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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 13 2012 6:14 p.m. MST

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toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

How about public employees do what private employees do-----fund a greater share of their health care expense?

Speaking of health care, just where does the money go? Someone is making out like a bandit and it isn't the hospitals, the doctors, the nurses, etc. Just who is getting it and why can't they be reined in so that health care doesn't continuie to escalate out of reach?

Between Healthcare costs, the price of Gasoline (all energy, really) and tax-and-spend politicians, who is going to bankrupt the country first?

I'm serious-----how far can it go???????

BroJoseph
Ogden, UT

And a petition is being circulated to "withdraw" from the US as a separate entity state?
In light of this article..Utah has very little hope of even surviving on ots own!!

Why would I?
Farmington, UT

I wouldn't be so sure, BroJoseph, as they seemed to do ok when Utah was just a territory. Of course back then they had a simple rule: If you wanted to eat, you had to work. A welfare safety net was available but it wasn't free. That might give any society a fair chance of survival. But then again....maybe the USA could survive, too, if they used that same parameter.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hey, Legislators, the answer is obvious. Cut spending to match the expected revenue, and not a dime more. If you want to spend more than that, the first thing shoudl be to zero out the pay and allowances for members of the Legislature and spend that on whatever is deemed to be so much more important.

This is not Washington, so we cannot just print money, or borrow endlessly from China or Montana. Or like the idiots running California who are clueless about financial discipline.

ABITOUTSIDE
Central, UT

The good news is we can still keep building roads, no shortage of funding there. We need to change the state flag to a picture of an orange cone. They start construction from Payson to Spanish Fork. We are still paying for Salt Lake County reconstruction and now have added Utah county on top of that. No Money? No management?

wer
South Jordan, UT

Is the additional $35 million for state employees health insurance increases due to Obamacare??

Orem Parent
Orem, UT

I hate to say it but it is time for a small tax increase or at least a cut in exemptions.

Why would I?
Farmington, UT

I hate to say it but it is time to reduce spending (and/or programs) to a level where current taxes will support the government.

Incite Full
Layton, UT

The healthcare cost increase is due to Obamacare. Utah, like many states, was banking on it being repealed and now that there's no hope of it going away they're stuck having to obey the law.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Balanced budgets get personal.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

For those who want to cut spending, show me where state spending is fat.

Get rid of the child tax exemption. Make it that the people with large families in this state are no longer freeloading.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

"shortfall that resulted from a miscalculation by the Utah State Office of Education" maybe send teachers back to math class.

In defense of state employees. If you want them to pay more of their healthcare cost, then make their salaries equal to the private sector. Many are as much as 20% under with the insurance making up the pay difference.

Schools need to within better budgets. I'm not advocating teacher salary cuts, I believe they deserve there money. I'm talking about spending on equipment, too many sports and social activities. Schools are for education, not play.

metamoracoug
metamora, IL

Oh, heaven forbid! You Utahns can worry about your $200 million. Illinois Governor Quinn and his Democratic Leadership in the state legislature are over budget by BILLIONS this year . . . and last year . . . and the year before that . . . .

cjb
Bountiful, UT

I recently read Utah has the lowest severance tax in the Western States. If we are going to look at raising the tax on food, why not this too?

dumprake
Washington, UT

America has been lied to about Obamacare--from the very beginning. Obamacare will not reduce the cost of healthcare (the first lie was in the name of the bill). Any eight grader with a basic understanding of economics could have told us that Obamacare will not reduce the cost of healthcare. The government has never gotten into anything that made it cost less. What a sham. Now Obama was huge tax increases (surprise surprise), and the "trickle down government" will force every state to spend more on healthcare too. Is this an impeachable offense? I hope Utah will do the right thing. Taxes cannot be increased, that is no solution. How about a small, across the board cuts in every department in the state--including education and retirements? In an economy like this, to even think about tax increases is criminal.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

@ mark

Look at UDOT if you want to see wasted funds. Have they ever wasted any money? Why are UDOT and UTA competing, kingdom-building agencies? Why aren't they working together?

Look at $25 million from a "miscalculation" in the State Office of Education. At the time we were told to not worry because there were funds available to cover it.

Look at all the "message" bills the Legislature passes and which we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending in court, usually to lose.

Look at the four-day work week and what a fiasco that was for anyone doing business with the State of Utah, realizing the cost savings were more imagined than real.

These are a few examples. Certainly there are more. (How much was wasted on the last round of elections that could have been better spent?) And if the time spent to campaign by incumbents was spent working more could have been accomplished.

Ever dealt with the State Tax Commission? Why does it take 4 tries to get something astraightened out that they assure you is fixed each of the previous visits?

Ad infinitem......believe me!

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Here's a "twofer" - ENFORCE illegal immigration and mandate e-verify for all employees.

You'll get more actual legal citizens with jobs and less illegal immigrants' children to educate.

Wouldn't cost much either.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

There seems to be tax structure problem. If employment is slowly improving in Utah as the governor touts, yet the state continually falls further behind every year in the ability to fund growth in education, then something is wrong with the tax structure. I'm guessing that the majority of growth in Utah is people with families who pay too little in taxes as opposed to the education needs of their children. Over the last ten years, the legislature continually lowered income tax rates in order to lure business. (The income tax goes into the school fund). The promise was that the taxes would be made up by the incoming families and their income tax contributions. In other words, low taxes for corporations would be offset by more families paying into the system; however, there was one major flaw. Those families also mean more children. Those children use more in resources than their parents pay in income tax. This is a net negative and will continue to deplete education funds unless something is done to restructure it to where it is more sustainable. It is time for the legislature to get to work and solve this dilemma.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, of your list the only one I see that would indicate fat in the budget is the message bills. I would hardly think that the education budget is fat considering we spend the least per pupil in the union. And I have no idea why you would think miscalculating the amount needed would indicate fat in the budget. I also have no idea why you would think the state running an election would be a sign of fat in the budget. And just because you had a problem calculating your taxes correctly doesn't mean that the state tax commission has fat in its budget. As far as UDOT and UTA as far as I know they work very well together. UDOT also seems to be a very efficient agency nowadays. UTA? Maybe you don't like public transportation, but that doesn't mean UTA runs fat. Besides, they are private. Just how smart do you think you are?

But anyway, I don't agree with much that the folks on the hill do in Utah, but they do run a rather tight fiscal ship, overall. Utah runs very lean.

don17
Temecula, CA

Help solve your taxing problem by bringing in more businesses which pay taxes and hire workers that pay taxes.

California just passed 70 plus billion in new taxes over the next 10 years plus additional sales tax increases so this state is open for business. That is for smart city, county and state economic deveolpment agencies who go after California businesses.

California's a one party rule state now with super majorities in the Senate and Assembly. They are already proposing tens of billions in new taxes for the Democrat Governor to sign.

California businesses are packing up! Invite them to Utah. The percent of Republicans in California is declining rapidly as the taxes go up and as Democrat leaning immigrants and illegal immigrants raid the treasury here!

Utah needs a state Program called:

Invite a Business program, similar to Invite a Neighbor program.

If Utahn's were smart they would hire people like me who know Economics and California business needs and information on who is looking to leave!

284 million in new tax revenue is nothing to reach for!

Perspective: City of L.A. 300 billion dollar deficit this year. L.A Schools. 250 billion dollar deficit! Spending to Much!

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