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Published: Thursday, Nov. 8 2012 6:00 p.m. MST

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mesa, AZ
Slouching towards Gomorrah indeed when a society seeks to assuage guilt in the name of political correctness. These are the times when men call good evil and evil good.

6:52 a.m. Nov. 9, 2012


Like starting wars for oil as being "good"?
Like shunning the poor, sick, needy and elderly is "good"?
Like taxing people, and giving that money to WallStreet and Corporations who don't pay any taxes is "good"?

Meanwhile -
Back on topic....

I got Married for LOVE,
I married my best FRIEND,
not just for SEX.

Why do Conservaitves always confuse that - and think someone marries just for sex, and not for love or friendship?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Conservatives --

Aren't these the same folks who keep insisting that:

the Federal Government can't tell States what to do?
that Government shouldn't be involved in people's private lives?
that Freedom needs to be protected and not taken away?

and yet....

Millcreek, UT

What is traditional marriage? According to the Bible in Duteronomy Chapter 22 verses 28-29(KJV)
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Yep, rape a virgin, pay off her dad and then you marry her. Good old traditional family values....

Huntsville, UT

Why not legislate all of your religious tenets then? Prevent divorce. Prevent divorced people from re-marrying. Ban the eating of shellfish (sorry Red Lobster). Ban cotton/poly blends.
I don't care what your god says. You don't care what my god says. Lets not force one another to live the other's beliefs (btw: tolerating gays marrying isn't being forced to live their beliefs).
When you claim to "love" someone and then deny them the same benefits you posess, you are lying.
@aunt lucy;
If you believe something, live it yourself. Jesus also said to do unto others as you would have them do to you. Do you want other people voting on your marriage?

@very concerned;
You're listening to the wrong voices in your head; your prophets aren't speaking for god, they're pushing their own agendas.

@Paul in MD;
You're right. A better word is bigot. If you don't approve of same sex couples marrying, then you shouldn't marry someone of your own gender; you have no business telling any other couple who they may or may not marry regardless of what you personally believe.

Ogden, UT

"Princeton professor Robbie George, a high-profile traditional marriage advocate and a member of the Deseret News editorial advisory board."

Good grief, why am I not surprised?

Ogden, UT

Opponents of same-sex marriage or same-sex rights are going to find themselves on the losing side of history, much as civil rights opponents already have. Polls are showing that a majority of Americans do not oppose same sex marriage; the reason bans usually get passed by referendum is due to poor voter turnout. So you are not in the majority, you just show up in greater numbers to vote on this issue.

I have yet to hear a cogent and logically consistent argument about why same-sex marriage is harmful to society or in any way threatens your own family & religious practices. If same-sex proponents move on to insist that LDS temple marriages be granted to them, I will fully support your opposition to that. But they are simply fighting for equality under civil law.

Deep Space 9, Ut

To "RanchHand" unfortunately your scriptural reference to you sounds like the Republican party, but in fact is a result of liberalism. If you look at reality and see which political philosophy is espoused by people who personally care for the poor, you would find that Conservatives are more likely give then liberals.

To "LDS Liberal" lets dispell your lie today.

Lets remember what Obama has done for us. He started a revolution in Egypt, joined Al Qaeda in Libya, and is now using another terrorist group to send weapons to rebels in Syria who want to impose Sharia Law.

Rather than consider words about the poor, sick, and needy, lets see what Obama has done. According to Forbes "How Obamacare's $716 Billion in Cuts Will Drive Doctors Out of Medicare" our elderly will have fewer doctors to help them. Various studies have found that the Recession has hit the poor the hardest, and Obama's policies have not added many jobs. We can also talk about the poor response to Sandy.

Lets see, taxing people and giving money to businesses, like GE, the Obama darling that paid no taxes or what are you talking about?

Sasha Pachev
Provo, UT

I think it is wrong to assume that a man is either straight or gay by nature. Through various social influence he can be persuaded to go either way. It is true that some due to their nature are more easily persuaded to go one way or the other. With that in mind I would argue that any measure that promotes homosexuality or makes it more acceptable will result in more homosexual relationships which in turn will result in those people not having children of their own. Thus, such laws are a threat to the traditional institution of marriage which is as crucial to our existence as a healthy functioning cell to the body.

Seemingly small modifications of critical infrastructure can have dire consequences. This can be appreciated by a chess player. A less skilled player may think that moving a pawn somewhere in the rears of his position makes no difference. His more experience opponent will observe that moving that pawn removes the protection from a critical square and use that weakness to launch a devastating attack resulting in a checkmate.

Unfortunately we are too impatient to think of the infrastructure.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

"...will result in more homosexual relationships which in turn will result in those people not having children of their own. Thus, such laws are a threat to the traditional institution of marriage which is as crucial to our existence as a healthy functioning cell to the body."

Oh Sasha,

Gays are having children. Surprise! They are also raising some children tossed out from unwanted homes. They adopt, have invetro fertilization, use surragate mothers and live lives not unlike most parents.

