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Published: Friday, Nov. 9 2012 11:05 p.m. MST

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Coach P
Provo, UT

Note to parents:

Even if you are totally convinced you're right, you should always abide by this rule which I know many coaches have. It is the no-24 hour contact rule.

No parent conversation with a coach should happen until 24 hours after the game. If it is a win, the coach wants to celebrate it with his players and staff and family. If it is a loss, well it should be obvious why it isn't a good idea to try to talk to a coach.

After 24 hours, perspective and cool heads come into play for both sides.

Also, I wonder if the player has talked with his position coach first, and the coach in question. I hated it as a coach when a parent approaches a coach but the player never bothered to approach the coach with his concerns first. There is a proper chain of command and it starts with the player.

I don't know the situation here but I would have to fault the parent more than the coach. This should have been handled on Monday in an office where again cooler heads could have prevailed. Now a cloud hangs over Jordan's successes.

islandlove
sandy, UT

As a Polyneisan parent I'm deeply embarrassed by Malae's behavior,not all Polyneisan parents behave in such a manner.Our family know coach Kafentzis he coached our son back in his Juan Diego days and let me tell you he's one amazing coach he knows his stuff and the kids he coaches and there ability,coach is a professional he would never start a fight with a parent of a player that's just not coach K our family has nothing but great admiration for coach K we follow Jordan football because he coaches there.I totally agree with coach P I too totally blame the parent ,look if you have a problem with coach go to your son's school make an appointment with coach and discuss your concern with him like normal people for goodness sake!!

Coach Randy
midvale, UT

I totally agree coach P. But what everyone needs to understand is that the coach involved has a long history of physical altercations with both parents and other coaches. Specifically about 2 years ago he had a fight with another Jordan assistant coachand at the beginning of the current football season he was also involved in a fight that errupted at a scrimmage against Granger High School. He also just recently was involved in an incident with the Jordan head basketball coach as well. I have to wonder when the high school athletic association and Jordan high school administration is going to stop turning a blind eye to the whole situation. The Jordan football program has had a dark cloud looming over it for quite some time now and by continuing to allow this man to coach in their program only makes their future seem a lot more dismal.

Sampson
Orem, UT

Excellent comment by Coach P

Emotions are always high right after a game...especially after a loss. Confronting anyone when you are upset emotionally is a poor decision. The game was over. Nothing could change the playing time. Let it go until Monday.

Advice for coaches? Surround yourself with plenty of people who will serve as a natural buffer (and possible witnesses).

BEETS
Tooele, UT

Well said coach P. Good luck Jordan. Go Diggers.

md
Cache, UT

@Coach P

Note to coaches:
I think it would be amazing if coaches could abide by the one principle that would make us respect them more. Let the best players play. High school sports have so many political issues and biases from the coaches that the best players rarely are the ones who are playing. I was told to be a booster and bring in more money if I wanted my son to play HS basketball. I refused to be part of that. It only seems to be getting worse with time.

The coaches son always seems to find his way on the team, despite the fact there are more intelligent, better athletes who are getting cut. Tryouts should be done by unbiased evaluators. Coaches always seem to have a chip on their shoulder towards parents and players. I can see why there was a fight and am surprised that there aren't more of them.

I have met a few good coaches over the years, but have been largely unimpressed by the way they handle themselves.

Remember coaches, you are teachers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Coach P
Provo, UT

md:

So what happened here? Did it make the parent look good? Evidently, people are worried that he embarrassed his family and community.

Are coaches perfect? NO! I don't know this coach's particular history like one of the posters above but if there is any truth to it, probably even a better reason why confronting the coach right after the game is a bad idea. I would guess md that his own son is mortified by his father's actions. So again tell me where my rule above was NOT a good idea?

Further, since Jordan has lost all but one game and in the championship game and winning games by large measure, their coaches must be playing the right players. Maybe not on every single unit but heck, I don't know if you could say a NFL coach could evaluate talent that well. But I suppose they are playing the best talent in their own eyes rather than just players who parents contributed money to the program, or else they would probably be 5-6 and well done before this opportunity.

Coaches are flawed yes but given the job to direct a program, they should evaluate these issues.

plyxply
SLC, UT

There has definitely been a dark cloud hanging over this Jordan program, and while the coach involved may not have been at fault in this incident, he has a long history of problems. Jordan's administration has been turning a blind eye to the behavior of this coach for several years and when something blows up they've left themselves wide open to legal action. Alta banned him from their program, as did Juan Diego, it's becoming obvious Jordan should've done the same thing long ago.

joseywales
Park City, UT

Is this coach the QB's dad? I'm just wondering.

CC
Saint George, UT

@md

I'm sure your perspective is your reality, however I think it is a pretty cheap shot at the the majority of coaches who are trying to do the best job they know how to do. I find your comments insulting and degrading to people who put forth an incredible amount of time for very little financial compensation. These are the same people I see attending mission farewells, wedding receptions, funerals, etc. They give of their time because they genuinely care about kids.

rvb
CLEARFIELD, UT

No opinion on the incident after the Jordan/Lone Peak game. I'm sure the facts will come out. However....

@md

"High school sports have so many political issues and biases from the coaches that the best players rarely are the ones who are playing."

What are these "political issues"? Health care? Immigration? War in Afghanistan? There is a term for coaches with biases who rarely play the best players: that term is "ex-coach". When a coaches job depends on winning, he/she probably puts the players on the field/court that will help ensure that they keep the job they love. If they lose this source of income, they will most certainly be forced to sell their plasma to make up the deficit and pay the rent.

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

re; MD You sound like a bitter parent.

I am a coach and have no doubt I am the reason that many a kid "did not win the Heisman"...just ask their parents.

Parents need to learn to let the kids earn what they get in regards to playing time. There are alot of talent athletes on any team.

Blood is thicker than water! Parents all believe their kid should be the MVP... guess what... one parent is right! The rest are wrong. I'm amazed by events like this because parents are unwilling to accept the reality of their kids abilities.

Coaches get fired, that's right fired, when they fail to have success on the field. Thus, coaches play the best kids based upon their system and goals for the program. Parents who think otherwise are foolish. I play kids who are not my favorites, have too!

Parents need to focus on being parents. Let coaches focus on coaching. If you don't like a coaches decissions 'go after their job' not them. I've accepted that there are two kinds of coaches. "Those that have been fired, and those that are going to be!"

Bored to the point of THIS!
Ogden, UT

@md

Really, sounds like you'd like to be one of the unbiased evaluators. That's an anrealistic thought. Coaches pick kids based upon their x's and o's, not who's kid they are. If kids can play they make the team, if they can't they don't. I've seen parents mad about their kid getting cut, when they didn't even make grades! The coach had no control.

1234512345
Draper, Utah

Coacn Randy is right. This coach has a reputation that dates back to little league and has continued into high school.

eagle
Provo, UT

Yes, the coach is the QB's father...

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

Sports would be more fun for everyone -- if fewer parents were involved.

amanap
Washington, ut

Amen Rational, parents have become terrible. Sad thing is it carries over into adult hood for the kid and they think they are entitled to something.

Pack
Layton, Utah

The happiest coaches are the ones who coach at an orphanage.

Old ball coach
Sandy, UT

Sad thing is....this is not the only incident involving this man.....

playwhereyoulive
SLC, UT

This story has a whole other side to it that is not being looked into. Stay tuned....

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