.m.

    @Alpine Cougar

    BYU's 2013 schedule does look tougher than the first two years of independence, but the hype on the schedule being so supreme is overhyped.

    When I break down BYU's 2013 schedule I see holes yet to be filled by WAC teams. Some of the solid opponents have been rumored to back out of their match up with BYU (we will see).

    I would argue Utah has the tougher schedule next year. Remember Utah will play Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, and Arizona State next year.

    Here are the teams you say constitutes "the schedule better than Utah has ever had".

    Texas = big name program. Stanford has been better recently. Notre Dame, like Texas is a huge name (good for BYU), but Oregon, like Stanford has been better overall in recent years. Boise State is a nice match up although they faded this year. Are they better than USC? Wisconsin is a solid opponent. Now the rest? Georgia Tech, Houston and Virginia would all be at the bottom of the PAC 12 if there. BYU has Middle Tennessee and Hawaii. Please?USU might lose Gary Anderson. What other WAC teams will be added to the 2013 schedule yet?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:55 p.m.

    Alpine Coug,

    While BYUs schedule next year will certainly be its most challenging, the Utes' SOS will undoubtedly be higher.
    Road games against Oregon, Stanford, USC, Arizona and BYU. Home against Weber St (the only patsie of the year), USU, ASU, UCLA, Washington, Oregon State, and Colorado.
    The next two years Utah won't play two of the bottom three teams in the PAC-12 - Cal and WSU. Every team but two has spent time in the top 25 this season.
    There's a legitimate chance that Utah's SOS could be the highest in the country next year. And yes I'll say it, it's scary. But I wouldn't have it any other way.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:59 p.m.


    Ending the season with a win is always better then ending with a loss. The seniors are done but the underclassmen are still looking for their first road win of the season. Even if it's too late this year, a team needs to learn to win on the road.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    Utes don't deserve to go to a bowl game after a year of disappointing defense and an unimaginative offense that seemed to have only 5 or 6 plays in the playbook. That was enough to beat BYU but not enough to beat the teams in a Big Boy conference.

    Utes need more speed and athleticism at linebacker and much more creativity on offense. Let's throw in a offensive lineman or two also.

    Congrats goes to USU who proved to be the best team in the State this year. By far.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    Wait, what??? Chris B said that Utah would be PAC South champions. How can it be that the PAC South champs aren't playing in a bowl game. That can be right, can it?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    I love the whining by utah "fans" about BYU fans posting on these articles. Very funny. Just remember until a couple of years ago no BYU fans ever posted on utah articles, none of us. For that matter no one at all ever posted on utah articles. There were routninely about 5-6 posts total on any utah article. On the otherhand there were always 50-100 posts on BYU articles and a large percentage of them were such allustrous utah "fans" as christina b, hedehog, naval vet, etc. Those great utah "fans" inspired the BYU fans, they showed us how it is done. They were the leaders, the trend setters, the ones who established what these boards would be and how they would be used. BYU fans are simply responding in kind, doing what we were taught to do by the true greats of comment board posting etiquette.

    It is what it is utah "fans" and you are the pioneers. You showed us the way. Embrace your legacy.

    Nov. 18, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    I have followed articles on Utah in both the DN and he Trib all year. Can say that although there are 'trolls' responding at both papers (and, to be fair an equal number of trolls on the Y articles); there is no contest. The U haters in the DN are far more vocal, more obnoxious, and post in greate numbers than compared to the Trib. Seems like there are 10 or more that can't wait for a new article so they can make a post.

    For those that fit this description and are true BYU fans; you need to look in the mirror and ask think about what a fine example you are setting as a representative of a Christian based faith. For the same fans that are so proud of the BYU honor code, you don't feel that you need to abide by the same principles in your life.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    @ gdog

    I'm glad to see that you are happy that Utah achieved their #1 goal this year (by inches on a missed field goal that clanked off the goal post) and that was----as always and forever----beating BYU.

    How'd you do against USU (who BYU defeated)?

    How'd you do in your elite "BCS Conference" play?

    How'd you do in your dinky 45,000 seat stadium? Did you win at home?

    Remind us again.....what years did you win BCS bowls? The relevance of that has evaporated and I can't quite remember when it was exactly.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    "... but we should take care of the Buffs next week to get 'some' momentum going into the off-season."

    I'm dying to know what momentum can be had from beating Colorado? LOL

  • Bubba14 PROVO, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:20 p.m.

    Hey Utah, the PAC 12 called. They want their money back. LOL!

