Whittigham deserves a raise.
@mussing aroundThe Fiesta Bowl wasn't the big name bowl 40
@oppositionMaybe this makes more sense to those threatened by my
statements of record swapping with schedule. Look at the bottom 5 opponents in
Utah and BYU's scheduleBYU's bottom five:IdahoNew Mexico StateWeber StateHawaiiWashington
State Utah's bottom five:Northern ColoradoColoradoWashington StateCaliforniaBYUGet it
finally? There is no way anyone reasonable can dispute the bottom five. Look at
both schedules. BYU is in Utah's bottom five. Who else would be there?
Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, UCLA, USC and Oregon State have better
records and schedules than BYU. On the flip side, there is no way you could put
Utah is BYU's bottom five. Utah beat Washington State (like BYU did). Then
you have the 4 patsies listed over and over. Utah, as bad as they
are, would NOT lose to Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Those 4
teams are 5-37 against a WAC and Big Sky schedule. Hawaii's only win was
against Lamar (Who?). Idaho's only win was against New Mexico State. New
Mexico State's only win was against Sacramento State. And Weber
State's only win was against Southern Utah. This is reality.
RockwellThose games were 14 and 15 years ago. Utah played a great Boise
State team that was better than the teams you reference; just 2 years ago. See
the difference? Back in the day, BYU played good bowl opponents. It's been
a while though; quite a while.The sad part is, both programs had a
dissapointing year. Have a good Thanksgiving!
UteologyIt's funny that you fixate on "bcs bowls", yet
completely fail to recognize the differences in bowl matchups, regardless of
which bowl they're played in.For example: BYU and Utah have
both played far better opponents in the Las Vegas Bowl, than Utah played in the
Fiesta Bowl.Another example: Utah fans constantly beat their chests
about how many bowl games Utah has won, while completely ignoring the fact, most
of those teams were very mediocre. BYU has played more ranked teams
in bowls than Utah has played bowls. The undefeated Tulane and Marshall teams
that BYU played in the Liberty Bowl, were MUCH better teams than any team Utah
has beaten in any bowl outside of the Sugar Bowl.Instead of fixating
on labels like "bcs bowl" and "bcs team", you need to step
outside of your crimson-colored bubble once in awhile long enough to see that
labels don't really determine how good or how bad an individaul team is.
There some very good teams in non-AQ conferences and there are some
very bad teams in AQ conferences.
Anti:Certainly no more laughable than a "legacy"
"brand" program proudly proclaiming their "independence" and
"exposure", then loudly announcing in advance they are ready for the NC
game--or at least a Top-10 finish, only to rely on beating bad teams to qualify
for their only bottom-tier bowl possibility.Still living in the
"It's interesting that the Utes have fallen so far in their continuing
downward spiral that Utah fans are openly admitting that the only way the Utes
can qualify for a "bottom-feeder" bowl is to play a slate full of
patsies."Swoop:Given the y's schedule with
several #150+ teams, just in order to make a bowl, I admit the standard in the
state has been set.
@mussingaroundBYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 years before the Utes
got there.------------Fiesta BowlOklahoma State
(7-5) 16BYU (7-4-1) 6Those two teams wouldn't have
sniffed a BCS Fiesta Bowl. Try making a BCS game before putting it down.
mussingaroundAt least get your facts straight. BYU was in the Fiesta
Bowl 38 years ago and lost 16-6. It was not a BCS bowl; not even close. Utah
played in the Fiesta bowl in 2005, in which the bowl was a top tier
bowl.Considering the Sun Bowl paid out 4x what the Armed Forces bowl did, I
guess that doens't say much for BYU. I'm sorry if you have to get in
your time machine in an attemped debate, and I hope this lesson helps.
"Why didn't you mention the Fiesta, Sugar or Sun Bowl?"BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl 30 years before the Utes got there and the Sun
Bowl has long since passed its glory days of being one the New Years Day bowls
and is now nothing more than a minor bowl that offers an above average-sized pay
check in a city that will never appear on anybody's list of fun places to
visit.I'm sorry if your PAC 12 world is not as "Rosey"
as Utah fans were expecting, but not everybody who disagrees with you is trying
to pick a fight.
