re: LDS Liberal & one old manIt seems to me that the GOP is a
strange amalgam of Rich (1%) White Ivy League Country Club types, Sarah Palin
tea partier, & Nascar dads. If that remains then they deserve to
get thumped every 4 yrs.
@JimInSlc"...Romney won the popular vote by over a million
votes...".As reported @ 12:15 pm 11/8/12:President
Obama has received 60,782,354 votes.romney has received 57,884,882
votes.romney lost by 2,897,472 votes.
If each state divided its electoral college votes based on the percentage of
votes each candidate received, Mitt Romney would have won the election. The
talking heads on liberal news stations saying Obama won by a landslide overlook
the fact that Romney won the popular vote by over a million votes. The winner
take all policy of the electoral college, and the shifting demographics of the
US population, the republican party may never have another president elected.
When the economy fails, "I told you so", is not going to be much
@worfDid you serve in Vietnam with him, too?
Cont, Romney promised jobs making $20k-$30k/yr minus the taxes, it
cannot compete with a job as welfare dependent making $50/yr tax free. We have a
nation brainwashed to think they are prosperous with a job making %50K/yr and
paying taxes. We as a nation are being duped into forced debt to live like we
are making $250,000/yr middle income americans. This is not a sustainable
economy with inflationary cost of living and why our depression is getting
worse. The Republicans caused economic failure and outsourced jobs and industry
and manufacturing, Obama is taking advantage of that knowledge using extreme
Marxist actions and ideals of socialism to counter it.Welfare
"is" our industry and inflation by debt and borrowing is our financial
system. The 80%+ on meager incomes cannot sustain this kind of economy or
government.Obama controls the welfare system and Republicans control
jobs and wages and independent self sufficient workers making lots of money. If
Romney promised it to them then they would have tossed Obama to the pile of has
Hopefully, Repubs will learn something.But I doubt it.However the fact that Romney lost both his "home" states of
Massachusetts and Michigan, and that Ryan lost his, speaks volumes. The people
who knew them best couldn't support either of them.Very
Republicans, even after suffering a slight beating, do not have enough humility
to ever think that a differing opinion could be right. Until they open up to a
more moderate POV, they will lose followers.Perhaps if they ended
their intransigence in Congress, modified attitudes toward the 99% of the
country who are not filthy rich, and encouraged their wealthy donors to start
investing in America and Americans again (ye, paying a little more tax at the
same rate as a few years ago is part of that,) more of us would respect and
listen to them.
An interesting thing overlooked by Romney supporters in Utah. As governor of
Massachusetts, the people there had a chance to see first-hand his management
style. He did not run for re-election there because he knew that he would lose
big (just as he did last night). Romney was born and raised in Michigan, and he
has homes in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and California. Add those to
Ryan's home state of Wisconsin, and you have 5 states and they lost them
all a total of millions of votes. That says something, when the people who
know you best will not vote for you.
I say let them go...We can wave bye-bye to them as they fizzle away
procuradorfiscalIt would be nice if the republican party would offer a
real choice instead of the failed empty rhetoric they have offered over the past
several years, but if the posts on these threads are any indication, I will not
hold my breath.
So, what do we know? Mitt is indeed not the white horse prophecy come to
Re: ". . . time for soul-searching . . . ."Yeah -- are
Republicans going to offer Americans a real choice, or just homgenize themselves
into the Democrat Party?
Look at Romney. He was what the Dems loved. Look at his record in MA.
Socialized medicine, for a DREAM ACT deal, for other social programs, etc. He
was nearly a Democrat in disguise. In fact, many people were saying, "When
Romney gets elected we'll see him really become a conservative...because
for now he's being like this get elected." So, no on saw him as a
strong Republican candidate. We would have been better off with Newt Gingrich.
No doubt the GOP is stale and that is why I am a Constitution Party member.
Although, the possibility of this nation being a great capitalist nation does
@worfSo Romney is a victim? that doe snot speak well of what you
think of your old college mate does it?
Romney had taken the GOP far enough to the left. You heard him in the debates
talking about the need for some regulation and a strong social safety net.You heard him talk about some sort of DREAM Act.He tried hard to be
everything to everyone.And the conservatives at least voted for him for
lack of an alternative.At some point you learn that you cannot outbid the
democrats. Perhaps we have reached the point where people vote themselves a
raise. Despite the rhetoric, more people think Medicare is safe with Obama.
Time will tell.
Obama has been successful with demonizing Romney, and the people suckered for
it.I knew Mitt in 1965 while at Stanford, and I can tell you,
he's not the villian the press made him out to be. We the people are at a
loss, and missed a golden chance to fix the country.Hope I'm
wrong, but our country won't be recogizable when the next election rolls