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Published: Friday, Nov. 9 2012 6:24 p.m. MST

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Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

How many "new" immigration bill need to be passed til the feds find one they'll actually enforce?

Implement e-verify (along with stiff penalties for non-compliance)and 95% of the problem would be solved at very low cost to taxpayers.

Americans need jobs FIRST.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

We need good responsible legislation but every bill the house passes should have attached to it a provision that revokes part of Obamacare. If they can't reject the whole thing, they can dismantle it piece by piece and if the democrats don't like it they can continue playing partisan politics and the whole country can go down the tube.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

There is nonsense in this article about the high-tech employers who want more visas. I've been in high-tech for twenty years. By the skin of my teeth I survived numerous high-tech bubbles and busts. Overstock has had a history of layoff - even recently - and now they want more foreign workers? In the late 90s and early part of the century, the USA allowed hundreds of thousands of foreign workers on visas, yet there was more than a 10% drop in the number of US citizens as the dot-com bubble burst.

When there is a need for workers, CEOs cry for more foreign workers. But the hiring phase will slow down, and US citizens will be looking for work again - but the USA will continue to bring in near 100 thousand foreign workers on visas - and US citizens will be forced out of technology careers and into something less.

Around 1999, about 20% of US workers in IT were on visas. Now it is close to 40%. Get my point?

The visas are not needed. CEOs simply want cheap, compliant, "de-facto" indentured servants on visas. That is their agenda - not a lack of workers.

Watch Dog
Provo, UT

The difference between Arizona's approach and Utah's approach to immigration is that AZ is attempting to enforce federal law, and Utah is thumbing their nose at the federal law. For example, granting instate tuition to illegal aliens (against federal law), having their own guest worker program (another violation of federal law), having their own E-Verify, this list goes on and on.

Heck, we have cops like Shurtleff and Burbank that refuse to enforce federal immigration laws. They argue that it is a federal responsibility, but they don't apply the same twisted logic to bank robbery, kidnapping, etc., etc., WHICH ALSO ARE federal laws - which they choose to enforce.

Apparently, they think they have some right to pick and choose which federal law to enforce, which simply is not so!

RRB
SLC, UT

Same old song and dance from the same people. There is already a path for visa workers/students to gain citizenship once they obtain a bachelor degree.

Romney didn't lose because of the Latino's, he lost because of the white vote in our Northeast and Northwest that never voted for him.

Will the press blame Latino's if Obama messes up?

RRB
SLC, UT

Latino's have never voted for a Republican president.
1980/Reagan) 35%
1984 (Reagan)37%
1988 (Bush) 30%
1992 (Bush) 25%
1996 (Dole) 21%
2000 (Bush) 35%
2004 (Bush) 40%
2008 (McCain) 31%
2012 (Romney) 27%
Average 31% vote Republican

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

So what is the urgency to encourage foreign natioanls to invade the United States and hand them $60,000 of our tax funds when the cross the border illegally? Why is out presidnet so eager to make a 3rd offer of Amenesty when the illegal aliens rejected the firts two offers under Reagan and Bush?

The only reason to encourage invasion and occupation by foreign nationals is to oppress the American and keep them in poverty with cheap labor and $60,000/yr federal funding for illegal aliens. The Mexican population are proponents of socialism and encourage our president in his quest for absolute Marxist powers in the next year. Mexican nationals are the presidents chosen to destroy the United States and its Constitutional government.

This urgency to destroy america is an act of treason and declartion of war on the United States and justification for impeacing the president, vice president, and the czars or the white house.

wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

"The visas are not needed. CEOs simply want cheap, compliant, "de-facto" indentured servants on visas. That is their agenda - not a lack of workers."

Utes Fan, you are 100% right. It really is that simple.

hubbardesquire
Alabaster, Alabama

So, the chamber wants to repeat the same mistake McCain made in 2008. McCain wanted to give amnesty to illegals but, he still did not win the election. You chamber-types need to hear this message again -- NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS!!

DavidNichols
Gilbert, AZ

Since the January 2008 start of the E-verify *Attrition) Law,the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs, America has Faltered, it has Crashed Economically, and Divided Racially.

Every Stimulus, Bail Out, Cash for Clunkers, Mortgage Program, ect. have come since January 2008 as a Direct Result of "CHOOSING THE WRONG"and Ripping apart good Christian Families, even Deporting Parents away from their Legal Citizen Children!
It has only been Treating the Symptoms!

Fact: THe Hard Labor Immigrants gladly did FOR America was the very Foundation of our Strong Economy, and the twenty-five year period prior to January 2008 was in fact "The Most Prosperous time in Total U.S. History.

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
Alex De Tocqueville, a very wise 1840's French Historian.

This is our I.C.E.'d Economy.

I.C.E. "Put the Car in the Ditch."

C.T.R?????

To: Good, and Brotherhood, from Sea to shining Sea?