So people are saying BYU fans come in here because Utah fans started it? What
are you, five?
LonestarWhy didn't you mention the Fiesta, Sugar or Sun Bowl?
Now that's curious, BYU will never play in any of those. And yes, any bowl
is better than no bowl at all. A very disapointing season indeed. Why do you
contantly troll the Utah threads, and try to pick a fight? It's a pretty
sad M.O., but you do it well.
JohnInSLC"Too bad Utah didn't play one more patsie. Then,
just like you, I could be watching my team play in a bottom-feeder bowl."It's interesting that the Utes have fallen so far in their
continuing downward spiral that Utah fans are openly admitting that the only way
the Utes can qualify for a "bottom-feeder" bowl is to play a slate full
of patsies.The harsh reality of just how far the Utes have fallen in
their continuing downward spiral is finally starting to settle in even amongst
the most die-hard crimson glasses wearers.
JohninSLC"Aren't you proud! You should send Christmas cards
to... too bad Utah didn't play one more patsy..."The mighty
Utes do play one more patsy (see Colorado), unfortunately for U, that still
won't help U. Seeing how inept the Utes really are, it's laughable
that anybody in Utah ever thought that the Utes would ever be anything more than
cannon fodder for the big boys of the PAC 12.
Spokane Ute"Not much difference between the couch potato bowl,
toilet bowl, and poinsettia bowl."LOL!Only a
bitterly jealous Utah fan living in complete denial would try to equate not
playing in a bowl, with playing in the Poinsettia Bowl. The truth is, if Utah
had somehow managed to become bowl eligible, the Utes would have been thrilled
to play in any bowl that would have had them.What's even more
laughable is that SIX of the wins in that nine-game bowl winning streak that
Utah fans used to beat their chests about incessantly, were won in bowls that
Utah fans now talk about with such disdain:Las Vegas Bowl (1999,
2001)Poinsettia Bowl (2007, 2009)Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (2005)Armed Forces Bowl (2006)Maybe we should just wipe those bowls off
of Utah's record, since winning a game in any of those bowls is no more
significant than winning the coach potato bowl.
Well i have been reading both these threads for several years now on both the
trib and the d news and yes Utah fans did start it by coming on to byu threads
and bashing everything byu or anything to do with the lds church well people
BOTH schools were founded by the same man Brigham Young ,so Ute fans need to
lighten up on the y thread and y fans need to lighten up on the Ute thread,the
real person who started all this nonsense was Urban Meyer because of his hatred
towards mormons in general, everybody just needs to knock it off,you all sound
like 5 year old children
". . . but BYU is still going to a bowl"anymous:Aren't you proud! You should send Christmas cards to Weber State (Sagarin
#174), Idaho (#166) AND New Mexico State (#172) for getting the y over the 6-win
hump (maybe--although with Riley, you never know). Too bad Utah
didn't play one more patsie. Then, just like you, I could be watching my
team play in a bottom-feeder bowl. And lest you gloat too much over
your win over the Aggies, remember that the Utes DID beat a ranked team, back on
September 15. However, that team then sank out of AP sight and haven't
Not much difference between the couch potato bowl, toilet bowl, and poinsettia
bowl. It must be frustrating to know whether you win 6 games, or 11, you end up
in the same bottom feeder bowl.
JohnInSLCSomeday, the kids on the hill will finally figure out that
one game does not a season make.Utah State lost to BYU, but is
having their greatest season since the 60's.BYU lost to Utah,
but BYU is still going to a bowl.Enjoy the couch potato bowl!
It's the only bowl that downward spiraling program on the hill will be
invited to this year.
". . . the inexorable downward spiral continues"Christy
B(lue):Were you also referring to the downward spiral (8-of-11 and
3-in-a-row) of your boys losing to the Utes?
I still find it creepy BYU fans are still trolling Utah pages. You honestly
have nothing better to do? Go worry about and root for your team. These comment
pages would be more fun and probably have more comments if there weren't so
many negative people and trolls.
