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  • Fubecao Bellevue, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    From the article: "The Rebels are the first Mountain West team to schedule BYU after its departure from the conference following the 2010 season."

    Except for TCU last year.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 17, 2012 1:48 a.m.

    no conference championship for U

    "I'm so tired of fellow BYU fans talking like this."

    Of course you are; what else could we expect from a desperate Utah troll?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    Any good teams coming to Provo in November?

    All mediocre or decent teams are not coming to Provo in November.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    maybe its a trade-off and playing unlv in football will help persuade them to schedule some non-conference home and home basketball games with them. BYU's out-of-conference home basketball scheduling needs some sprucing up especially because the middle to bottom conference WCC games for the Cougars are very mediocre at best.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    It is apparent that BYU is now scheduling for their fan base and not for bowl games. I thought they wanted to improve their schedule and not play MWC teams, maybe it was just a ruse.

  • Sambonethegreat LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    @No Conference Will Take Us

    Thank you. A BYU fan with sense. You're alright, man.

    If the Cougars want a more prosperous future, I think they need to get into the Big-12. Also, Bronco not playing an injured quarterback in key games would help, too.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:57 p.m.

    mussingaround
    Palo Alto, CA
    Sambonethegreat

    "Be real here. BYU had no chance against Oregon State."

    Don't kid yourself.

    BYU was only down 28-24 with about 6 minutes left in the fourth, when a pass interference call on BYU helped dig Oregon State out of a 2nd and 16 hole to keep the Beaver's drive alive. A stop there, and BYU has a good chance of forcing a punt, with still plenty of time for BYU to score a game-winning touchdown.

    >>>>>

    I'm so tired of fellow BYU fans talking like this. "What could have been" and "what if" does not cut it. We lost the game against a ranked team. Just like seasons before, and those in the future. We will continue the streak of losing to ranked teams unless things change on the field.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    How about that bottom-feeding PAC team you have to look forward to finish every season?

    Obviously conference membership isn't everything when it comes to playing really bad teams.

    It's laughable that Utah fans have become so arrogant in disparaging the WAC/MWC, when the Utes were only able to win SIX conference titles in the last HALF CENTURY, while members of the WAC/MWC.

    btw, time to update your calendar

    BYU plays Wisconsin and Notre Dame next November.

    And that Hawaii team that BYU plays in December?

    The Utes have lost 7 of their last 10 games against Hawaii and haven't beaten the Warriors in Honolulu since 1985.

  • Sambonethegreat LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    While you bring up some valid points, I am talking about the here and now. There is no question USU has only recently turned the corner with their program. And I never claimed their football program was better than BYU's. The Aggies are making undeniable and substantial progress, though.

    I have every right to say UNLV is horrible in the here and now. They are 2-9, and Bobby Hauck's record with the team has been abysmal.

    Don't forget that the teams BYU has scheduled can back out at practically any time. That's one of the chief problems of being independent: the school IS dependent on other teams.

    The MWC is stable because even though SDSU, TCU, and BSU are essentially gone, USU and SJSU are coming in. Also, Nevada and Fresno joined up last season. Not a bad conference as a whole.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    Sambonethegreat

    "Be real here. BYU had no chance against Oregon State."

    Don't kid yourself.

    BYU was only down 28-24 with about 6 minutes left in the fourth, when a pass interference call on BYU helped dig Oregon State out of a 2nd and 16 hole to keep the Beaver's drive alive. A stop there, and BYU has a good chance of forcing a punt, with still plenty of time for BYU to score a game-winning touchdown.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    "It's obvious that Hill intends to continue scheduling Big Sky teams every year"

    phx:

    I'd rather see one Big Sky team in August/September than 3 bottom-feeding WAC/MWC teams in November. Obviously, your mileage varies.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 16, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Woops, that last response was for Sambonethegreat, not Hemlock. I'm not used to having USU trolls on here so I made a mistake.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    RE: Hemlock

    Woah!... simmer down. Saying that BYU needs USU and that UNLV is horrible makes little sense. True USU is having a fantastic season, Gary Anderson is the real deal, and the Aggies have improved considerably under his watch. However, you can hardly claim to have surpassed BYU in football prominence. This is the best season USU has had in decades and BYU beat them. On a similar note, you have no right to say UNLV is horrible when historically they performed right on par with USU.