ArizonaRed
Prescott Valley, AZ

Thing is, JSB, it is a big part of their plan in the Obama administration is to collapse our economy so that the feds can take over thus taking more control from the private sector......or pick the people THEY want to run them. Notice there was never any 'big picture' plan from the left? I've always disagreed with the republican party's immigration policies....in part. For security reasons we must secure the border. Then a conditional amnesty. Deport those felons who have committed murder, rape, or other serious offenses. Register those here illegally, give them a social security number so they start paying all taxes immediately, have a probationary period to where they can pay off their fine for entering the country illegally after which they will become full fledged American citizens. I understand that not all that are here illegally have jobs. But it is far better to have those that are here that have jobs paying into the system which they are using such as health care, welfare, ect ect.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

If you still think that Mark the AG is representing Utah citizens in any way whatsoever, then you're both sadly and totally mistaken, but also woefully naive. He has been working hard for Barack, the cheap-labor lobby, and Mark himself . . . but certainly not the citizens of Utah. The ongoing invasion is one of the elements that keeps dangerous people in power, and simultaneously destroys opportunities and the livelihoods of our actual citizens. It truly is "the other end of the stick," and there's nothing about what's been happening that's either fair or beneficial for those who live and work here, and pay taxes. The "free" lunch is costing the rest of us dearly, and "immigration reform" (i.e., amnesty for invaders) isn't going to help anyone but those who are gaming us continually.

DavidNichols
Gilbert, AZ

"Election hastens urgency of Immigration reform."

Listen all ye "Saints".

Since January 2008 and the start of the I.C.E. Mass Deportation/Incarceration Programs:

Over Five Thousand Legal Hispanic Children are now Parentless, and in U.S. Foster Care.
Over Thirteen Thousand non-criminal Hispanic Immigrants have been Incarcerated for years with out even charges.
Over One Hundred non-criminal Hispanic Human Beings have Died in I.C.E. Custody.
Over Forty-two Thousand Deported Hispanic Human Beings now lay Dead at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where I.C.E. has Deported/Dumped Hundreds of Thousands of Human Beings into a "known Drug War" with nothing, not even water, to be Killed, or to Die of the elements.

I sure am glad that Losing an "Election hastens the urgency of Immigration reform."

This is America's Darkest Hour!

This great Nation of Immigrants was Built on Far Better Principles and Values than to Rip apart Good Christian Families, and to Deport, or Incarcerate Parents away fron their Legal Citizen Children!

We can't figure out why are Nation is Falling, and "What Wrong Road we are on?"

Choose The Right?

To: Good in America.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back of the line.

That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people. I am in favor of simplifying and fixing legal immigration.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

@Utes Fan
I have watched it happen. Big companies lay off the IT staff and hire "consultants" from India. They bring in a couple of guys at half what our own people were making (and no benefits, to boot). The "consultants" here are systems guys who spec out the projects and the work is done in India.
There are plenty of errors and delays but no one cares because they no longer have an IT staff payroll.
Engineers have the same problem. When was the last time you saw a consumer product (appliance, TV, computer...) made in the USA. Even the so-called "American brands" are made overseas. They've got salesmen here and that's about it. With repair labor at $75/hour nothing is worth repairing any longer.
All those were once jobs in the USA. You don't have an economy without the full spectrum of jobs tied to consumer product manufacturing.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

OK. We give up. Take the country.
Are all you Utah Compact people happy now?
Last one out bring the flag.

prelax
Murray, UT

We gave out 3.3 million work visas last year. I can post the numbers and names of the visas. Other companies in competition with Overstock use Americans to fill these positions. It might cost a few dollars more an hour for someone with 20 years experience, but it makes our country stronger.

Our birthrate is right where it's always been the past hundred years. Once the economy improves it will go back to where it's suppose to be. Then we replace our own population.

We had 100 million in 1920, by 1970 we have 200 million, by 2000 we had 300 million. Most of the growth came from immigration. Business does not want replacement growth, they want a surplus labor bubble. 23 million Americans are looking for full time jobs. Let's take care of them before we talk more visas. 4.3 million green cards and work visas are out of place in this economy.

jim l
West Jordan, UT

The world ( demos and repubs) are moving to the left. People with values are being left behind to stand alone. LIke when they cheered here at the democratic party tues night when a few states passed laws to ok gay marriage and smoking dope. the world is changing and not for the better.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

A a small businessman and conservative I have to say the Chamber is loose again. What they are in support of is cheap labor. Shurtleff has adopted mexican children so he is somewhat jaded. Democrats want permanent votes. Why the hispanics vote for Dems is plain and simple. Government handouts. They saw the one and only Obama Claus. Free Stuff. When the GOP can out give the Dems then Hispnics will vote for them. Until then only the Hispanics who are informed will vote for Rep. The huge majority of Hispanics come here uneducated, unskilled and already convinced that Government is where the goodies are. Matter of fact Obama had commercials on Mexican radio stations in Mexico telling them how to get welfare once they were here. Look it up.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Keep it up tea partiers. Keep on talking trash about a growing segment of the population. Of course everyone likes to be stereotyped as a lazy, filthy moocher just because of their place of origin or race, so you're scoring points left and right.

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