It's frustrating, but we move past it. The biggest test for our team will
be can we look past it or not? As a fan, I can but can the coaches and players
and the people that actually matter? I hope we can. Really, I'm just
rooting for us to do our best and play to our potential. This season was
frustrating because we didn't do that. Let's keep our heads up and
"utah "fans' started this . . ."Ducky wonders why
he has no credibility here. Just compare that statement to the first two
comments posted on this story, shots by two y "fans". It speaks volumes
about Ducky's unfamiliarity with facts and truth. So, as to his claim that
he's NEVER whined about Utah fans posting disparaging comments on byu
stories, I can only resort to well-used ducky-ism:LOL!!!
2008 13-0 #2/#42009 10-3 #18/#182010 10-3 ur/#232011 8-5
unranked2012 4-7 unranked, no bowleven though the inexorable
downward spiral continuesUtah 49Colorodo 7Mark it
@CedarcityUteAmen Bro. Nice post and great way to look at it. Every
program is entitled to have a stinker season every now and then. It's just
something us Ute fans are not used too. I hope Whittingham figures it out. This
team should not have lost 7 games. IMO
@Snack PackYou tell me? You are the one who trolls Utah threads and
constantly takes shots at the Utes. What's that all about? Like you
wouln't be saying boo if BYU actually beat Utah. Yeah, right.
Too bad BYU lost in the same weekend or I'd be a little happier :)Ahh
well, here's to hoping for better seasons next year.
Kid, kids, kids ... quit your whining and bickering or I'll stop this car.
Oh, sorry my bad ... I thought I was somewhere else.@jarka-rus"The Utesies are a sorry excuse for a football team. If it
weren't for John White the 102nd, you would have maybe 2 wins since joining
the Pac."I can't say I have always enjoyed your comments,
but I need to credit you on that one. Even as a Ute fan, that comment had an
element of truth and it actually made me laugh. Here's hoping my Utes
don't have to rely on one player next year the way they've had to rely
on JW4 the last two.
@ Spokane UteYes, you had a successful season this year because you
reached your #1 goal----beat BYU. Even though it was just by inches on a field
goal that hit the upright, enjoy telling yourself that this was a good
year---"U beat BYU." Repeat several times a quarter during every bowl
game, along with two aspirin, and you'll feel much better after any of the
many bowl games are over.
cedarcityute"Seriously why are people happy we had a hard
season?"Fans, universally, love seeing programs that have become
way too full of themselves given a heaping serving of humble pie.Utah fans are simply receiving the just desserts of their own over-the-top
Seriously why are people happy we had a hard season? It's kinda sick that
people are happy their own state's team lost. I guess that covers up that
another team lost to who was it again? San Jose State? Don't be so happy
that others are miserable. Let's stay positive and hope for a better year
next year. For those whom don't want to stay behind our team, go ahead and
root for someone else and give up your season tickets.
Spokane UteJealous of what? Utah's return to their WAC days
where playing BYU was Utah's bowl game. The only difference is now your
bowl game is in September.I'll take the better record, ranking
and real bowl game.NOBODY outside of the Wasatch Front, including
your new "friends" in the PAC, even cares about the head-to-head.
DuckhunterBottom line is a lot of these kids on the hill don't
have any problems with dishing it, but they whine like stuck pigs when
they're forced to take it. They're getting just a tiny taste of the
medicine they've been dishing for years, and they don't like it.Cry me a river!
# SwoopThe jealousy never stops...nor did we lose to BYU. It's
pretty funny, even in our worst season in 12 years, we still beat byU. You can
have the rankings; I'll take the Score Board.
@mlhI told why it is like it is and you answered with nonsensical
gibberish. Let me try again.utah "fans' started this, BYU
fans are now responding. Whether or not BYU fans are now the bigger posters is
not the issue, utah "fans" stated this and are now whining that they are
getting the same treatment in return.Oh and I have never, not one
single time, whined about utah "fans" posting their negative comments on
BYU articles. Not once. You failed, like always.
Spokane Ute"Oh well, at least we didn't lose to San Jose
State Middle School"The hill hyperbole never stops:#21 Arizona#24 Utah State#30 San Jose State#36 BYU#45
Utah#151 Colorado#165 Northern ColoradoUnfortunately for
U, beating Colorado in the toilet bowl still won't get U into a real bowl.
