No one could possibly have had posession because it must have been blown
sometime after the fumble by the quarterback. Had the team that last had
posession recovered the fumble, there would have been a loss of down and lost
yardage. The whistle was very fortunate for Manti and very misfortunate for San
Juan. Thanks for the info!
I just looked up the rule and it says the team in possession of the ball at the
time of the inadvertent whistle has the choice of taking it at the spot or
replaying the down. This is what the ruling was at the game. Where it gets a
little sticky is I'm pretty sure no one had possession at the time of the
inadvertent whistle. Couldn't find any information on that scenario, but it
must go back to the offense in a situation like that otherwise who knows what
the referee was doing.
I was hoping for some informative feedback regarding the inadvertant whistle
blown in the San Juan/Manti game.
Some good points made about school size not being the real factor. CTJfan hit it
on the head when he stated that Manti has built a winning program. This has more
to do with things than school size. The only thing enrollment can do to help out
is give you depth and increase competition which makes your players perform more
consistently. I look at schools like Canyon View, they are a bigger 3A school,
not the biggest but bigger than most the schools already mentioned, and they
struggle with football. On the flip side I believe at the last realignment
Highland High's enrollment was down and they were supposed to move to 3A.
They wanted to stay 4A and even though they were probably the smallest 4A school
in the state were a Semi-Final team this year. It's all about building and
sustaining a winning program not how many kids your school forces to choke down
school lunch everyday.
I haven't seen the realignment myself, rumors are they plan on splitting
3A. As I understand it there will be small changes to 1A and 2A the smaller 3A
schools most of which are rural and the smaller will make up 3A, 4A will be made
up of the now larger or mostly urban 3A schools, 4A will be the new 5A and 5A
the new 6A. Like I said this is only what I've heard, I may be wrong. If
someone knows for sure please post and correct me.As far as winning
championships it shouldn't be easy. My personal opinion is most the people
who are complaining are only doing so, so their teams can gain an advantage
because it's either been a long time since they've won one or they
never have. There is a good reason why things like championships and undefeated
seasons are special, because they aren't common. The playing fields will
never be level no matter how realignment is done. You just play who is on your
schedule do your best and leave it all on the field.
Every time we have to listening to the griping about school size I ask the same
question: How many football state titles did Juab win while they were one of the
larger schools in 2A? How many did North Sanpete win? How many has Richfield won
in the last 20 years (many of those years spent in 2A)?Manti has
built a PROGRAM (remember, they tied for their region championship the first
year they were in 3A). We don't need six classifications! 5 is enough.
Eveyone doesn't need a trophy. Manti, Delta, North Sanpete, Juab, Emery,
Richfield, Gunnison, Millard, Beaver, San Juan, Grand...all of these central
Utah rural schools should be in 2A. Then a state championship would really mean
something...you beat your peers.
I know a lot of Delta fans so I've just never heard of any complaining from
them, but Me, Myself and I, your right I don't know all of them and
I'm sure some do complain, however they have a much bigger reason to
complain than anyone in 2A. Have you seen the realignment? Where does San Juan
fit into that anyway? The point more than any I was trying to make is that
when Manti went up to 3A that was true disparity. When you play someone in
football and your going both ways when that team is not, that is truly a
disadvantage. It's tiring to hear the same old song sung by many, when I
played at Manti, we were one of the smallest if not the smallest and I
don't ever remember complaining that we got beat because of how big the
other schools were, we just played the schedule. That's my point.
@CTJfanFirst off I don't agree with 2Afan4life. San Juan always
tries to schedule bigger schools for their pre-season games and have no problems
playing whoever is on their schedule. As far as you not hearing whining coming
from Delta I'm guessing you don't keep up on the realignment talks,
because Delta's complaining (which I believe is as justified as
anyone's) is one of the main reasons the UHSAA is realigning every 2 years
instead of 4 and for going to 6 classifications in football.TemplarBlue hit it right on the head about last Saturday's game. I wish
more fans no matter who they support were like TemplarBlue, positive, accurate
2Afan$life - your kidding me with that non sense, it's amazing you'd
bring that up, for years Manti was one of the smallest schools in the
classification and we never complained. And it's funny how you bring up
Delta, now they have a REAL gripe, there 589 students you say have to compete
regularily against schools with a 1000 kids. Now that's a true disparity,
the big difference is that EVERY school in 2A has to play both ways, in 3A
that's not the case. I never hear Delta complain about it. I can't
imagine the whinning you'd do in that situation. If you look at the history
of the 2A for the past 20 years it's pretty even from small to big on who
won the title, if you look in 3A it's been 1 year in the last 20 that a
small school won. And how do you account for Richfield according to your
calculations they should've dominated this year they clearly are the bigger
school! Besides your not that much smaller, schools like North Sevier and
Gunnison, or Enterprise have more of a case than you.
I give San Juan credit for a hard fought, physical football game. They certainly
had the skill, the athletes and the coaching to win that game. The ball bounces
one way or the other or they go for two on the pat and convert, they win the
game. Two very evenly matched teams. The point is, they were playing to win, and
not worried about which school had more students. Congratulations to both teams
on a great season. Good Luck to you in the future!
Now if we can get the classifications figured out so we aren't forced to
play these schools that are more than double our size. Numbers are a factor in
the upper classifications, but once you get down to the lower end, the numbers
are a HUGE part of the program. How can a smaller 2A school compete with these
bigger 2A schools (according to the USOE, Richfield has 592 students 9-12, Manti
560 , South Summit 420, San Juan 398, Emery 396; as compared to Kanab 231 and
Enterprise 248). Just as a reference Delta, a 3A school, has 589 students. The
6 classifications cannot get here fast enough to help with this issue.
Congratulations to Manti and San Juan! I think there is no doubt these were the
best two teams in 2A.It was a fight to the end! Great game!
Wow Manti almost blew that game, a mental lapse at the end of the game, but they
didn't panic and won the game in dramatic fashion. Wasn't sure how
they would do this year with losing there entire line except for 1 guy but those
new guys came through for those seniors. It was finally nice to see a good game,
there were only a couple times this season where the game was challenging, and
today they got a chance to play a very good team. Have to give it to San Juan
for not giving up to the very end. Both defenses played well, Manti has done
that all year there points against was a little deceiving since most of the
points given up was on the J.V who usually played most of the second half the
entire year. Great season Manti, it was really good to see the back to back
Congrats to Manti. I wasn't at the game but after watching the broncos
throughout the season I'm certain that Manti is a very tough team. Congrats
to SJ as well on an outstanding season. I'm sad to see the special teams
lose the game but you're all champions in my book.
Bronco I hope you've noticed this kid. BYU has needed a couch kicker for
years. Here's your kid! Congrats to Manti and San Juan. Two classy
programs who know how to compete night in and night out!
Awesome win Manti! Defense played great! Offense held onto the ball and
didn't make costly mistakes. Special teams had an awesom game! 2 straight
for the Templars!!!