It doesn't shock you because you're too busy being sad. That's
the other part.
why doesn't this story shock me? And that is the saddest part.
I get a kick out people saying coaches only play the best players. Some coaches
have a weak eye when it comes to evaluating talent. I have seen at the high
school level kids get cut by coaches and then bring on a rich member of the
communities son who has no business on the team. And No my kid didnt play that
sport. So Coaches please stop saying that all coaches only pick the best
players. Simply not true.
Two weeks ago my friend and I attended a Jordan game at JHS. There was a
defensive coach using abusive language on the sideline at the football game at
JHS. My friend and I (who are not Jordan fans - just sports fans) sat in awe as
we watched this coach verbally demean the young man on the sideline with the use
of foul language. The father of the player being yelled at started yelling at
the coach to stop from the stands, and a man in a Jordan coat (I assume an
administrator) walked into the stands and calmed him down. Having
read the article I am wondering if this young man's father is the same man
at the Rice Eccles game who was trying to defend his son from verbal abuse two
weeks ago. I could not believe what I was seeing on the sideline, it was
@Gravedigger72If you read the article above it was talking about an
altercation between a parent and a coach. My comments were about the coach in
question and not the boys on the team. I have coached a few of those boys in the
past and wish them nothing but the best on Friday and in the future as well. I
just wish the boys had better role models as coaches.So good luck to the boys on
Jo Mamma, you're right, they do make more money "somehow." Some
wake up early to instruct driver's ed, some work manual labor over the
summers, some teach, or perform other full-time jobs. Wake up, please.
@Jo Momma,No matter what you say the coaches do not make anywhere
near what you think they make. Head coaches get a stipend of $3000 to $5000
depending on the district. If the assistant coach is a teacher they make a
little more around $2500 if it is a paraprofessional volunteer they make around
$500 for the whole season. Do you really think that parents would
come to a consensus on who would start and who would not? If they want to spend
and extra 40 hours per week on top of their full time job going to practice,
film sessions, meetings etc then they should have a say. Parents only see a
small fraction on what goes on in a program. If the only source of information
is from their player, remember kids in general tend to exaggerate what goes on
(both for the worse, and better). Please do some research first,
this is Utah....not Texas.
i think they make more money somehow and i think that parents should have a say
in who starts or not by some type of playoff or tryout practice. it is our
money that pays coaches from taxes.
@Jo MommaDo you Coach? If you did, you would know that no coach in
Utah makes that amount of money, not even close. They should however, but that
will never happen. I do know for a fact that Head Football Coaches in Washington
County (St. George schools) make depending on how long they have coached in the
district roughly $3,000 for a season. Most assistants will make 1200 to 600
dollars a season. This includes all extra film, and training sessions, as well
as summers this roughly comes out to about pennies per hour, that these men make
for a season. There is absolutely no amount of parent crying that can be
justifiable for this amount of money. The only time a parent is justified in
saying anything would be if there child is being abused. Playing time, wins and
losses etc. are not an excuse to attack a man who makes pennies on the hour and
spends countless hours away from his children to help raise others. Parents have
as much responsibilty in the success of their sons experience as a coach does,
and negativity from home will ruin that experience. Players can't serve 2
Jo Mamma that's awesome thought. I have coached high school
football for 9 years and at the most "elite" places. The only way a
head coach makes even remotely close to that is if he was going to take money
from the booster club, taking money from the camps and other means etc etc.
Needless to say, no head coach makes 25k just coaching.As for asst
coaches, as i said i have coached for 9 years and won state championships, the
most ever paid is about 2,500, for those counting that works out to about
nothing after the hours and hours and hours. Coaches in general get
a bad rap sometimes, though I know in this particular case, this coach probably
has little business being around 16-18 year olds especially when you believe the
best way to relate or interact with them is to act like an 18 year old...
I bet coaches make at least $25,000 per season. well maybe the head coach. the
assistants gotta make $10.000 to $15,000 per season. for all that money they
can take a little bit of parents getting mad.