Oh well, at least we didn't lose to San Jose State Middle School
DuckhunterGo over to the y article and see who is whinning. You are
getting your kicks that Utah had the down year, and you are happy that Utah has
lost. But go check out the y fans on your article and you will see the biggest
whinners on earth including yourself.
The Utesies are a sorry excuse for a football team. If it weren't for John
White the 102nd, you would have maybe 2 wins since joining the Pac.
Children, stop your bickering. Yes, both Utah and BYU will have tough schedules
next year. But they will end with the same result as this year: BYU in a bowl,
Utah watching on TV.As long as you are both OK with these results,
StGtoSLCSchedule smack?Don't kid yourself; you
couldn't possibily know who is going to be better than who next season.btw, the next shoe just dropped in the ever changing college football
landscape.Maryland's Board of Regents unanamously approved the
Terp's move to the Big Ten; Rutgers will follow.The SEC and Big
12 will pillage teams from the ACC, the ACC will replenish with teams from the
Big East, and Boise State and San Diego State will be left second-guessing their
move to the Big East before they've even played their first game in their
new conference.Independence may not be the ideal situation for BYU,
but it's certainly looking alot better than playing this seemingless
endless conference realignment game of musical chairs.
Also, it doesn't matter if BYU plays 8 solid teams in 2013, which they
won't, because all they have to do is finish 2-6 in those to go bowling.
That is because the other 3 or 4 games will be easy wins (i.e. the likes of
Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, Weber State, and Middle
Tennessee).Utah will play their warm up game each year like Northern
Colorado. Then they will play the bottom feeders of the PAC 12 like Colorado and
Washington State. Still, the last two are NOT penciled in wins for Utah like
Idaho, Weber State and the others mentioned above are for BYU. The
rest of Utah's conference schedule, rather the PAC 12 is done or not is
better than Virginia, Houston, and Georgia Tech. Yes BYU will likely
play Notre Dame and Texas barring a contract break up. Look, they are great
opponents to play. But Utah has great opponents as well (i.e. Oregon, Stanford
and USC). The middle tier Pac 12 teams like Arizona State, Washington, and UCLA
(who is back) are better than Virginia, Houston and GT. Be realistic Alpine
Coug. Still, I like your comments usually .
@Alpine CougarBYU's 2013 schedule does look tougher than the
first two years of independence, but the hype on the schedule being so supreme
is overhyped.When I break down BYU's 2013 schedule I see holes
yet to be filled by WAC teams. Some of the solid opponents have been rumored to
back out of their match up with BYU (we will see). I would argue
Utah has the tougher schedule next year. Remember Utah will play Oregon,
Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, and Arizona State next year. Here are
the teams you say constitutes "the schedule better than Utah has ever
had". Texas = big name program. Stanford has been better
recently. Notre Dame, like Texas is a huge name (good for BYU), but Oregon, like
Stanford has been better overall in recent years. Boise State is a nice match up
although they faded this year. Are they better than USC? Wisconsin is a solid
opponent. Now the rest? Georgia Tech, Houston and Virginia would all be at the
bottom of the PAC 12 if there. BYU has Middle Tennessee and Hawaii. Please?USU
might lose Gary Anderson. What other WAC teams will be added to the 2013
Alpine Coug,While BYUs schedule next year will certainly be its most
challenging, the Utes' SOS will undoubtedly be higher. Road games
against Oregon, Stanford, USC, Arizona and BYU. Home against Weber St (the only
patsie of the year), USU, ASU, UCLA, Washington, Oregon State, and Colorado.The next two years Utah won't play two of the bottom three teams in the
PAC-12 - Cal and WSU. Every team but two has spent time in the top 25 this
season. There's a legitimate chance that Utah's SOS could be the
highest in the country next year. And yes I'll say it, it's scary. But
I wouldn't have it any other way.
SammyEnding the season with a win is always better then ending with
a loss. The seniors are done but the underclassmen are still looking for their
first road win of the season. Even if it's too late this year, a team
needs to learn to win on the road.