Without the stablization of marriage, these children do not have the same benefits that a child with parents who are married have. Is that what you are looking for? One would think that you would want to offer the very best that we can for these children.

AND it does not take a marriage to create a child.

Those gays who will not have children just want the same type of marriage that older couples who cannot have children have or infertile couples. Oh, why that is just the same marriage as those who can have children.

It's called equality. Why aren't all Americans for this?

Salt Lake City, Utah

I find those that argue that we should accept the very relativistic reasoning of their particular religious interpretations over scientific evidence to make our decisions rather short sighted.

Salt Lake City, UT

@Sasha Pachev
"With that in mind I would argue that any measure that promotes homosexuality or makes it more acceptable will result in more homosexual relationships which in turn will result in those people not having children of their own. "

I think the thing you're all missing is that... gay people are gay. They're not going to have kids anyway since the way to do that would be an unhealthy heterosexual marriage. In fact gay marriage makes it more likely that gay people would consider having kids through routes like in-vitro fertilization.

MiddleofNowhere, Utah

@ LDS Liberal and any other LDS member,

"Never leave your religion at the door." - Jeffery R. Holland

If you advocate sin, which gay marriage is defined as a sin within your religious belief system, than you are leaving your religion at the door. You are rationalizing away your faith. I don't understand how you can live in a state of cognitive dissonance like that. Where you claim to believe something on Sunday and then go out and support an opposing view on Monday.

It is one or the other, it can't be both. "No man can serve two masters." Matt. 6:24

Huntsville, UT

@Sasha Pachev;

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling..."

Mesa, AZ


"Yep, rape a virgin, pay off her dad and then you marry her. Good old traditional family values...."

Actually it was a pretty good system. A man takes a woman’s virginity he pays restitution to the father, has to marry the girl and can never divorce her. It was very rare to see an unwed mother back then. Now contrast it to today where a man takes a woman’s virginity leaves her she gets pregnant and has to raise the child on her own or aborts it. The man gets off scot free not to mention that the woman is now used merchandise to another man who desires to marry her. Our civilization is not so enlightened as we think it is. Oh and if you had sex with a woman that was engaged to another man, you were executed. It sort of made guys think twice before doing the nasty.

newhall, CA

You know, there are more pressing issues facing this nation than same sex marriage. Let them have it and let's move on with the economy, security, immigration (deport all illegals), ban all gun control legislation; demand obama prove he is eligible to be president (unseal your school records); furnish a real birth certificate; come clean with Fast & Furious and Benghazi. But hey, same-sex marriage. Let's move on. This is getting to be old, stagnant and frankly a diversion to what needs to be done in this country.

spring street

@paul in MD
Considering that your first post starts out with you making claims that others are calling you homophobic it seems like your intention is to try to shut down any disagreement with your arguments.

Huntsville, AL

Not unexpected. The whole nation is soon to be fairly ripe in iniquity. We can't wait to get there...and fast. The nation, as a whole, has rejected God and cannot wait to get the name of God off all documents. Take God's name off the currency, out of the schools, out of the hearts of people, out of the documents of government, and out of the minds of all. The only exception here would be "Allah". That would be perfectly fine in the eyes of the mess to come. Even among LDS I am shocked at how it is all going down. Even at BYU I saw Obama support signs. This president thinks gay marriage is good. In other words good = evil.

Kearns, UT

A few thoughts on the topic:

On the right of my computer screen, in a text box labeled "What You May Have Missed" is a link to another article tilted "Marriage promotes longevity, study finds." The main idea of the article is that couples who are in loving marriage relationships live longer than people who aren't married. When I see these two articles side by side on the Deseret News website, I can't help but come to a sad conclusion that the Deseret News editorial board actually wants our gay and lesbian family, friends, and neighbors to die at an earlier age than our straight counterparts.

I cringe every time I read someone telling gay couples they are being selfish for wanting to marry and raise children. They are chastised for only thinking of themselves, and in the same breath--or keystroke--the straight couples are commended for their righteous desires to have those same family relationships. It doesn't make sense to me.

Kearns, UT


Finally, we are constantly reminded about how gays and lesbians are leading us quickly to a godless society. Quite frankly, from what I have seen, they aren't leading us anywhere, but it's the self-proclaimed "righteous" who have pushed these wonderful, caring, and spiritual people out of their congregations. I don't know of many people who stick around in a church that constantly reminds them that they are sinners and less worthy than everyone else.

So many of the comments on here remind me of a story in the scriptures about a group of people who cast out the people who they felt were not as worthy as the rest. They then prayed to their God, thanking him for making them better than the rest. What do you suppose the lessons we should learn from that story are?

Mesa, AZ


I am familiar with the scripture you are referring to. It is in the BOM. You must be LDS or are familiar with the BOM. I am going to assume you are LDS so you support the idea that apostles are servants of Jesus Christ. Read the first chapter of Romans which was written by the Apostle Paul to the Saints in Rome. He was a citizen of Rome himself so he knew about the practices that were prevalent. He admonished the Saints to remain true to the gospel lest they be led to unnatural desires.

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