  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 18, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    Get used to having your Decembers free, Utah fans. You can't hang with the likes of us. #GoSunDevils

    Nov. 18, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Alpine Coug, not trying to split hairs here, because yes, BYU's schedule next year will be tough, but citing eight BCS conference teams (even though Notre Dame technically is not, but I get your point) as "far exceed(ing) any schedule Utah has ever had"? The Pac-12 plays a 9 game conference schedule, meaning that every team already plays at least 9 BCS conference teams. And if you match up each of those opponents, if this year is any indication: Oregon will be better than Notre Dame, Stanford will be better than Texas, USC is better than Wisconsin, UCLA will be better than Boise, Oregon State will be better than Georgia Tech, Arizona State will be better than Virginia, Arizona is better than Houston, and we both play Utah State.

    Yes it is a tough schedule, whether you consider it tougher than Utah's, all we can say is welcome to our world. You'll find out what it is like soon enough, and decide whether that's what you want to continue with or not. I find the challenge exciting, but the sentiment of many BYU fans seems to be that wins, regardless of the opponent, is their preference.

  • RobertSailing Orem, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    GO UTES, we can win the national championship next year! I don't care if you did not make a bowl this year, we may have sucked, but so what. GO UTES

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 18, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    Lots of Coug fans celebrating on this article. I guess misery loves company. Frankly, Utah performed about as expected this and last year. BYU, on the other hand, squandered a defense good enough for great season if the offense had only been average (BYU average, that is).

    So Coug fans, lay off the Utes. Look at the BYU schedule next year and pray for divine guidance. We're gonna need it.

    Oh and hoops doesn't look so good either.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    @ gdog3finally
    @ motorbike

    You are both correct about this years schedule, but BYU's 2013 schedule will far exceed any schedule Utah has ever had.

    In 2013 BYU will play: Texas - Notre Dame - Boise State - Georgia Tech - Wisconsin - Utah - Houston - Virginia = 8 BCS Conference opponents (Houston-BSU new in Big East). As well as the new local powerhouse Utah State. Middle TN State and Hawaii may be the only cream puffs. Hope we have a QB by the start of the season (Taysom Hill?) and that Kyle Van Noy decides to stay for his final season.

    Actually, as a long time Cougar fan, I also root for Utah and look forward to the not too distant future when both once again return to revelancy and become perennial Top 25 teams!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    Funny to see coug fans make fun of the Utes when their team will only end up with 2 more victories with a far less challenging schedule.
    The truth is this, BYU and Utah are very close in talent this year, their head to head matchup accurately sums that up. Swap schedules and I think you'd have seen very similar results. Utah wins 7 or 8 and BYU wins 4 or 5. I'd still rather walk away with 5 wins having seen great opponents and great games while also knowing how satisfying it will be when Utah has a break through year ... and yes, I believe that will indeed happen but not next year, Utah's schedule may end up being the toughest in the country.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    Countless BYU fans say Utah lives for BYU's failures. From what I read on these posts each time Utah loses from BYU fans, the comparisons are hypocritical. Seriously, read all of these comments by BYU fans on this Utah article (after losing to San Jose State no less). I know that little WAC team is formidable, but ya'll are looking silly.

    Here is the thing. Both Utah and BYU are bad. Both Bronco and Kyle lost their players this year, and that is hard to fix in the future without big name player support or new blood coming in that responds extremely well.

    Still, the truth is, as bad as Utah has been, they would be bowling with BYU's schedule. BYU played tough teams, I get that, but those were losses. The automatic wins were still built in. Utah played an easy Washington State game. BYU played them as well. I know the PAC 12 is not the SEC or BIG 12, but Utah's schedule is still tougher than that of BYU. Utah played Northern Colorado (penciled win). But BYU played Weber State, Idaho and New Mexico State.

    Remember Utah has 8 of the last 11 head to head.

  • Dantley Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    I feel that the biggest problem is that Whit did not trust his team enough. Trick plays are to be used only when the other team does not expect them. When you run them all the time, then the opposing team will begin to think that every play is a trick play. When the Utes were only down by three, why would you run a fake punt on your own 40 with plenty of time left?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    Is Blechen transfering to either Colorado or Washington?

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    Two For Flinching:

    I see your point but sometimes trick plays disguise a pedestrian offensive scheme. It is apparent that Wilson is still developing his skills. He rarely goes to a second or third option on passing plays. Sometimes coaches will try trick plays when the regular offense just isn't working or complex enough to keep the opponent's defense guessing and adjusting. I agree that many trick plays were used and many didn't work. I think we both see a problem. I think the imagination I think is lacking is a complex passing and running scheme say that Arizona possessed last night and since that is lacking, flea flickers, reverses and such are often used in order to try to get cheap scores (and they often backfire badly)...

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    Utah losing to Arizona? Unfortunate, but not unexpected.
    BYU losing to SJSU? Pure comedy gold.
    Congrats to the Aggies on their season. They are the best in the state.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:02 p.m.


    I disagree about the play calling. I thought that is was often too imaginative. Don't forget the hook and ladders and reverses we tried to run while inside the 5-yard line....

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    Chris B is busy writing things down.

