From the article: "The Rebels are the first Mountain West team to schedule
BYU after its departure from the conference following the 2010 season."Except for TCU last year.
no conference championship for U"I'm so tired of fellow BYU
fans talking like this."Of course you are; what else could we
expect from a desperate Utah troll?
Any good teams coming to Provo in November?All mediocre or decent
teams are not coming to Provo in November.
maybe its a trade-off and playing unlv in football will help persuade them to
schedule some non-conference home and home basketball games with them.
BYU's out-of-conference home basketball scheduling needs some sprucing up
especially because the middle to bottom conference WCC games for the Cougars are
very mediocre at best.
It is apparent that BYU is now scheduling for their fan base and not for bowl
games. I thought they wanted to improve their schedule and not play MWC teams,
maybe it was just a ruse.
@No Conference Will Take UsThank you. A BYU fan with sense.
You're alright, man.If the Cougars want a more prosperous
future, I think they need to get into the Big-12. Also, Bronco not playing an
injured quarterback in key games would help, too.
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CASambonethegreat"Be real
here. BYU had no chance against Oregon State."Don't kid
yourself.BYU was only down 28-24 with about 6 minutes left in the
fourth, when a pass interference call on BYU helped dig Oregon State out of a
2nd and 16 hole to keep the Beaver's drive alive. A stop there, and BYU has
a good chance of forcing a punt, with still plenty of time for BYU to score a
so tired of fellow BYU fans talking like this. "What could have been"
and "what if" does not cut it. We lost the game against a ranked team.
Just like seasons before, and those in the future. We will continue the streak
of losing to ranked teams unless things change on the field.
JohnInSLCHow about that bottom-feeding PAC team you have to look
forward to finish every season? Obviously conference membership
isn't everything when it comes to playing really bad teams.It's laughable that Utah fans have become so arrogant in disparaging the
WAC/MWC, when the Utes were only able to win SIX conference titles in the last
HALF CENTURY, while members of the WAC/MWC.btw, time to update your
calendarBYU plays Wisconsin and Notre Dame next November.And that Hawaii team that BYU plays in December?The Utes have lost
7 of their last 10 games against Hawaii and haven't beaten the Warriors in
Honolulu since 1985.
@WiscougarfanWhile you bring up some valid points, I am talking
about the here and now. There is no question USU has only recently turned the
corner with their program. And I never claimed their football program was better
than BYU's. The Aggies are making undeniable and substantial progress,
though.I have every right to say UNLV is horrible in the here and
now. They are 2-9, and Bobby Hauck's record with the team has been
abysmal.Don't forget that the teams BYU has scheduled can back
out at practically any time. That's one of the chief problems of being
independent: the school IS dependent on other teams. The MWC is
stable because even though SDSU, TCU, and BSU are essentially gone, USU and SJSU
are coming in. Also, Nevada and Fresno joined up last season. Not a bad
conference as a whole.
Sambonethegreat"Be real here. BYU had no chance against Oregon
State."Don't kid yourself.BYU was only down
28-24 with about 6 minutes left in the fourth, when a pass interference call on
BYU helped dig Oregon State out of a 2nd and 16 hole to keep the Beaver's
drive alive. A stop there, and BYU has a good chance of forcing a punt, with
still plenty of time for BYU to score a game-winning touchdown.
"It's obvious that Hill intends to continue scheduling Big Sky teams
every year" phx:I'd rather see one Big Sky team
in August/September than 3 bottom-feeding WAC/MWC teams in November. Obviously,
your mileage varies.
Woops, that last response was for Sambonethegreat, not Hemlock. I'm not
used to having USU trolls on here so I made a mistake.
RE: HemlockWoah!... simmer down. Saying that BYU needs USU and that
UNLV is horrible makes little sense. True USU is having a fantastic season,
Gary Anderson is the real deal, and the Aggies have improved considerably under
his watch. However, you can hardly claim to have surpassed BYU in football
prominence. This is the best season USU has had in decades and BYU beat them.
On a similar note, you have no right to say UNLV is horrible when historically
they performed right on par with USU. Part of your argument is that
because USU "will be in a steady conference with a guaranteed annual slate
of games" that the Cougars need them. You may not have noticed, but BYU is
doing just fine in scheduling games. The Cougs will make more money playing
Michigan than USU will make playing the entirety of the Mountain West. Also, I
wouldn't call the MWC a "steady" conference given that their four
best teams have abandoned ship in the last two seasons.