Coach Randy, what is this "dark cloud hanging over Jordan for some
time"? I'm not aware of this- Seems like a great, happy, tough group
of kids from what I've observed at the games
Parent risk,1) Coaches aren't compensated enough for the
hours/months spent. When coach underperforms, we fire him with little
introspect. . .2) Hard time siding with a parent who bickers with
coach who takes son to 5A State. . .3) I love italian food in pretty
much any fashion. . .4) Some coaches ought to worry about winning
games of their own, and stay off the band wagon. . .5) Gold dot
pride!. . .6) Isn't there a bypass of process for a parent who
ought to have made a formalized complaint - documenting and addressing the
regular procedures. . . versus public insult for the coach.7)
Coaches in the South make $90,000 with full stadium. . .8) Eric Kjar
for President. He'd win.9) Let's try and think a little
more about the kids. . .10) Way to go J Crew. Take State.
@mdYep, all coaches based on if they only coaches kids, booster kids, kids
with "the name", kids of rich parents, coaches relative....yada yada
yada.........sour grapes......those coaches wont be coaching very long.Shame on the Deseret news for letting THAT blog go thru....it's amazing
what the D news lets go, and what they block....I bet this gets blocked!
As a polynesian and parent of a student-athlete, I am totally ashamed of the
actions of Mr. Malae. I dont know the facts, but one thing I do know, is that
this behavior is unexceptable, no matter what the situation. Its these types of
actions that give polys a bad rep. I was born and raised backed in the
islands,so you cant tell me that I dont know the poly life. God,family and
respect for others is what I was taught.I have had my days, when I wondered why
isnt my son playing?, or why the coaches make the choices they do. its High
School football,coaches for any team are expectedto win, or try their hardest to
win. therefore they (coaches) play the players they think can help them achieve
that goal. its not little league,you are not required your 8 plays,its up to the
coaches to play who they think the best players are, as parents we might not
always agree, but thats why we are parents and not coaches. Coach K
and Jordan HS good luck at state..!!
I once heard that the happiest coaches, coach at an orphanage.
This story has a whole other side to it that is not being looked into. Stay
Sad thing is....this is not the only incident involving this man.....
The happiest coaches are the ones who coach at an orphanage.
Amen Rational, parents have become terrible. Sad thing is it carries over into
adult hood for the kid and they think they are entitled to something.
Sports would be more fun for everyone -- if fewer parents were involved.
Yes, the coach is the QB's father...
Coacn Randy is right. This coach has a reputation that dates back to little
league and has continued into high school.
@mdReally, sounds like you'd like to be one of the unbiased
evaluators. That's an anrealistic thought. Coaches pick kids based upon
their x's and o's, not who's kid they are. If kids can play they
make the team, if they can't they don't. I've seen parents mad
about their kid getting cut, when they didn't even make grades! The coach
had no control.
re; MD You sound like a bitter parent.I am a coach and have no
doubt I am the reason that many a kid "did not win the Heisman"...just
ask their parents.Parents need to learn to let the kids earn what
they get in regards to playing time. There are alot of talent athletes on any
team. Blood is thicker than water! Parents all believe their kid
should be the MVP... guess what... one parent is right! The rest are wrong.
I'm amazed by events like this because parents are unwilling to accept the
reality of their kids abilities. Coaches get fired, that's
right fired, when they fail to have success on the field. Thus, coaches play
the best kids based upon their system and goals for the program. Parents who
think otherwise are foolish. I play kids who are not my favorites, have too!Parents need to focus on being parents. Let coaches focus on coaching.
If you don't like a coaches decissions 'go after their job' not
them. I've accepted that there are two kinds of coaches. "Those that
have been fired, and those that are going to be!"
No opinion on the incident after the Jordan/Lone Peak game. I'm sure the
facts will come out. However....@md"High school
sports have so many political issues and biases from the coaches that the best
players rarely are the ones who are playing." What are these
"political issues"? Health care? Immigration? War in Afghanistan?
There is a term for coaches with biases who rarely play the best players: that
term is "ex-coach". When a coaches job depends on winning, he/she
probably puts the players on the field/court that will help ensure that they
keep the job they love. If they lose this source of income, they will most
certainly be forced to sell their plasma to make up the deficit and pay the
@mdI'm sure your perspective is your reality, however I think
it is a pretty cheap shot at the the majority of coaches who are trying to do
the best job they know how to do. I find your comments insulting and degrading
to people who put forth an incredible amount of time for very little financial
compensation. These are the same people I see attending mission farewells,
wedding receptions, funerals, etc. They give of their time because they
genuinely care about kids.
Is this coach the QB's dad? I'm just wondering.