Utes don't deserve to go to a bowl game after a year of disappointing
defense and an unimaginative offense that seemed to have only 5 or 6 plays in
the playbook. That was enough to beat BYU but not enough to beat the teams in a
Big Boy conference.Utes need more speed and athleticism at
linebacker and much more creativity on offense. Let's throw in a offensive
lineman or two also.Congrats goes to USU who proved to be the best
team in the State this year. By far.
Wait, what??? Chris B said that Utah would be PAC South champions. How can it be
that the PAC South champs aren't playing in a bowl game. That can be right,
I love the whining by utah "fans" about BYU fans posting on these
articles. Very funny. Just remember until a couple of years ago no BYU fans ever
posted on utah articles, none of us. For that matter no one at all ever posted
on utah articles. There were routninely about 5-6 posts total on any utah
article. On the otherhand there were always 50-100 posts on BYU articles and a
large percentage of them were such allustrous utah "fans" as christina
b, hedehog, naval vet, etc. Those great utah "fans" inspired the BYU
fans, they showed us how it is done. They were the leaders, the trend setters,
the ones who established what these boards would be and how they would be used.
BYU fans are simply responding in kind, doing what we were taught to do by the
true greats of comment board posting etiquette. It is what it is
utah "fans" and you are the pioneers. You showed us the way. Embrace
I have followed articles on Utah in both the DN and he Trib all year. Can say
that although there are 'trolls' responding at both papers (and, to be
fair an equal number of trolls on the Y articles); there is no contest. The U
haters in the DN are far more vocal, more obnoxious, and post in greate numbers
than compared to the Trib. Seems like there are 10 or more that can't wait
for a new article so they can make a post.For those that fit this
description and are true BYU fans; you need to look in the mirror and ask think
about what a fine example you are setting as a representative of a Christian
based faith. For the same fans that are so proud of the BYU honor code, you
don't feel that you need to abide by the same principles in your life.
@ gdogI'm glad to see that you are happy that Utah achieved
their #1 goal this year (by inches on a missed field goal that clanked off the
goal post) and that was----as always and forever----beating BYU. How'd you do against USU (who BYU defeated)?How'd you do
in your elite "BCS Conference" play?How'd you do in
your dinky 45,000 seat stadium? Did you win at home?Remind us
again.....what years did you win BCS bowls? The relevance of that has
evaporated and I can't quite remember when it was exactly.
"... but we should take care of the Buffs next week to get 'some'
momentum going into the off-season."I'm dying to know what
momentum can be had from beating Colorado? LOL
Hey Utah, the PAC 12 called. They want their money back. LOL!
Get used to having your Decembers free, Utah fans. You can't hang with the
likes of us. #GoSunDevils
Alpine Coug, not trying to split hairs here, because yes, BYU's schedule
next year will be tough, but citing eight BCS conference teams (even though
Notre Dame technically is not, but I get your point) as "far exceed(ing) any
schedule Utah has ever had"? The Pac-12 plays a 9 game conference schedule,
meaning that every team already plays at least 9 BCS conference teams. And if
you match up each of those opponents, if this year is any indication: Oregon
will be better than Notre Dame, Stanford will be better than Texas, USC is
better than Wisconsin, UCLA will be better than Boise, Oregon State will be
better than Georgia Tech, Arizona State will be better than Virginia, Arizona is
better than Houston, and we both play Utah State.Yes it is a tough
schedule, whether you consider it tougher than Utah's, all we can say is
welcome to our world. You'll find out what it is like soon enough, and
decide whether that's what you want to continue with or not. I find the
challenge exciting, but the sentiment of many BYU fans seems to be that wins,
regardless of the opponent, is their preference.
GO UTES, we can win the national championship next year! I don't care if
you did not make a bowl this year, we may have sucked, but so what. GO UTES
Lots of Coug fans celebrating on this article. I guess misery loves company.
Frankly, Utah performed about as expected this and last year. BYU, on the other
hand, squandered a defense good enough for great season if the offense had only
been average (BYU average, that is).So Coug fans, lay off the Utes.
Look at the BYU schedule next year and pray for divine guidance. We're
gonna need it.Oh and hoops doesn't look so good either.