@Wiscougarfan:Don't know for sure that Notre Dame will go to
Provo, they have their new agreement with the ACC--no trip planned to Provo yet
for 2013-2015 according to FBS Schedules website. Houston and Cincy had some
good years, but I wouldn't classify them as premier FBS teams. I
don't think Nebraska and Michigan will go to Provo, unless a two-for-one or
something. I think it's great Wisconsin is willing to do it--makes me
respect them that much more.I agree about your points with BCS
bowls, BYU could do that with two-three big wins and running the table, but not
a national championship like Bronco is claiming to have as his goal. I just
thought it would be great for BYU to join the Big 12, it would have brought
bigger games to this market, and made a big rivalry with Utah.I
think they could have joined the Big 12 if they wanted to, but didn't want
to have the growing pains that they would experience with that jump like Utah
and TCU are experiencing.Good luck to the Cougs in Independence, but
BYU would be better in the Big 12.
@HemlockPulling a Utah and pretending you're too good for us,
eh? BYU needs USU more than USU needs BYU. At least USU will be in a steady
conference going forward with a guaranteed, annual slate of games. Not even the
mighty Cougars can claim they have that luxury.Oh, and don't
think you can bag on USU when it's convenient and then say the game means
nothing. Even the highly vaunted (and super overrated) Riley Nelson admitted
that if BYU doesn't bring their A-game to USU from now on, they will get
beaten. It's a rivalry again and not even the most stubborn and proud
Cougar fan can deny that.Also, UNLV is terrible. Scheduling them
home-and-home and insisting on 2 for 1's with USU wont fly with the
Athletic Director at USU going forward. Count on that.@SportsFanExcuses, excuses. BYU doesn't lose to other teams: they just beat
themselves, right? And BYU would have beaten Notre Dame if that last pass
connected, right? Be real here. BYU had no chance against Oregon
Re: Wildcat"Other than Wisconsin, Texas and GA Tech, none of the
big teams are going to Provo in the future schedule."Again you
have failed to do your homework. In addition to Wisconsin, Texas, and Georgia
Tech, BYU will also host Boise State (at least five times), Notre Dame (at least
twice), Houston, and Cincy. And if the series with Wisconsin is any indicator,
there is a chance they will also host Michigan and Nebraska. Not too shabby for
a newly independent who still has a ton of holes to fill in future schedules.
I agree that you have to play and beat the best to be National
contenders. However, Utah, Boise State, and Hawaii all proved that you
don't have to play a Notre Dame type schedule to be invited to BCS bowls
(i.e. be a national contender), you simply need to schedule 2-3 good games per
year and go undefeated. BYU's schedules for the foreseeable future are
already better than any other "BCS buster" in history so they should be
in good shape. Now they need to go out and win games. Go Cougs!
Wildcat"Other than Wisconsin, Texas and GA Tech, none of the big
teams are going to Provo in the future schedule."Notre
Dame's current agreement with BYU calls for the Irish to play TWO games in
Provo; since Notre Dame is an honorable program, it's a given that Notre
Dame will be playing at least one of those agreed upon games in Provo, and
obvious that Hill intends to continue scheduling Big Sky teams every year to
give the Utes at least a chance to finish 6-6 - so far he's three for three
with 2011 Montana State, 2012 Northern Colorado, 2013 Weber State.
"What will Utah do with their Northern Colorado game... play it
again?"samg:Still harping on No. Colo., eh? You
shouldn't--BYU has much in common with the Bears. They both beat Weber
State and they both lost to Utah.
@WiscougarfanOther than Wisconsin, Texas and GA Tech, none of the
big teams are going to Provo in the future schedule. All the big games are one
and done on the road. Idaho and New Mexico State can pull that off as an
independent as well.If BYU is truly interested in being a national
contender, the schedules they are making are not going to help. You have to
play the best and beat the best. Notre Dame has a tough schedule year in and
out--they aren't afraid of having losing seasons. Notre Dame has history
and can get the big boys to go to South Bend. I think BYU has a good stadium
and should be able to do the same, but I suspect the AD and coach are trying to
ensure seven to eight solid wins a year on the schedule, which is fine, but
don't sell it like they are going for a national championship.BYU should try and lobby the Big 12 and join them, then Texas Oklahoma, Kansas
State, etc. are on the schedule every year, too bad, a PAC-12 team and a Big 12
team in Utah would have been nice.
Sambonethegreat"Here is one fact BYU fans cannot spin into
something positive: They lost 4 out of the 5 money games this year."Sure we can!BYU lost 3 of the 4 by a total of 7 points, all
from mistakes BYU made, rather than anything our opponents did.Unlike Utah, BYU had a realistic chance of winning every game it lost, and,
BYU did beat that team from Logan, a team Utah couldn't beat.It's possible that BYU's offense won't have rely on BYU's
defense to bail them out next season. BYU might even re-discover its kicking
game. That all remains to be seen.Regardless, most BYU fans are
excited about the prospect of BYU improving its schedule with big name
opponents. BYU will probably suffer a little in the loss column, but with
greater risk also comes the opportunity for greater reward.