    Next year he'll emerge as an Aggie fan.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    Generally, I think Whittingham is one of the best coaches in the country. Bu--and there is a but, he has made some curious decisions on both the macro and micro level.

    First, is Brian Johnson at age 25 really ready to be an offensive coordinator? I think the kid has a brilliant future ahead of him but he's over his head right now.

    I think Utah went into a downward spiral with its QB situation with how it handled Corbin Loucks. If Wynn stayed healthy maybe things would have worked out differently but a few years back is when the dominos of this quarterback mess started. I agree they should have stayed with Hays and even tried to redshirt Wilson. Hays wasn't spectacular but I can't imagine that Utah wouldn't be bowl eligible with him at the helm.

    Let Fakahafua play offense as well, he has amazing ball skills.

    On the micro level, game management decisions were off, like the fake punt. It didn't work and Utah's season was doomed. Play calling was unimaginative all year. Davonte Christopher was a huge disappointment and even Star didn't live up to billing.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Well the simple fact is we have some major problems, and it starts from the coaching down. The defense was exposed except against BYU, WSU, and Cal. Which was a shock considering the defense was supposed to be the strongest part of this team.

    Hiring Brian Johnson was a huge mistake, he's not ready to lead a PAC-12 offense. I see the same issues next year, this looks like a 3-4 year learning curve.

    All year long this team lacked discipline and accountability. How many times did Utah commit a personal foul on big plays. We had one yesterday by our Starr player.

    Season 2 Conclusion: Failure on offense, defense, and special teams with poor coaching all around. As of today I think this continues into next season, I can't see us winning more than 6 games with Stanford and Oregon on the schedule as well. Weber State, @BYU, and Utah State will decided if we win less than 6 games.

  • AZCoug Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    It looks like Sarkisian and Anae are the only Cougars to beat the Utes this season.

    Nov. 18, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    Yes, a real classy bunch. Let it go. Its the only way they can make themselves feel better about where their program is headed.
    As for the Utes, realistically it will be three to five years before they compete consistently in this conference - and I will be enjoying the process. I'll be curious about any changes in the assistant coaching ranks in the off season. AND, how about thse Aggies?!! Coach Anderson has them playing!

  • TBAnnounced9 Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    @gdog. Agree that Wilson was thrown in too early. Coaches should have used Hays more. Put them both on the field. Defense disappointed in key games.

    Season not lost. Very entertaining to watch Utes play against big name opponents. PAC-12 is tough! Utes will recruit 3-star athletes that are passed over by USC, UCLA, etc. Coaching needs to be excellent to create competitive team with 2nd-tier athletes. And build depth chart. Future seasons look promising and challenging, if Ute AD can recruit and keep good coaches.

    beats losing to San Jose St even during their rare "good years". Everything happening in Provo shows extremely poor football judgment. This former fan won't even change the channel to watch Y games now.

    Nov. 18, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    That said, however, give credit to Arizona. Ka'Deem Carey was very impressive, and they came up with the stops when they needed them. Whether it's extrinsically (firing/hiring) or intrinsically, the Utes coaching staff will have to improve a lot to make it back to bowl eligibility next year, and the players need to have better senior leadership (looking at you, Blechen, Joe Kruger and Trevor Reilly).

    Nov. 18, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    As far as penalties go, and letting the players play, I was fairly pleased with the officiating, but they did a terrible job of managing the game, and let Arizona do whatever they wanted to. Many times substitutions looked like a hockey match, and gave Utah no chance to sub players to match up. The worst, however, especially considering UA only led by one touchdown in the last few minutes, was when Blechen's helmet came off, and they made him come off the field, but allowed Arizona to run a play in for a TD without allowing someone to sub in for him. I've hated that rule all year, but if you're going to enforce it at all, it has to be done correctly. And lastly, not that it mattered much as we were down 2 possessions on the last drive anyway, but they let the last seconds run off the clock with Utah trying to run a play, but a defender tied his legs up with John White's to keep him on the ground for 10+ seconds as the time ran off.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    Congrats, Utes! You did better than I thought you would.

  • cowboy51 Laporte, CO
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    If you look at the comments of the two main stories about the cougars loss to San Jose state and the utes loss to Arizona. BYU fans are ripping their own program and then making fun of the program they lost to. Stay classy BYU fans. No comments from utes fans ripping BYU.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    Dixie Dan

    What are you saying? Utah failed to reel in the top rated O lineman in Utah (going to Arizona), the top QB (Alabama), the top linebacker (Stanford) and the jury's still out on the top D lineman. They're not getting the best of what's right in front of them.

  • Wow, that was awful Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    The gushing arrogance of the Ute fans in this valley has run dry.
    Easy run to the Rose Bowl, undefeated season, all they had to do was beat USC at home!

    I guess the Poinsetta Bowl would look pretty nice right about now, eh Utah fan?