    Part of your argument is that because USU "will be in a steady conference with a guaranteed annual slate of games" that the Cougars need them. You may not have noticed, but BYU is doing just fine in scheduling games. The Cougs will make more money playing Michigan than USU will make playing the entirety of the Mountain West. Also, I wouldn't call the MWC a "steady" conference given that their four best teams have abandoned ship in the last two seasons.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan:

    Don't know for sure that Notre Dame will go to Provo, they have their new agreement with the ACC--no trip planned to Provo yet for 2013-2015 according to FBS Schedules website. Houston and Cincy had some good years, but I wouldn't classify them as premier FBS teams. I don't think Nebraska and Michigan will go to Provo, unless a two-for-one or something. I think it's great Wisconsin is willing to do it--makes me respect them that much more.

    I agree about your points with BCS bowls, BYU could do that with two-three big wins and running the table, but not a national championship like Bronco is claiming to have as his goal. I just thought it would be great for BYU to join the Big 12, it would have brought bigger games to this market, and made a big rivalry with Utah.

    I think they could have joined the Big 12 if they wanted to, but didn't want to have the growing pains that they would experience with that jump like Utah and TCU are experiencing.

    Good luck to the Cougs in Independence, but BYU would be better in the Big 12.

  • Sambonethegreat LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    @Hemlock

    Pulling a Utah and pretending you're too good for us, eh? BYU needs USU more than USU needs BYU. At least USU will be in a steady conference going forward with a guaranteed, annual slate of games. Not even the mighty Cougars can claim they have that luxury.

    Oh, and don't think you can bag on USU when it's convenient and then say the game means nothing. Even the highly vaunted (and super overrated) Riley Nelson admitted that if BYU doesn't bring their A-game to USU from now on, they will get beaten. It's a rivalry again and not even the most stubborn and proud Cougar fan can deny that.

    Also, UNLV is terrible. Scheduling them home-and-home and insisting on 2 for 1's with USU wont fly with the Athletic Director at USU going forward. Count on that.

    @SportsFan

    Excuses, excuses. BYU doesn't lose to other teams: they just beat themselves, right? And BYU would have beaten Notre Dame if that last pass connected, right?

    Be real here. BYU had no chance against Oregon State.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    Re: Wildcat

    "Other than Wisconsin, Texas and GA Tech, none of the big teams are going to Provo in the future schedule."

    Again you have failed to do your homework. In addition to Wisconsin, Texas, and Georgia Tech, BYU will also host Boise State (at least five times), Notre Dame (at least twice), Houston, and Cincy. And if the series with Wisconsin is any indicator, there is a chance they will also host Michigan and Nebraska. Not too shabby for a newly independent who still has a ton of holes to fill in future schedules.

    I agree that you have to play and beat the best to be National contenders. However, Utah, Boise State, and Hawaii all proved that you don't have to play a Notre Dame type schedule to be invited to BCS bowls (i.e. be a national contender), you simply need to schedule 2-3 good games per year and go undefeated. BYU's schedules for the foreseeable future are already better than any other "BCS buster" in history so they should be in good shape. Now they need to go out and win games. Go Cougs!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:33 p.m.

    Wildcat

    "Other than Wisconsin, Texas and GA Tech, none of the big teams are going to Provo in the future schedule."

    Notre Dame's current agreement with BYU calls for the Irish to play TWO games in Provo; since Notre Dame is an honorable program, it's a given that Notre Dame will be playing at least one of those agreed upon games in Provo, and probably both.

