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Mining company blames Obama for its 102 Utah lay offs

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  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    SS and Patriot, you'd better look again. % of electricity generation with coal is down, natural gas is up (they are at about the same % of generation currently), natural gas prices are lower than coal for the same BTU's, and exports of coal are way up to overseas markets. Murray is simply throwing a temper tantrum- there are plenty of places willing to buy his coal, just fewer locally or regionally.

    September 13, 2012: "Coal is in a struggle with a perfect adversary: ultracheap natural gas. With all the shale reserves unlocked by fracking, gas prices have steadily declined since mid-2008, to the point where they're hovering around $2 per million British thermal units for the first time in a decade. That's lower than coal prices." -San Francisco Chronicle

    October 19, 2012: "In August 2012, coal produced 39% of U.S. electricity..." -U.S. Energy Information Administration

    September 13, 2012: "Overseas customers are materializing, too: U.S. coal exports rose 57 percent from 2009 through the end of 2011." -San Francisco Chronicle

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    Murray Energy. Let us all remember that this is the same guy who denied that his mine collapse was due to lax safety measures, and tried to blame it on a non-existent earthquake.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Americans won't listen to Bob Murray on the subject, nor should they. Why he is not sitting in a jail cell right now but the activist who bogusly bid on the BLM parcels is, speaks to us as a country. We have lost to will to be morally strong and we value the dollar more than the sense.

  • digger173 PRICE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    While the blame game continues, the reality bite is there is no more coal at West Ridge, or virtually anywhere in Carbon County.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Want to read something absolutely nauseating?

    The Tribune printed a copy of a "prayer" written by Mr. Murray.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    @ corn dog

    there are exceptions to every rule and the company you mention at least seems to be doing some positive things unfortunately mr. murray hasn't operated that way.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:35 p.m.

    @patriot
    Sometime being short sighted like this owner was also has consequences. to bad his workers are the ones made to suffer.

  • joy Logan, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:23 p.m.

    Agree with Patriot!

    It's just the beginning. You can demonize the coal mines but when your job is on the line who will you blame?
    Because it is on the line? Doesn't matter what you do because the Obama people will smother you into submission
    until there will be little choice in your life.
    Give it a year people and let me see what your comments will be.

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:07 p.m.

    How about the oil problem. What is Obama doing about that. He gave 90 Billion dollars of our tax money to the environmentalists, shut down the keystone pipeline construction from Canada that would have produced as much oil as we buy from his friend in Venezuela. It would greatly reduce the cost of gas. It gets a little tiresome hearing the Obama supporters trying to rationalize the destruction of our country so Obama can get the votes he needs to stay in office.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    re:LDS Liberal

    42% of America's electric power comes from coal fired plants such as IPP Power in Delta. That translates to power for your IPAD and everything else in your home! Now - with your calculator punch in the GIGANTIC increase in your electric bill soon to come due to the decrease in supply. Simple economics. One more thing... Obama's war on coal isn't a long term transitional thing either... it is a do it now mandate. Do you have any idea how many windmills or solar panels it will take to replace ONE coal fired plant like IPP??? Here is a hint - Utah isn't big enough to hold all the equipment.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    I can't believe the ignorance in some of these comments. Coal fired power plants account for almost 50% of the electricity produced in the United States. 50%!! It's not like you can burn coal one day and then turn around and say today this is going to be a natural gas plant. That's not how it works. You don't understand what it takes to convert from one energy to another, especially with an energy resource that accounts for 50% of our electricity. And for Obama to place regulations on power plants that bankrupt them, as he is specifically quoted for saying, is wrong. It is his fault that this is happening and it will only continue to get worse. You can't make a switch like that over night and not have consequences.

    Also for those saying that you can't eat fish in Utah, been doing it my whole life, you are paranoid.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    this is a sad tale that is going to be playing out over and over and over all over this country thanks to Obama. I am sad for the good Utah folks who don't deserve this. As for the Ohio and Pennsylvania Obama crowd ... I could care less. Let Obama find em a new government job! Sometimes elections have consequences.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    I'm sure the Whaling Captains and Candle makers of the late 19th Century blamed Pres. Abraham Lincoln for their economic situation to avoid their crews from mutiny and walking the plank!

    Same schtick - different day.

  • Corn Dog New York, NY
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    @rick122948

    "We have lots of coal, but unfortunately the companies that own it/mine it are as they have been for generations short sighted. They have never shown great concern for their workers, but when regulations are put in place to require safe working conditions in an already dangerous job the companies scream foul."

