The article says The Greater Canyonlands is the largest roadless area in the
Nation's lower 48 states.Senator David Hinkins R-Orangville
said "designation would cut off access to a lot of people, especially the
elderly and disabled veterans"."This is supposed to be a
great tourist designation and thats one of the reasons they say we're
keeping this so that the people can see it. OK, fine. Lets let the people see it
then". Said Hinkins.I would be surprised if anyone outside of
David Hinkins and the people of Orangville would have an idea of what the
Senator has tried to expressed.
This is "wilderness creep." If SUWA can't win through fair play,
they'll win through dirty tricks. It's just that plain and simple.
We don't need any more public lands in Utah. There are already plenty.
By the way, Procura, your comment about the forgotten industries doesn't
hold much water.First, there is virtually no farming done on
multiple use lands.Yes, there is grazing where water is available --
but grazing is heavily subsidized by taxpayers in all the other states as well
as Utah. Think of it as welfare for ranchers.And a national
monument is not off-limits to anyone but those who would abuse it.But factual posts have never been one of your strong points, have they?
Ah, Procura --- isn't paranoia fun!
Re: "In contrast, in 2006 the Energy Industry brought $192,716,693 in tax
revenue to Utah. So which industry is of greatest benefit to Utah's
taxpayers?"You sorta forgot to mention farming, ranching,
mining, and recreational use of multiple-use lands not involving the products of
these 100 companies whose lips are being moved by power-mad environmental
bullies.Bottom line -- the are LOTS of real people that want
liberals NOT to convert our beloved West into an off-limits petting zoo for a
very few East-Bench, SUWA elites and a small cabal of out-of-state, out-of-touch
liberals.Way, WAY more than 100.But, we know the
President has already promised them our lands and our livelihoods. That's
why he won't listen to real people.
Once again the environmetalists can't get what they want by ramming through
wilderness and national monuments the legal way so they try to get President
Obama, with no sense of land policy to do it for them. They totally disregard
the wishes of the majority in Utah to simply lock people out. All one has to do
now is go to Moab or any other southern community to find out who really drives
their economies. It's not the environmentalists who camp out, ride their
bikes and eat a cup of noodles for dinner. The real drivers of economies of
Southern Utah are those who come to ride their ATVs, Jeeps, and 4X4 rock
crawlers. They stay in the motels, buy gasoline, and eat in the restaurants and
fast food establishments and enjoy the beautiful scenery. And to say these
machine users don't respect the land is more untruth from Eastern
Environmentalists like Rep. Maurice Hinche and SUWA. SUWA knows they can't
win the hearts of Utahns close off all the recreational lands so they run and
bow down to the President for help.
Before people start yowling about "Easterners" dictating to Utah, here
are some stats. Of the 100 signers on the letter only 12 are from the East.Two are from Europe (Britain and Switzerland)Three are from
Idaho, two from Wyoming, and one from Montana58 are from West of the
Mississippi. Most of those are from the western part of Colorado.45
are from Utah.And of the 45 from Utah, 17 are from Moab.Very interesting.The Outdoor Recreation Industry in this country
is $646 BILLION dollar industry. Of that, outdoor recreation brings about $256
Billion to western states -- with about $80 billion to Utah alone. In western
states, including Utah, there are about 2.3 million jobs directly connected to
outdoor recreation. That does not include jobs in gas stations, motels,
restaurants and other support industries.More information may be
found by Googling Utah Tourism Profile.In 2006, tourism produced
112,572 jobs in Utah and a Tax Revenue of $568 Million. In
contrast, in 2006 the Energy Industry brought $192,716,693 in tax revenue to
Utah. So which industry is of greatest benefit to Utah's taxpayers?Tourism beats energy by $400 million.
Tourism is not nearly as helpful to the local economy as oil, gas, copper,
uranium, vanadium and other mineral resources are. I hope the Feds do not get
any more control over what should be Utah's land. The Federal government
already controls too much of our lives.
The one thing I think Clinton did right (and there weren't many things) was
create Escalante monument.If Utah was truly interested in economic
developmental, they would have insisted it be a national PARK (there is far more
latitude in providing roads and access in parks than monuments and far more
economic stimulus)Utah should get ahead of Obama and come up with
better boundaries for Canyonlands National PARK and create a new San Rafael
Oh my, the misinformation and outright lies that are already showing up is
simply astounding. Rep Dinkins, get your facts straight. A monument proposal is
not a wilderness proposal. The management plan would have to be developed - by
law - with input from the public and all local officials. It would not preclude
access of any kind, including motorized. The GSENM has over 900 MILES of
designated motorized routes. Are you locked out of that monument? Hardly! The
canyonlands area is one of the most archeologically rich areas in the world.