    ------

    JohnInSLC

    It's obvious that Hill intends to continue scheduling Big Sky teams every year to give the Utes at least a chance to finish 6-6 - so far he's three for three with 2011 Montana State, 2012 Northern Colorado, 2013 Weber State.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    "What will Utah do with their Northern Colorado game... play it again?"

    samg:

    Still harping on No. Colo., eh? You shouldn't--BYU has much in common with the Bears. They both beat Weber State and they both lost to Utah.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    Other than Wisconsin, Texas and GA Tech, none of the big teams are going to Provo in the future schedule. All the big games are one and done on the road. Idaho and New Mexico State can pull that off as an independent as well.

    If BYU is truly interested in being a national contender, the schedules they are making are not going to help. You have to play the best and beat the best. Notre Dame has a tough schedule year in and out--they aren't afraid of having losing seasons. Notre Dame has history and can get the big boys to go to South Bend. I think BYU has a good stadium and should be able to do the same, but I suspect the AD and coach are trying to ensure seven to eight solid wins a year on the schedule, which is fine, but don't sell it like they are going for a national championship.

    BYU should try and lobby the Big 12 and join them, then Texas Oklahoma, Kansas State, etc. are on the schedule every year, too bad, a PAC-12 team and a Big 12 team in Utah would have been nice.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Sambonethegreat

    "Here is one fact BYU fans cannot spin into something positive: They lost 4 out of the 5 money games this year."

    Sure we can!

    BYU lost 3 of the 4 by a total of 7 points, all from mistakes BYU made, rather than anything our opponents did.

    Unlike Utah, BYU had a realistic chance of winning every game it lost, and, BYU did beat that team from Logan, a team Utah couldn't beat.

    It's possible that BYU's offense won't have rely on BYU's defense to bail them out next season. BYU might even re-discover its kicking game. That all remains to be seen.

    Regardless, most BYU fans are excited about the prospect of BYU improving its schedule with big name opponents. BYU will probably suffer a little in the loss column, but with greater risk also comes the opportunity for greater reward.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    In light of their pathetic performance in the conference of champions the past two years, I like how the utah trolls come on here with their feeble trash talk. I'm looking forward to their arch rival game with CU - last year was a real joy.

    Anyone want to talk some hoops??? crickets, crickets.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    Sambone,
    Spin this. Just be humble and grateful that BYU schedules USU. It is a nothing game that gives deference to the locals and means little to the national fan base of BYU, even those who live in SLC.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    Good pick up for UNLV and so-so for BYU. Is UNLV one of those teams like San Diego St. who said they would never play BYU again because they left the MWC? It would require that UNLV organize parking at Sam Boyd stadium before I will ever attend a game there. It gives chaos a bad name.

  • Sambonethegreat LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    Here is one fact BYU fans cannot spin into something positive:

    They lost 4 out of the 5 money games this year. A loss is a loss, and there will be plenty more next year without the killer D to bail them out (and that didn't even always work THIS year).

  • B C Park City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan

    Our friends from the hill love using half-truths to paint BYU in the worst possible light, so they obsess on the WAC teams BYU has played in the last couple of years, while conveniently ignoring teams like Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, TCU and Boise State.

    The truth is, NOBODY plays an entire schedule of teams like Texas and USC. And NO upper tier teams play an entire schedule of teams like Idaho and New Mexico St.

    Whether you're an Independent and choose to balance your schedule with a mix of very good, average, and mediocre teams, or you're in a conference that schedules that mix of teams for you, doesn't matter, except to the haters, who only see the world through their own distorted prism.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    WhatsInItForMe

    "Looks like November scheduling of BCS-quality teams is still a few years out."