@ gdog3finally@ motorbikeYou are both correct about this years
schedule, but BYU's 2013 schedule will far exceed any schedule Utah has
ever had.In 2013 BYU will play: Texas - Notre Dame - Boise State -
Georgia Tech - Wisconsin - Utah - Houston - Virginia = 8 BCS Conference
opponents (Houston-BSU new in Big East). As well as the new local powerhouse
Utah State. Middle TN State and Hawaii may be the only cream puffs. Hope we
have a QB by the start of the season (Taysom Hill?) and that Kyle Van Noy
decides to stay for his final season.Actually, as a long time Cougar
fan, I also root for Utah and look forward to the not too distant future when
both once again return to revelancy and become perennial Top 25 teams!
Funny to see coug fans make fun of the Utes when their team will only end up
with 2 more victories with a far less challenging schedule. The truth is
this, BYU and Utah are very close in talent this year, their head to head
matchup accurately sums that up. Swap schedules and I think you'd have seen
very similar results. Utah wins 7 or 8 and BYU wins 4 or 5. I'd still
rather walk away with 5 wins having seen great opponents and great games while
also knowing how satisfying it will be when Utah has a break through year ...
and yes, I believe that will indeed happen but not next year, Utah's
schedule may end up being the toughest in the country.
Countless BYU fans say Utah lives for BYU's failures. From what I read on
these posts each time Utah loses from BYU fans, the comparisons are
hypocritical. Seriously, read all of these comments by BYU fans on this Utah
article (after losing to San Jose State no less). I know that little WAC team is
formidable, but ya'll are looking silly. Here is the thing.
Both Utah and BYU are bad. Both Bronco and Kyle lost their players this year,
and that is hard to fix in the future without big name player support or new
blood coming in that responds extremely well.Still, the truth is, as
bad as Utah has been, they would be bowling with BYU's schedule. BYU played
tough teams, I get that, but those were losses. The automatic wins were still
built in. Utah played an easy Washington State game. BYU played them as well. I
know the PAC 12 is not the SEC or BIG 12, but Utah's schedule is still
tougher than that of BYU. Utah played Northern Colorado (penciled win). But BYU
played Weber State, Idaho and New Mexico State.Remember Utah has 8
of the last 11 head to head.
I feel that the biggest problem is that Whit did not trust his team enough.
Trick plays are to be used only when the other team does not expect them. When
you run them all the time, then the opposing team will begin to think that every
play is a trick play. When the Utes were only down by three, why would you run
a fake punt on your own 40 with plenty of time left?
Is Blechen transfering to either Colorado or Washington?
Two For Flinching:I see your point but sometimes trick plays
disguise a pedestrian offensive scheme. It is apparent that Wilson is still
developing his skills. He rarely goes to a second or third option on passing
plays. Sometimes coaches will try trick plays when the regular offense just
isn't working or complex enough to keep the opponent's defense
guessing and adjusting. I agree that many trick plays were used and many
didn't work. I think we both see a problem. I think the imagination I
think is lacking is a complex passing and running scheme say that Arizona
possessed last night and since that is lacking, flea flickers, reverses and such
are often used in order to try to get cheap scores (and they often backfire
Utah losing to Arizona? Unfortunate, but not unexpected.BYU losing to
SJSU? Pure comedy gold.Congrats to the Aggies on their season. They are
the best in the state.
Eagle:I disagree about the play calling. I thought that is was
often too imaginative. Don't forget the hook and ladders and reverses we
tried to run while inside the 5-yard line....
Chris B is busy writing things down.Next year he'll emerge as
an Aggie fan.
Generally, I think Whittingham is one of the best coaches in the country.
Bu--and there is a but, he has made some curious decisions on both the macro and
micro level.First, is Brian Johnson at age 25 really ready to be an
offensive coordinator? I think the kid has a brilliant future ahead of him but
he's over his head right now.I think Utah went into a downward
spiral with its QB situation with how it handled Corbin Loucks. If Wynn stayed
healthy maybe things would have worked out differently but a few years back is
when the dominos of this quarterback mess started. I agree they should have
stayed with Hays and even tried to redshirt Wilson. Hays wasn't spectacular
but I can't imagine that Utah wouldn't be bowl eligible with him at
the helm.Let Fakahafua play offense as well, he has amazing ball
skills. On the micro level, game management decisions were off,
like the fake punt. It didn't work and Utah's season was doomed.