Perhaps what this WOULD do is limit access to some of those areas from looters
(like in San Juan County) who have no respect at all for the land or history.
This would be a boom the economy of southeastern Utah. Plain and simple, for the
long term. Get over this ridiculous mindset that one has to pilfer minerals or
travel willy-nilly with a motor between your legs in order to find value in
these amazing lands.
This is a great Idea. I and my family will have ownership in some of the most
beautiful country in the America.
Canyonlands is already a very large national park. Why do we need more? Most
of the area is not accessible anyway, so nothing would change.
This a GREAT idea. If you think this a government "land grab" the Feds
already own 90% of Utah. This will HELP the economy of Southern Utah, provide
jobs and protect some of the most beautiful country in the world. Utahan's
underestimate the value of their State. Yes it should be protected from oil and
gas development and any kind of mining.
I have a great idea. Post a No Trespassing sign at the state line reading
Federal Government stay out.
A Great Idea. Hopefully, our President follows through for future generations.
As usual, a lot of misinformation and outright fibs already popping up in
opposition to this proposal.One of the most common
"arguments" against preserving wilderness is the tired old saw quoted
from Rep. Dinkins claiming that it will "lock out" people who are
"old, disabled and veterans." Poppycock! I'd sure like to see
some numbers supporting that. If people are too old, or too disabled whether
they be veterans or not, they probably are not even interested in access. And
if they are, horses are welcome in wilderness. This limits access by machines
and reckless ATV riders. It does not limit access by people.What's really at stake here is big dollar signs. But dollars have more
attraction for some folks than beauty or other intangibles.
US Constitution Art. 1, 8, 17.OK, Pres. Clinton violated it using an
unconstitutional move, getting away with it because Congress and the US Supreme
Court both don't seem to give a rip about the Constitution, so we are real
excited for the Feds to do it again?From the debates creating Art.
1, 8 17:"On the residue, to wit, "to exercise like authority over
all places purchased for forts &c."Mr Gerry contended that
this power might be made use of to enslave any particular State by buying up its
territory, and that the strongholds proposed would be a means of awing the State
into an undue obedience to the Genl. Government--"Mr. King
thought himself the provision unnecessary, the power being already involved: but
would move to insert after the word "purchased" the words "by the
consent of the Legislature of the State" This would certainly make the power
Kralon, years ago Orin Hatch made this exact proposial to the Clinton
administration. That is when we learned the enviromental movement is all about
massive amounts of money. It is not about saving land or protecting the
enviroment, it is about HUGE donations. Utah has enough federal national
monuments and closed land. There are those who have private land that are
actually being closed off of their own land. A great deal of school lands are
closed off too. This is so terrible for our state. My ancestors came here over
200 years ago and it is still a beautiful place. Why must we close it off and
make it totally unaccessable? History Nut, Obama dosen't even listen to his
own cabinet, why would he listen to Matheson?
Senator Lee's petulant behavior over the administrations appointments has
rendered him useless in influencing this kind of thing. Creating a national
monument might even be a way for the President to retaliate. Senator Hatch may
have some clout given his prior willingness to reach out but he too, burned
bridges. Utahns may be grateful that Matheson won the 4th district. He's
likely the only one in this Red state that the administration might listen to.
I think of myself as an environmentalist, but maybe we need a reality check
here. Utah is already 75% owned by state and federal government (doesn't
include city ownership) which places Utah 3rd. Only Alaska and Nevada have a
larger percentage owned by government. Let these groups look at other places
that need more recreational area such as Maryland at 7.6% or Delaware at 2.5% or
Massachusetts at 6.3%. The west is largely owned by government, yet
more people live in the east, the east needs more areas set aside for recreation
and enjoyment, not the west! These groups are just picking on the west because
there are fewer people here to complain about it! Most of the outdoor
recreational businesses are based in the west because more of the west is owned
by the government, so they just want to expand their local business! Let them
pick a difficult but more beneficial target (more beneficial to the USA as a
whole) like more of the Great Smoky Mountains or more of the coastline in the
Contact your representatives and senators - another Fed Govt land grab for the
You can be sure that the radicals in the Obama administration will jump on this
and quickly make it happen. The mere thought of accessing any energy sources is
enough to make them lock it so it can never be used. And, the enviros are
always eager to ban vehicles and limit access to able bodies hikers and the
like, not families with kids or seniors.Utah needs to fight this all
the way. There is quite enough federal land with thight access restrictions and
use already. Not one acre more! If anything remove existing
restrictions imposed by all federal agencies.