    Think again:

    BYU's 2013 Football Schedule - one or two games still pending

    8/31 at Virginia
    9/7 Texas
    9/14 open
    9/21 Utah
    9/28 open
    10/4 at Utah State
    10/12 Georgia Tech
    10/19 at Houston
    10/26 Boise State
    11/2 open
    11/9 at Wisconsin
    11/16 Middle Tenn St
    11/23 at Notre Dame
    11/30 open
    12/7 at Hawaii

    Two ACC, two Big East, two MWC, one PAC 12, one Big Ten, one Big 12, one Sun Belt, and one Independent

    BYU could add a couple of gimmies and still have a great schedule next year.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    RE: Wildcat

    "then look at the teams BYU has been scheduling lately: Virginia, Middle Tennessee State, Southern Miss, UNLV, etc.."

    You conveniently left off who the "etc." were. That would be Michigan, Houston, Wisconsin, Boise State, Notre Dame.

    Of the games scheduled for the next several years about half of them are games comparable to the WAC teams BYU has played the last two seasons with one difference, they are in different parts of the country. The other half of the schedule consists of very difficult games against top teams in (again) different parts of the country. I think any objective observer can see that BYU is putting together a very balanced schedule where they can win 9-10 games a season, be on national television every week, and get way more exposure than they have in the past. No, they do not have a Notre Dame type schedule. They are not yet at that level... but they are raising their national profile and it is paying off.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    CO Ute

    Since neither you, nor anybody else, could possibly know how good or bad a team will be two or three years from now, posting current records is absolutely meaningless.

    The Auburn Tigers, for example, were national champions only a couple of years ago.

    This year, MTSU(6-3) is a MUCH better team than Auburn(2-7)

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 6:41 a.m.

    Looks like November scheduling of BCS-quality teams is still a few years out. Still, independence scheduling is looking better all the time. It'll take time and shakeout in the conference shuffling for November to become easier to schedule. Patience.

  • Sambonethegreat LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 11:57 p.m.

    @byufan1993

    It's cool. UNLV had a good win against Air Force this year, but that is really about it. I am willing to admit they aren't as bad as the 2-9 record suggests, but UNLV just doesn't know how to win football games... yet.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Sambonethegreat

    You know you're right and I'm sorry I got my facts messed up. I don't know what I was thinking but for some reason I remember watching a UNLV game and they seemed to be doing pretty well offensively, it seems I was mistaken or confused on something. I can admit when I mess up, thank you for pointing it out to me. Still like the playing in Las Vegas for recruiting

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 15, 2012 10:24 p.m.

    November will always be tough as an indy. I'd much rather play UNLV than NMSU and Idaho, regardless of sos. I can handle a UNLV and Hawaii in November as long as I get a little Wisconsin and Notre Dame.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 15, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    Love it! Love being able to go to a game so close to home. I hope a basketball deal can also be worked out

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    Nov. 15, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    Mmmmmmm, cupcakes.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Nov. 15, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    I give the Cougs a nod for scheduling a variety of teams from various conference is different geographic areas. That part is a positive for both the fans and for recruiting. However the strength of schedule will speak for itself. Sure a team like Houston can be very good one year but overall?? For every good team there seems to be 2 that aren't very strong. Look at the current records
    Virginia 4-6
    Ga Tech 5-5
    Houston 4-6
    UNLV 2-9
    Hawaii 1-8
    So Miss 0-10
    MTSU is a Sun Belt Team

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    Idaho was busy?

  • Thinkman Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    UNLV is a good pickup for late November, considering who is available that late in the season. They have a decently balanced schedule as an independent. Tough enough to be attractive to BCS if they go 12-0 or even 11-1 yet not too tough to put them in danger of going worse than 8-4 each year.

    If/when they get invited to the Big 12, this is the best BYU will be able to do. Holmoe is doing as well as anyone at scheduling.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 7:25 p.m.

    The hits just keep on coming!

    UNLV is 0-2 in their last two against against the Big Sky. Looks like USU better stop the two-for-one with BYU now.

    It's a nice game for fans in Las Vegas and good for recruiting (look at USU's running back Kerwynn Williams), but please don't try and insult fans by saying that BYU is trying to play a tough independent schedule to compete for a national championship. Look at Notre Dame's schedule this year, and then look at the teams BYU has been scheduling lately: Virginia, Middle Tennessee State, Southern Miss, UNLV, etc.. They all seem to fit into Bronco's "green light" game philosophy of scheduling.