  • region1fan Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    I only got to see the game from the time just before Utah took the 24-17 lead. From that time forward there was no defense played by the Utes much like the Washington game.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Aaaand it's gone!

    So long to the glory seasons of Ute football. They went MIA when the Utes left the MWC.

    So sad to see what greed and the pursuit of glamour does to a program.

    Not too pretty is it and what will the money buy?

    Some shiny things and more junk to hang off the light posts downtown SLC.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    @ChrisB - I sure hope you'll offer me that refund on my airfare/bowl tickets!

  • Chris B, Jr. Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    It sad to say, but this "no bowling" might be the trend for the next 3-5 years, unless Whitt goes.

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    At least the Utes can look forward to an exciting season on the hard court.

  • ArizonaRed Prescott Valley, AZ
    Nov. 18, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Yes, welcome to the Pac-12. For all your trash talking about the then Pac-10 and how your conference was stronger...........here you go........you got your wish.......1 win, 10 losses. Go Cats!

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 7:04 a.m.

    Utah needs to expand its recruiting outside of the Wasatch area. When over 60% of their recruits played within 50 miles of the school, they need to look beyond what little local talent there is.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Nov. 18, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    Sad year for both the Utes and the Cougs! I hope it's not a prelude to what the future holds for both teams. On the other hand, how bout them Aggies? I guess we can all be proud there's at least one Utah school that's looking really good.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 5:58 a.m.


    You can mark this down: ESPN will be calling Holmoe about getting its money back.

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:51 a.m.

    @Joe Schmoe:

    20 - 14

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:04 a.m.

    I am grateful to have Whittingham as Utah's coach, and I am a ways away for wanting Utah to make a change at the top, but Whit has mismanaged the Utes in an awful way this year.

    Whittingham went to Travis Wilson too early when Hays would have won two more ball games. Utah's O line was terrible during the first month of the year. Whit IV was banged up at the same time. Then when the line got things clicking and White IV got healthy, Whit went with Wilson when Utah was only 0-2 in conference. Wilson opened up in Pasadena (not the right time for a freshman).

    Utah played well at UCLA and Oregon State except for Wilson. Utah was the better team on both sides of the ball @OSU, but the Wilson turnovers were too much to overcome. Oregon State was up 14-0 and they didn't even have 20 yards of offense as Utah gave the ball away inside their own 10 twice. Then after cutting the lead 14-7 Utah had 1st and goal from the 3 when Christopher could have walked in for the tie and fumbled.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:49 a.m.

    Utes will play the Colorado Bowl next week;

    Colorado 10
    Utah 42

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:49 a.m.

    PAC seems to be regaining its glory days. Oregon and Stanford look like they are built to last. Give Washington two more years and Sark will challenge for the North. Oregon State seems to be good every 3 or 4 years.

    UCLA made a huge jump this year. AZ and ASU are much improved. Kiffin is already on the hot seat, because anything less than a big bowl is not acceptable at USC.

    Not intended to be mean spirited, but I don't see too many winning seasons in the coming years. I think WSU, CO, Cal and Utah are doomed to be middle / bottom of an improved PAC for a while. Each may have a good year or two in the next decade. But there will be more years below 500 than above.

    No need to bring the Cougs into the conversation. With next years schedule (that rivals many AQ schools), big losses on the D side and a new QB; a winning record will be a successful season.

  • flynn is the coolest San Diego, CA
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:41 a.m.

    Well Utes, at least you beat BYU- the season was not a complete loss.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:36 a.m.

    Utah 4-7. My only joy and consolation this football season. Keep up the good work. :)

  • Why would I? Farmington, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:19 a.m.

    Why would I even believe Utah at 2 - 5 in the PAC Twelve would have a chance playing against the likes of Arizona? They couldn't beat Colorado last year in SLC so why should they suddenly be able to beat Arizona? They may even lose to the Buffs in Boulder this next week. Wouldn't that be enough to make them natural rivals----the two bottom feeders and the last two picked to be in the PAC 12 and the ones everyone else is in the conference asking "why exactly were they invited?" If Colorado does win Utah will have to win the next THREE to finally get over .500 against them. Serious stuff.

    As far as bowling, they needed a rest. It was getting too much for their fans to brag about. Now they can just go back to "We have two BCS wins." That's much less complicated and easier to say and impresses folks just as much (hardly at all).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    Disappointing season but we should take care of the Buffs next week to get 'some' momentum going into the off-season. This team lacks toughness and speed. Hopefully both of those things are addressed.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Nov. 18, 2012 12:08 a.m.

    Chris B,

    Cheer up little guy. You can cheer on your second favorite team in their bowl game now that your utes can't go bowling this year.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Nov. 17, 2012 11:52 p.m.

    But Chris B told me to mark it down, so I did.

    Good thing Utah won its bowl game back in September.