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Published: Thursday, Nov. 15 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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donn
layton, UT

@ The God Who Weeps”. Jesus wept. John 11:35Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us(1John 3:16)God on the Cross.
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.(1John 5:20).

RE: We lived as spirit beings in the presence of God before we were born into this mortal life. Only Christ pre-existed not man. We didn’t have a spiritual existence prior to earth.( 1 Cor 15:46)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.(14) The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. (John 1:1,14)

cjb
Bountiful, UT

According to deeper LDS theology, God is a family sometimes referred to as the Eloheim. Our Heavenly Father and Mother, the parents of our spirits are members of this family as are we as human beings. We are spirit children of our heavenly parents. What we call God differs from man only in that 'God' is farther along in 'his' progression. As members of this family gain honorable character attributes through their experience and struggles, they are endowed with 'heavenly powers' and are then able to create worlds (and presumably universes).

The question comes to mind, how did this family, the Eloheim come to be? The answer is that it didn't 'come to be'. This family is eternal, it has always existed, but how is this possible?

The answer is that the physical universe has to exist in one of its possible states, and the Eloheim existing is one of those possible states. The Eloheim has great physical power and is self sustaining. Another possible physical state is where nothing physical exists. This realm where all the possibilities exist is the logical universe and is in a sense the ultimate God, the source of all.

donn
layton, UT

RE:cjbAccording to deeper LDS theology, God is a family sometimes referred to as the Eloheim. Our Heavenly Father and Mother, the parents of our spirits are members of this family as are we as human beings. We are spirit children of our heavenly parents.

“Our Father which art in Heaven with, The supreme being transcends space and time. The first goes to pieces if you begin to apply the literal meaning to it. How can a sexual animal really be our father? How can it be in the sky? The *second falls into no such traps. C.S. Lewis.

"For God is Spirit? By faith he(Moses)left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. (Hebrews 11:27)
J S, Lectures on Faith, Q. What is the Father? A. He is a personage of glory and of power. (5:2.). What is the son? First, he is a personage of tabernacle.

No man hath seen God at anytime, except[JS] he hath born record of his Son… .(John 1:19

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Re donn

The problem with your argument, is you are trying to make it by making an appeal to the Bible which comes down on both sides or multiple sides of many subjects and is not fully consistent with known science or even itself.

Thats not to say there isn't valuable truth in it, but it like a valuable gold mine has gold and also dross.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

We have the fullness of the Gospel but that does not mean we have a fullness of answers to life's questions.

I think we begin to rub people the wrong way when we give them the impression that Mormonism will answer all their questions, calm every fear, and bring clarity to all of life's events.

We have all we need in order to make God our top priority, make covenants and learn to love and serve, but we don't and can't make the claim that all truth exists in our faith.

Paul said we look through a glass darkly. Our thoughts are not His thoughts. We can not comprehend all that He comprehends.

I love Givens because he understands this. His thoughts on the Atonement are some of the most powerful words I've ever heard.

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