    It won't take two undefeated seasons to "convince" voters Bronco. This isn't 1984 where you can back into a national championship. With the four team playoff coming soon, BYU will have to beat a good team for that to happen. With their latest scheduling, it is clear BYU cares nothing about national contention, but ensuring at least seven wins a year.

    If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad!

  • Sambonethegreat LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 6:07 p.m.

    @byufan1993

    "Look what they almost did to Utah State."

    My sides still hurt from laughing over that quote. They almost won in a 35-13 rout, right?

    UNLV isn't very good. They are better than their record suggests, but they still likely wouldn't pose much of a challenge to most half-decent FBS teams.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Nov. 15, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    It's too bad that college football what it has. Any team should be able to schedule these regional rivalries without a second thought. But, since Division I Football is all about looking glamorous and having the "premier" schedule, many of these regional match ups get tossed out the window.

    I for one, am VERY happy to see BYU scheduling these games. This interests me a lot more than BYU playing Georgia Tech. I know, sounds crazy. But UNLV is my home town team, and BYU is my Alma mater. That makes it a lot more meaningful for me than when they play somebody thousands of miles away.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 15, 2012 5:47 p.m.

    Looks like a good selection for the Cougars. Good luck.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    When the Utes get blanked by UNLV it's understandable that they would not want to schedule them ANYTIME soon.

    This is a nice 'local' flavor addition to the schedule and a noticeable improvement over the Weber State issue.

    What will Utah do with their Northern Colorado game... play it again?

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    Sorry Tom, not that impressed. For UNLV, it should have been a 2 home, 1 away. If we want to get serious about football, we need a coach who will play the best kids, not the ones he likes the best and we need an AD who will work and be willing to pay for better programs than UNLV. Take that $1.3 mil from Michigan and put it to good use.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 15, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    Congrats to UNLV for scheduling a big name punching bag. That will help BYUs strength of schedule that is sure to grab the attention of BCS playoff & bowl decision makers.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    Much better competition than the New Mexico States of the world, BYU is really building nice schedules going forward!

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    @ Fred Vader

    Relax! That's a clown question bro.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 3:41 p.m.

    UNLV is pretty dang good.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 15, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    This will be a lightening rod for the fans for two reasons (1) home and home (2) November

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Nov. 15, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    Even as a Cougar fan, I'm going to save Chris B. the trouble...

    Seriously, BYU? UNLV for a home and home in November? Were Idaho and New Mexico too busy?

    Yes, a UNLV game in September is fine, but let's get someone decent to play/watch for November...

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 15, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    I think this is a great pick-up for the Cougars. Las Vegas has a great fan base for both teams, and there enough history between the teams to keep things interesting. It should be a gimme game for the Cougars but I would take UNLV over Idaho or New Mexico State anytime.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 15, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    As Holmoe said:

    "We have a very large fan base in Las Vegas who was incredibly supportive of our football team during the five-straight years we played in the Las Vegas Bowl, and all the conference games we played at UNLV."

    The 2015 contest will be a fun game for BYU fans in Nevada, Arizona and S. California to attend as BYU continues to fulfill its promise to play teams from throughout the country in order to give BYU fans in all parts of the country a chance to attend BYU games in person.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Nov. 15, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    Before everyone complains about why we are scheduling a lower tier team I think this a good game to play. We do have a lot of fans in Las Vegas and this helps with recruiting. Every team has some easy teams on their schedule and UNLV has shown it can be a trap game. Look what they almost did to Utah State. Looking forward this series!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 15, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    I like the way BYU is scheduling. A little MWC, ACC, Big 10, WAC and PAC 12 action. That's the plus side of being an independent. The down side is the bowl opportunities. All of the bowl tie ins are bascially set, and leave BYU with a limited selection. It seems like the options are Poinsetia (sp) bowl or BCS; but nothing in between.