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Published: Monday, Nov. 12 2012 5:18 p.m. MST

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DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

You can be sure that the radicals in the Obama administration will jump on this and quickly make it happen. The mere thought of accessing any energy sources is enough to make them lock it so it can never be used. And, the enviros are always eager to ban vehicles and limit access to able bodies hikers and the like, not families with kids or seniors.

Utah needs to fight this all the way. There is quite enough federal land with thight access restrictions and use already.

Not one acre more! If anything remove existing restrictions imposed by all federal agencies.

Woodyff
Mapleton, UT

Contact your representatives and senators - another Fed Govt land grab for the environmental nuts.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

I think of myself as an environmentalist, but maybe we need a reality check here. Utah is already 75% owned by state and federal government (doesn't include city ownership) which places Utah 3rd. Only Alaska and Nevada have a larger percentage owned by government. Let these groups look at other places that need more recreational area such as Maryland at 7.6% or Delaware at 2.5% or Massachusetts at 6.3%.

The west is largely owned by government, yet more people live in the east, the east needs more areas set aside for recreation and enjoyment, not the west! These groups are just picking on the west because there are fewer people here to complain about it! Most of the outdoor recreational businesses are based in the west because more of the west is owned by the government, so they just want to expand their local business! Let them pick a difficult but more beneficial target (more beneficial to the USA as a whole) like more of the Great Smoky Mountains or more of the coastline in the East!

History Nut
Cedar Hills, UT

Senator Lee's petulant behavior over the administrations appointments has rendered him useless in influencing this kind of thing. Creating a national monument might even be a way for the President to retaliate. Senator Hatch may have some clout given his prior willingness to reach out but he too, burned bridges. Utahns may be grateful that Matheson won the 4th district. He's likely the only one in this Red state that the administration might listen to.

county mom
Monroe, UT

Kralon, years ago Orin Hatch made this exact proposial to the Clinton administration. That is when we learned the enviromental movement is all about massive amounts of money. It is not about saving land or protecting the enviroment, it is about HUGE donations. Utah has enough federal national monuments and closed land. There are those who have private land that are actually being closed off of their own land. A great deal of school lands are closed off too. This is so terrible for our state. My ancestors came here over 200 years ago and it is still a beautiful place. Why must we close it off and make it totally unaccessable? History Nut, Obama dosen't even listen to his own cabinet, why would he listen to Matheson?

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

US Constitution Art. 1, 8, 17.

OK, Pres. Clinton violated it using an unconstitutional move, getting away with it because Congress and the US Supreme Court both don't seem to give a rip about the Constitution, so we are real excited for the Feds to do it again?

From the debates creating Art. 1, 8 17:
"On the residue, to wit, "to exercise like authority over all places purchased for forts &c.

"Mr Gerry contended that this power might be made use of to enslave any particular State by buying up its territory, and that the strongholds proposed would be a means of awing the State into an undue obedience to the Genl. Government--

"Mr. King thought himself the provision unnecessary, the power being already involved: but would move to insert after the word "purchased" the words "by the consent of the Legislature of the State" This would certainly make the power safe."

one old man
Ogden, UT

As usual, a lot of misinformation and outright fibs already popping up in opposition to this proposal.

One of the most common "arguments" against preserving wilderness is the tired old saw quoted from Rep. Dinkins claiming that it will "lock out" people who are "old, disabled and veterans." Poppycock! I'd sure like to see some numbers supporting that. If people are too old, or too disabled whether they be veterans or not, they probably are not even interested in access. And if they are, horses are welcome in wilderness. This limits access by machines and reckless ATV riders. It does not limit access by people.

What's really at stake here is big dollar signs. But dollars have more attraction for some folks than beauty or other intangibles.

FT
salt lake city, UT

A Great Idea. Hopefully, our President follows through for future generations.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I have a great idea. Post a No Trespassing sign at the state line reading Federal Government stay out.