In light of their pathetic performance in the conference of champions the past
two years, I like how the utah trolls come on here with their feeble trash talk.
I'm looking forward to their arch rival game with CU - last year was a real
joy.Anyone want to talk some hoops??? crickets, crickets.
Sambone,Spin this. Just be humble and grateful that BYU schedules USU. It
is a nothing game that gives deference to the locals and means little to the
national fan base of BYU, even those who live in SLC.
Good pick up for UNLV and so-so for BYU. Is UNLV one of those teams like San
Diego St. who said they would never play BYU again because they left the MWC? It
would require that UNLV organize parking at Sam Boyd stadium before I will ever
attend a game there. It gives chaos a bad name.
Here is one fact BYU fans cannot spin into something positive:They
lost 4 out of the 5 money games this year. A loss is a loss, and there will be
plenty more next year without the killer D to bail them out (and that
didn't even always work THIS year).
WiscougarfanOur friends from the hill love using half-truths to
paint BYU in the worst possible light, so they obsess on the WAC teams BYU has
played in the last couple of years, while conveniently ignoring teams like
Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, TCU and Boise State.The truth is,
NOBODY plays an entire schedule of teams like Texas and USC. And NO upper tier
teams play an entire schedule of teams like Idaho and New Mexico St.Whether you're an Independent and choose to balance your schedule with a
mix of very good, average, and mediocre teams, or you're in a conference
that schedules that mix of teams for you, doesn't matter, except to the
haters, who only see the world through their own distorted prism.
WhatsInItForMe"Looks like November scheduling of BCS-quality
teams is still a few years out."Think again:BYU's 2013 Football Schedule - one or two games still pending8/31 at Virginia9/7 Texas9/14 open9/21 Utah9/28
open10/4 at Utah State10/12 Georgia Tech10/19 at Houston10/26 Boise State11/2 open11/9 at Wisconsin11/16 Middle Tenn
St11/23 at Notre Dame11/30 open12/7 at HawaiiTwo
ACC, two Big East, two MWC, one PAC 12, one Big Ten, one Big 12, one Sun Belt,
and one IndependentBYU could add a couple of gimmies and still have
a great schedule next year.
RE: Wildcat"then look at the teams BYU has been scheduling
lately: Virginia, Middle Tennessee State, Southern Miss, UNLV, etc.."You conveniently left off who the "etc." were. That would be
Michigan, Houston, Wisconsin, Boise State, Notre Dame. Of the games
scheduled for the next several years about half of them are games comparable to
the WAC teams BYU has played the last two seasons with one difference, they are
in different parts of the country. The other half of the schedule consists of
very difficult games against top teams in (again) different parts of the
country. I think any objective observer can see that BYU is putting together a
very balanced schedule where they can win 9-10 games a season, be on national
television every week, and get way more exposure than they have in the past.
No, they do not have a Notre Dame type schedule. They are not yet at that
level... but they are raising their national profile and it is paying off.
CO UteSince neither you, nor anybody else, could possibly know how
good or bad a team will be two or three years from now, posting current records
is absolutely meaningless.The Auburn Tigers, for example, were
national champions only a couple of years ago.This year, MTSU(6-3)
is a MUCH better team than Auburn(2-7)
Looks like November scheduling of BCS-quality teams is still a few years out.
Still, independence scheduling is looking better all the time. It'll take
time and shakeout in the conference shuffling for November to become easier to
@byufan1993It's cool. UNLV had a good win against Air Force
this year, but that is really about it. I am willing to admit they aren't
as bad as the 2-9 record suggests, but UNLV just doesn't know how to win
football games... yet.
SambonethegreatYou know you're right and I'm sorry I got
my facts messed up. I don't know what I was thinking but for some reason I
remember watching a UNLV game and they seemed to be doing pretty well
offensively, it seems I was mistaken or confused on something. I can admit when
I mess up, thank you for pointing it out to me. Still like the playing in Las
Vegas for recruiting
November will always be tough as an indy. I'd much rather play UNLV than
NMSU and Idaho, regardless of sos. I can handle a UNLV and Hawaii in November
as long as I get a little Wisconsin and Notre Dame.
Love it! Love being able to go to a game so close to home. I hope a basketball
deal can also be worked out
I give the Cougs a nod for scheduling a variety of teams from various conference
is different geographic areas. That part is a positive for both the fans and
for recruiting. However the strength of schedule will speak for itself. Sure a
team like Houston can be very good one year but overall?? For every good team
there seems to be 2 that aren't very strong. Look at the current recordsVirginia 4-6Ga Tech 5-5Houston 4-6UNLV 2-9Hawaii
1-8So Miss 0-10MTSU is a Sun Belt Team
Idaho was busy?