Play calling was unimaginative all year. Davonte Christopher was a huge
disappointment and even Star didn't live up to billing.
Well the simple fact is we have some major problems, and it starts from the
coaching down. The defense was exposed except against BYU, WSU, and Cal. Which
was a shock considering the defense was supposed to be the strongest part of
this team.Hiring Brian Johnson was a huge mistake, he's not
ready to lead a PAC-12 offense. I see the same issues next year, this looks
like a 3-4 year learning curve.All year long this team lacked
discipline and accountability. How many times did Utah commit a personal foul
on big plays. We had one yesterday by our Starr player. Season 2
Conclusion: Failure on offense, defense, and special teams with poor coaching
all around. As of today I think this continues into next season, I can't
see us winning more than 6 games with Stanford and Oregon on the schedule as
well. Weber State, @BYU, and Utah State will decided if we win less than 6
It looks like Sarkisian and Anae are the only Cougars to beat the Utes this
@cowboy,Yes, a real classy bunch. Let it go. Its the only way they can
make themselves feel better about where their program is headed. As for
the Utes, realistically it will be three to five years before they compete
consistently in this conference - and I will be enjoying the process. I'll
be curious about any changes in the assistant coaching ranks in the off season.
AND, how about thse Aggies?!! Coach Anderson has them playing!
@gdog. Agree that Wilson was thrown in too early. Coaches should have used Hays
more. Put them both on the field. Defense disappointed in key games. Season not lost. Very entertaining to watch Utes play against big name
opponents. PAC-12 is tough! Utes will recruit 3-star athletes that are passed
over by USC, UCLA, etc. Coaching needs to be excellent to create competitive
team with 2nd-tier athletes. And build depth chart. Future seasons look
promising and challenging, if Ute AD can recruit and keep good coaches. beats losing to San Jose St even during their rare "good years".
Everything happening in Provo shows extremely poor football judgment. This
former fan won't even change the channel to watch Y games now.
That said, however, give credit to Arizona. Ka'Deem Carey was very
impressive, and they came up with the stops when they needed them. Whether
it's extrinsically (firing/hiring) or intrinsically, the Utes coaching
staff will have to improve a lot to make it back to bowl eligibility next year,
and the players need to have better senior leadership (looking at you, Blechen,
Joe Kruger and Trevor Reilly).
As far as penalties go, and letting the players play, I was fairly pleased with
the officiating, but they did a terrible job of managing the game, and let
Arizona do whatever they wanted to. Many times substitutions looked like a
hockey match, and gave Utah no chance to sub players to match up. The worst,
however, especially considering UA only led by one touchdown in the last few
minutes, was when Blechen's helmet came off, and they made him come off the
field, but allowed Arizona to run a play in for a TD without allowing someone to
sub in for him. I've hated that rule all year, but if you're going to
enforce it at all, it has to be done correctly. And lastly, not that it mattered
much as we were down 2 possessions on the last drive anyway, but they let the
last seconds run off the clock with Utah trying to run a play, but a defender
tied his legs up with John White's to keep him on the ground for 10+
seconds as the time ran off.
Congrats, Utes! You did better than I thought you would.
If you look at the comments of the two main stories about the cougars loss to
San Jose state and the utes loss to Arizona. BYU fans are ripping their own
program and then making fun of the program they lost to. Stay classy BYU fans.
No comments from utes fans ripping BYU.
Dixie DanWhat are you saying? Utah failed to reel in the top rated O
lineman in Utah (going to Arizona), the top QB (Alabama), the top linebacker
(Stanford) and the jury's still out on the top D lineman. They're not
getting the best of what's right in front of them.
The gushing arrogance of the Ute fans in this valley has run dry.Easy run
to the Rose Bowl, undefeated season, all they had to do was beat USC at home!I guess the Poinsetta Bowl would look pretty nice right about now, eh
I only got to see the game from the time just before Utah took the 24-17 lead.