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

This a GREAT idea. If you think this a government "land grab" the Feds already own 90% of Utah. This will HELP the economy of Southern Utah, provide jobs and protect some of the most beautiful country in the world. Utahan's underestimate the value of their State. Yes it should be protected from oil and gas development and any kind of mining.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Canyonlands is already a very large national park. Why do we need more? Most of the area is not accessible anyway, so nothing would change.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

This is a great Idea. I and my family will have ownership in some of the most beautiful country in the America.

deserthound
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh my, the misinformation and outright lies that are already showing up is simply astounding. Rep Dinkins, get your facts straight. A monument proposal is not a wilderness proposal. The management plan would have to be developed - by law - with input from the public and all local officials. It would not preclude access of any kind, including motorized. The GSENM has over 900 MILES of designated motorized routes. Are you locked out of that monument? Hardly! The canyonlands area is one of the most archeologically rich areas in the world. Perhaps what this WOULD do is limit access to some of those areas from looters (like in San Juan County) who have no respect at all for the land or history. This would be a boom the economy of southeastern Utah. Plain and simple, for the long term. Get over this ridiculous mindset that one has to pilfer minerals or travel willy-nilly with a motor between your legs in order to find value in these amazing lands.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

The one thing I think Clinton did right (and there weren't many things) was create Escalante monument.
If Utah was truly interested in economic developmental, they would have insisted it be a national PARK (there is far more latitude in providing roads and access in parks than monuments and far more economic stimulus)

Utah should get ahead of Obama and come up with better boundaries for Canyonlands National PARK and create a new San Rafael National PARK

photobeauty
Blanding, UT

Tourism is not nearly as helpful to the local economy as oil, gas, copper, uranium, vanadium and other mineral resources are. I hope the Feds do not get any more control over what should be Utah's land. The Federal government already controls too much of our lives.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Before people start yowling about "Easterners" dictating to Utah, here are some stats. Of the 100 signers on the letter only 12 are from the East.

Two are from Europe (Britain and Switzerland)

Three are from Idaho, two from Wyoming, and one from Montana

58 are from West of the Mississippi. Most of those are from the western part of Colorado.

45 are from Utah.

And of the 45 from Utah, 17 are from Moab.

Very interesting.

The Outdoor Recreation Industry in this country is $646 BILLION dollar industry. Of that, outdoor recreation brings about $256 Billion to western states -- with about $80 billion to Utah alone. In western states, including Utah, there are about 2.3 million jobs directly connected to outdoor recreation. That does not include jobs in gas stations, motels, restaurants and other support industries.

More information may be found by Googling Utah Tourism Profile.

In 2006, tourism produced 112,572 jobs in Utah and a Tax Revenue of $568 Million.

In contrast, in 2006 the Energy Industry brought $192,716,693 in tax revenue to Utah. So which industry is of greatest benefit to Utah's taxpayers?

Tourism beats energy by $400 million.

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT

Once again the environmetalists can't get what they want by ramming through wilderness and national monuments the legal way so they try to get President Obama, with no sense of land policy to do it for them. They totally disregard the wishes of the majority in Utah to simply lock people out. All one has to do now is go to Moab or any other southern community to find out who really drives their economies. It's not the environmentalists who camp out, ride their bikes and eat a cup of noodles for dinner. The real drivers of economies of Southern Utah are those who come to ride their ATVs, Jeeps, and 4X4 rock crawlers. They stay in the motels, buy gasoline, and eat in the restaurants and fast food establishments and enjoy the beautiful scenery. And to say these machine users don't respect the land is more untruth from Eastern Environmentalists like Rep. Maurice Hinche and SUWA. SUWA knows they can't win the hearts of Utahns close off all the recreational lands so they run and bow down to the President for help.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "In contrast, in 2006 the Energy Industry brought $192,716,693 in tax revenue to Utah. So which industry is of greatest benefit to Utah's taxpayers?"

You sorta forgot to mention farming, ranching, mining, and recreational use of multiple-use lands not involving the products of these 100 companies whose lips are being moved by power-mad environmental bullies.

Bottom line -- the are LOTS of real people that want liberals NOT to convert our beloved West into an off-limits petting zoo for a very few East-Bench, SUWA elites and a small cabal of out-of-state, out-of-touch liberals.

Way, WAY more than 100.

But, we know the President has already promised them our lands and our livelihoods. That's why he won't listen to real people.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Ah, Procura --- isn't paranoia fun!

one old man
Ogden, UT

By the way, Procura, your comment about the forgotten industries doesn't hold much water.

First, there is virtually no farming done on multiple use lands.

Yes, there is grazing where water is available -- but grazing is heavily subsidized by taxpayers in all the other states as well as Utah. Think of it as welfare for ranchers.

And a national monument is not off-limits to anyone but those who would abuse it.

But factual posts have never been one of your strong points, have they?

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