    Not every coal company is like that. You should familiarize with Alpha Natural Resources.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    Sorry, Mr Murray.

    Those nasty "safety violations" resulted in how many people dying in your Crandal Canyon mine?
    Those nasty "clean air" requirements will save how many Utah residents' lives?

    You can cry all you want, Mr Murray. But your mines are the most unsafe, and you are supporting old energy that results in mercury poisoning of our lakes and streams. When we can't eat fish caught in Utah, what does that say about coal for energy?

    Natural gas!

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    coal is the dirty fuel at any cost. it is carbon. when burned mercury is air born and most ends in the oceans. mercury is poison. 70 % of oxygen come from plankten in the oceans. if plankton dies , we all die. if scrubers are not used at coal plants the need to close. the life of a planet is worth more then cheep power.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    Brace yourselves everyone. We're going right back to the Great Recession. Save every penny you have and get out of debt. Obama will never pull us out. More and more companies will be laying off their work force. Thousands of small business will close over health care costs and strong government regulation.

    I'm very excited to pay for Obama's friends to get healthcare! I hope he uses some of my money to cover Medicaid for my parents.

  • benchwarmer ,
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    Shame on you Mr. Murray!! I would venture to say that this is nothing more than a mean-spirited way to make a "statement" by forcing these good people who work hard for you in dangerous conditions to suffer more without jobs at all! Natural gas (which I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that you have invested heavily in...) is what is putting the market squeeze on coal. You are being disingenuous and there are those of us who are on to you. How about giving these people jobs in your natural gas facilities, or talking to your colleagues in that business and helping them find jobs through the network? No, you'd rather watch them suffer, perhaps lose their homes, have difficulty feeding their kids, paying their utility bills while you make your "statement". Shame on you.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    "Impossible regulations" = the regulations I plan to ignore in order to bump my bottom line a little more. Do they pertain to clean air or safety? It doesn't matter. I'M calling them "impossible" and that's that. Haven't those people seen the TV commercials for "clean coal"?

  • cns St George, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    The reason given by Murray for laying-off miners is clearly nonsense.
    While the future for coal mining under Obama might be glum, the reality today of the economics of coal mining is unchanged from what it was on 5 November.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    We have lots of coal, but unfortunately the companies that own it/mine it are as they have been for generations short sighted. They have never shown great concern for their workers, but when regulations are put in place to require safe working conditions in an already dangerous job the companies scream foul. Use the technology to turn coal into a fuel for transportation and maybe the demand comes back.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    Since Murray doesn't believe is following safety regulations and blames mine collapses on non-existent earthquakes, laying these people off might have saved their lives.

  • The Authority Richfield, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    Fact: Natural Gas is far more expensive than coal. Three times as expensive.
    Fact: Even though new coal technologies have been introduced that are far more environmentally friendly than the dinosaurs of the past, the industry has been unfairly demonized so that it's impossible to build new coal power plants. The fear of coal is irrational.
    Fact: Coal would be better off without Bob Murray. This was a political statement made at the cost of more than 100 families. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    @goodDr got it right

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Nub, you seriously need to do some real research.

    Just Google: cost of electricity vs coal and see what you find.

  • NubliusPublius SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    UTAH Bill, where in the world did you get the idea that natural gas is cheaper than coal? Ask someone at Rocky Mountain Power which fuel is cheaper. Electricity costs 3x as much to produce with natural gas as it does with coal. Natural gas only becomes cheaper than coal when you burden coal with impossible regulations. How's that for a fair tax on the poor?!

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:41 a.m.

    AH! it is our old friend Mr Murray, the same gentleman who owned the Crandall coal mine. This was the mine where we lost coal miners in a cave in, the same mine that had a lot of saftey violations. Was this press release issued from a jail cell? It should have been.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    So know its the governments fault that this business has failed to adapt to a changing market? other energy companies have wisely invested the money they have made off of these old and decreasing technologies to adapt to the changing market and the challenges it presents. The companies that are learning to adapt are still posting record profits while those that failed to evolve are disappearing. its just to bad its this companies workers that are made to suffer from the owners lack of foresight.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    So when a company succeeds its because they did it on their own and no one helped them but when it fails its the governments fault? thanks I think I get it know.

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    The price of natural gas is killing coal. It's simple market dynamics. Why should power plants use coal when natural gas is so much cheaper?

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    And so it begins....the market down 4% (over 400 billion dollars!!) and people being sent packing. Just wait until osamacare hits businesses. More part time employees with less money to spend. Thank you liberals.