UNLV is a good pickup for late November, considering who is available that late
in the season. They have a decently balanced schedule as an independent. Tough
enough to be attractive to BCS if they go 12-0 or even 11-1 yet not too tough to
put them in danger of going worse than 8-4 each year. If/when they
get invited to the Big 12, this is the best BYU will be able to do. Holmoe is
doing as well as anyone at scheduling.
The hits just keep on coming!UNLV is 0-2 in their last two against
against the Big Sky. Looks like USU better stop the two-for-one with BYU
now.It's a nice game for fans in Las Vegas and good for
recruiting (look at USU's running back Kerwynn Williams), but please
don't try and insult fans by saying that BYU is trying to play a tough
independent schedule to compete for a national championship. Look at Notre
Dame's schedule this year, and then look at the teams BYU has been
scheduling lately: Virginia, Middle Tennessee State, Southern Miss, UNLV, etc..
They all seem to fit into Bronco's "green light" game philosophy
of scheduling. It won't take two undefeated seasons to
"convince" voters Bronco. This isn't 1984 where you can back into
a national championship. With the four team playoff coming soon, BYU will have
to beat a good team for that to happen. With their latest scheduling, it is
clear BYU cares nothing about national contention, but ensuring at least seven
wins a year. If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad!
@byufan1993"Look what they almost did to Utah State."My sides still hurt from laughing over that quote. They almost won in a
35-13 rout, right?UNLV isn't very good. They are better than
their record suggests, but they still likely wouldn't pose much of a
challenge to most half-decent FBS teams.
It's too bad that college football what it has. Any team should be able to
schedule these regional rivalries without a second thought. But, since Division
I Football is all about looking glamorous and having the "premier"
schedule, many of these regional match ups get tossed out the window.I for one, am VERY happy to see BYU scheduling these games. This interests me
a lot more than BYU playing Georgia Tech. I know, sounds crazy. But UNLV is my
home town team, and BYU is my Alma mater. That makes it a lot more meaningful
for me than when they play somebody thousands of miles away.
Looks like a good selection for the Cougars. Good luck.
When the Utes get blanked by UNLV it's understandable that they would not
want to schedule them ANYTIME soon.This is a nice 'local'
flavor addition to the schedule and a noticeable improvement over the Weber
State issue.What will Utah do with their Northern Colorado game...
play it again?
Sorry Tom, not that impressed. For UNLV, it should have been a 2 home, 1 away.
If we want to get serious about football, we need a coach who will play the
best kids, not the ones he likes the best and we need an AD who will work and be
willing to pay for better programs than UNLV. Take that $1.3 mil from Michigan
and put it to good use.
Congrats to UNLV for scheduling a big name punching bag. That will help BYUs
strength of schedule that is sure to grab the attention of BCS playoff &
bowl decision makers.
Much better competition than the New Mexico States of the world, BYU is really
building nice schedules going forward!
@ Fred VaderRelax! That's a clown question bro.
UNLV is pretty dang good.
This will be a lightening rod for the fans for two reasons (1) home and home (2)
Even as a Cougar fan, I'm going to save Chris B. the trouble...Seriously, BYU? UNLV for a home and home in November? Were Idaho and New
Mexico too busy?Yes, a UNLV game in September is fine, but
let's get someone decent to play/watch for November...
I think this is a great pick-up for the Cougars. Las Vegas has a great fan base
for both teams, and there enough history between the teams to keep things
interesting. It should be a gimme game for the Cougars but I would take UNLV
over Idaho or New Mexico State anytime.
As Holmoe said:"We have a very large fan base in Las Vegas who
was incredibly supportive of our football team during the five-straight years we
played in the Las Vegas Bowl, and all the conference games we played at
UNLV."The 2015 contest will be a fun game for BYU fans in
Nevada, Arizona and S. California to attend as BYU continues to fulfill its
promise to play teams from throughout the country in order to give BYU fans in
all parts of the country a chance to attend BYU games in person.
Before everyone complains about why we are scheduling a lower tier team I think
this a good game to play. We do have a lot of fans in Las Vegas and this helps
with recruiting. Every team has some easy teams on their schedule and UNLV has
shown it can be a trap game. Look what they almost did to Utah State. Looking
forward this series!
I like the way BYU is scheduling. A little MWC, ACC, Big 10, WAC and PAC 12
action. That's the plus side of being an independent. The down side is the
bowl opportunities. All of the bowl tie ins are bascially set, and leave BYU
with a limited selection. It seems like the options are Poinsetia (sp) bowl or
BCS; but nothing in between.