There has definitely been a dark cloud hanging over this Jordan program, and
while the coach involved may not have been at fault in this incident, he has a
long history of problems. Jordan's administration has been turning a blind
eye to the behavior of this coach for several years and when something blows up
they've left themselves wide open to legal action. Alta banned him from
their program, as did Juan Diego, it's becoming obvious Jordan
should've done the same thing long ago.
md:So what happened here? Did it make the parent look good?
Evidently, people are worried that he embarrassed his family and community.Are coaches perfect? NO! I don't know this coach's
particular history like one of the posters above but if there is any truth to
it, probably even a better reason why confronting the coach right after the game
is a bad idea. I would guess md that his own son is mortified by his
father's actions. So again tell me where my rule above was NOT a good
idea? Further, since Jordan has lost all but one game and in the
championship game and winning games by large measure, their coaches must be
playing the right players. Maybe not on every single unit but heck, I
don't know if you could say a NFL coach could evaluate talent that well.
But I suppose they are playing the best talent in their own eyes rather than
just players who parents contributed money to the program, or else they would
probably be 5-6 and well done before this opportunity.Coaches are
flawed yes but given the job to direct a program, they should evaluate these
@Coach PNote to coaches:I think it would be amazing if coaches
could abide by the one principle that would make us respect them more. Let the
best players play. High school sports have so many political issues and biases
from the coaches that the best players rarely are the ones who are playing. I
was told to be a booster and bring in more money if I wanted my son to play HS
basketball. I refused to be part of that. It only seems to be getting worse
with time. The coaches son always seems to find his way on the
team, despite the fact there are more intelligent, better athletes who are
getting cut. Tryouts should be done by unbiased evaluators. Coaches always
seem to have a chip on their shoulder towards parents and players. I can see
why there was a fight and am surprised that there aren't more of them. I have met a few good coaches over the years, but have been largely
unimpressed by the way they handle themselves. Remember coaches,
you are teachers. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well said coach P. Good luck Jordan. Go Diggers.
Excellent comment by Coach PEmotions are always high right after a
game...especially after a loss. Confronting anyone when you are upset
emotionally is a poor decision. The game was over. Nothing could change the
playing time. Let it go until Monday.Advice for coaches? Surround
yourself with plenty of people who will serve as a natural buffer (and possible
I totally agree coach P. But what everyone needs to understand is that the coach
involved has a long history of physical altercations with both parents and other
coaches. Specifically about 2 years ago he had a fight with another Jordan
assistant coachand at the beginning of the current football season he was also
involved in a fight that errupted at a scrimmage against Granger High School. He
also just recently was involved in an incident with the Jordan head basketball
coach as well. I have to wonder when the high school athletic association and
Jordan high school administration is going to stop turning a blind eye to the
whole situation. The Jordan football program has had a dark cloud looming over
it for quite some time now and by continuing to allow this man to coach in their
program only makes their future seem a lot more dismal.
As a Polyneisan parent I'm deeply embarrassed by Malae's behavior,not
all Polyneisan parents behave in such a manner.Our family know coach Kafentzis
he coached our son back in his Juan Diego days and let me tell you he's one
amazing coach he knows his stuff and the kids he coaches and there ability,coach
is a professional he would never start a fight with a parent of a player
that's just not coach K our family has nothing but great admiration for
coach K we follow Jordan football because he coaches there.I totally agree with
coach P I too totally blame the parent ,look if you have a problem with coach go
to your son's school make an appointment with coach and discuss your
concern with him like normal people for goodness sake!!
Note to parents:Even if you are totally convinced you're right,
you should always abide by this rule which I know many coaches have. It is the
no-24 hour contact rule. No parent conversation with a coach should
happen until 24 hours after the game. If it is a win, the coach wants to
celebrate it with his players and staff and family. If it is a loss, well it
should be obvious why it isn't a good idea to try to talk to a coach.After 24 hours, perspective and cool heads come into play for both
sides.Also, I wonder if the player has talked with his position
coach first, and the coach in question. I hated it as a coach when a parent
approaches a coach but the player never bothered to approach the coach with his
concerns first. There is a proper chain of command and it starts with the
player.I don't know the situation here but I would have to
fault the parent more than the coach. This should have been handled on Monday
in an office where again cooler heads could have prevailed. Now a cloud hangs
over Jordan's successes.