From that time forward there was no defense played by the Utes much like the
Aaaand it's gone!So long to the glory seasons of Ute football.
They went MIA when the Utes left the MWC. So sad to see what greed
and the pursuit of glamour does to a program.Not too pretty is it
and what will the money buy?Some shiny things and more junk to hang
off the light posts downtown SLC.
@ChrisB - I sure hope you'll offer me that refund on my airfare/bowl
It sad to say, but this "no bowling" might be the trend for the next 3-5
years, unless Whitt goes.
At least the Utes can look forward to an exciting season on the hard court.
Yes, welcome to the Pac-12. For all your trash talking about the then Pac-10
and how your conference was stronger...........here you go........you got your
wish.......1 win, 10 losses. Go Cats!
Utah needs to expand its recruiting outside of the Wasatch area. When over 60%
of their recruits played within 50 miles of the school, they need to look beyond
what little local talent there is.
Sad year for both the Utes and the Cougs! I hope it's not a prelude to
what the future holds for both teams. On the other hand, how bout them Aggies?
I guess we can all be proud there's at least one Utah school that's
looking really good.
Joe You can mark this down: ESPN will be calling Holmoe about
getting its money back.
@Joe Schmoe:20 - 14
I am grateful to have Whittingham as Utah's coach, and I am a ways away for
wanting Utah to make a change at the top, but Whit has mismanaged the Utes in an
awful way this year.Whittingham went to Travis Wilson too early when
Hays would have won two more ball games. Utah's O line was terrible during
the first month of the year. Whit IV was banged up at the same time. Then when
the line got things clicking and White IV got healthy, Whit went with Wilson
when Utah was only 0-2 in conference. Wilson opened up in Pasadena (not the
right time for a freshman). Utah played well at UCLA and Oregon
State except for Wilson. Utah was the better team on both sides of the ball
@OSU, but the Wilson turnovers were too much to overcome. Oregon State was up
14-0 and they didn't even have 20 yards of offense as Utah gave the ball
away inside their own 10 twice. Then after cutting the lead 14-7 Utah had 1st
and goal from the 3 when Christopher could have walked in for the tie and
Utes will play the Colorado Bowl next week;Colorado 10Utah
PAC seems to be regaining its glory days. Oregon and Stanford look like they
are built to last. Give Washington two more years and Sark will challenge for
the North. Oregon State seems to be good every 3 or 4 years.UCLA
made a huge jump this year. AZ and ASU are much improved. Kiffin is already on
the hot seat, because anything less than a big bowl is not acceptable at USC.Not intended to be mean spirited, but I don't see too many winning
seasons in the coming years. I think WSU, CO, Cal and Utah are doomed to be
middle / bottom of an improved PAC for a while. Each may have a good year or
two in the next decade. But there will be more years below 500 than above.No need to bring the Cougs into the conversation. With next years
schedule (that rivals many AQ schools), big losses on the D side and a new QB; a
winning record will be a successful season.
Well Utes, at least you beat BYU- the season was not a complete loss.
Utah 4-7. My only joy and consolation this football season. Keep up the good
Why would I even believe Utah at 2 - 5 in the PAC Twelve would have a chance
playing against the likes of Arizona? They couldn't beat Colorado last
year in SLC so why should they suddenly be able to beat Arizona? They may even
lose to the Buffs in Boulder this next week. Wouldn't that be enough to
make them natural rivals----the two bottom feeders and the last two picked to be
in the PAC 12 and the ones everyone else is in the conference asking "why
exactly were they invited?" If Colorado does win Utah will have to win the
next THREE to finally get over .500 against them. Serious stuff.As
far as bowling, they needed a rest. It was getting too much for their fans to
brag about. Now they can just go back to "We have two BCS wins."
That's much less complicated and easier to say and impresses folks just as
much (hardly at all).
Disappointing season but we should take care of the Buffs next week to get
'some' momentum going into the off-season. This team lacks toughness
and speed. Hopefully both of those things are addressed.
Chris B, Cheer up little guy. You can cheer on your second favorite
team in their bowl game now that your utes can't go bowling this year.
But Chris B told me to mark it down, so I did. Good thing Utah won
its bowl game back in September.