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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 13 2012 11:11 p.m. MST

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peacemaker
Provo, UT

"It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breathtaking speed, against the backdrop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people." Staislav Mishin from Pravda Ru English version.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Want to cut the deficit? Go off the cliff. Yeah, it'll put us into another recession, but so would cutting the budget as deeply as Rs say they want to cut it. All the protestations about going off the cliff show me that Rs don't really give a hoot about the deficit. They just want to complain about Obama.

jasonlivy
Orem, UT

I just can't understand, no matter how I look at it, why our nation voted for Obama. This will go down as one of the worst elections for a president in our history. He has already failed our nation and it's people. The country has never been weaker in the world, we are more divided, there is more chaos, Washington has never been more corrupt, and it's going to get a lot worse. Our nation is in incredibly bad shape and the debt will continue to rise at an alarming rate. His leadership is non-existent and now we expect for something to change?

As many have said, We The People voted for this man. Actions have consequences. Unfortunately many will suffer, including and especially the middle class.

Luckily no matter who is president, each of us controls our own happiness. The president and congress can bring this nation to it's knees, but we will make it through this. I have no doubt about that.

The one glimmer of hope I see is about 4 years away...

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@peacemaker
what an ironic name for someone that chooses to be so divisive.

jasonlivy
Orem, UT

Tolstoy...Really?

I don't see anything divisive. Read my comment! That's divisive...

What I read from peacemaker is a simple explanation of the consequences of redistribution, a foundational belief of Obama. You take something and give it to someone else, you create a nanny state, one where initiative is being taken away. People will lose faith in a government that is out to get them. It's simple math...

Liberals need to take off their rose colored glasses...

rvalens2
Burley, ID

“Our goal is to create an environment where voting yes on a comprehensive debt deal is seen as good policy and safe politics,” - Jonathan Romano

Safe politics? For whom? Certainly not for the American people.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

"I just can't understand, no matter how I look at it, why our nation voted for Obama. This will go down as one of the worst elections for a president in our history."

"Liberals need to take off their rose colored glasses..."

I am sticking with divisive but thanks

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

Prediction: Nothing substantial will be put in place by January -- a temporary bandage at best. Reason: It takes two sides to compromise, and Obama has never compromised on anything.

peacemaker
Provo, UT

Tolstoy
Not divisive, just factual based on past history in Many Countries of the world. The Russian writer quoted has obviously been a victim of the 70 year Russian government control of everything which ended in one of the greatest falls over a cliff in the history of the world. To correct that process will surely be the peaceful thing to do when this country can protect itself and maintain our peace and protect us from from the Russian experience.

Why is it that liberals continue to support destructive policies. Should we follow the leader over the cliff? Maybe we should all wake up and really understand what America stands for.
Is that being devisive?

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@thinkin man
Sadly I think you are right about January however I think it is a little short sighted to blame only Obama.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I think the average Obama voter understands what the fiscal cliff is as much as they do about anything else - on a scale of 1-10 about a -3. Like trying to explain calculus to a 3 year old.

worf
Mcallen, TX

RedShirt,

Are you saying Obama used the Bush policies that got us into this mess?

ATiredDude
Sandy, UT

Fiscal responsibility. What a concept!

jasonlivy
Orem, UT

Tolstoy,

I'm glad you quoted me. I make no apologies for my comments. What you've read is someone who is fed up and I don't think I'm alone.

Many of us who work everyday, have families we struggle for, are honest and upright, go to church every Sunday, try to do unto others kindly, be valuable citizens in a country we love, and have voluntarily served in the military to protect our way of life are not happy with the direction our country is taking. Our president failed in his job, yet we rewarded him with a second term. He doesn't deserve to be there.

The worst part is it's not going to get any better. The economy isn't going to magically correct itself, especially with a big spending liberal at the helm! Taxing the rich without cuts in entitlement spending will make very little difference. We are heading off the cliff and there's little anyone can do.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Those of you who voted for Obama were victorious! Congratulations. Your side won. Bask in the limelight now because soon the honeymoon will be over.

George
Bronx, NY

@peacemaker
Unfortunately your own statement shows the error in your"facts' and that you have no Idea what Karl Marx actually said. If a country where actually operating under Marx's theory there would be no "state" to control wealth and all means of production would be under the control of the people that produce the goods.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

“The government spends about $3.5 trillion a year,” said Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), a member of the House Budget committee. According to him, “$2.5 trillion of that is Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and interest on the debt.”

Robert Samuelson has wwarned about this for decades. The day is here. So, congress, what are you going to do?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "worf" I am saying that Bush was slowly marching to Socialism, while Obama is using rollerblades and a jetpack to get to socialism.

It wasn't just the Bush policies it was the things that he didn't do in combination with the Progressive policies over the past 100 years.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@jasonivy
why have you created such a sad world for yourself?

Wonder
Provo, UT

@jasonlivy -- I work every day. I love my family. I go to church every Sunday. I try to be kind. I try to be a valuable citizen. Why do you think only people who voted for Romney do those things? Every person that I personally know that voted for Obama does those things. You have a very bad stereotype of Obama supporters that just isn't accurate. We work just as hard as you do. We just think that approaching the debt and deficit with 100% deep cuts isn't the way to approach the problem. We think that a balanced approach with some tax increases is better. We are happy that all people will be able to obtain health care, even those who are unfortunate enough to have pre-existing conditions. We believe that our country is best served if we support education and improve our infrastructure. We think that we should first try to negotiate with foreign countries if at all possible before jumping right into military strikes. You are right that something will have to be done about Medicare, but I am hopeful that everyone recognizes that at this point and will work toward a solution.

Pack
Layton, Utah

Leadership reflects attitude.

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